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Lamebot posted:So one thing that sticks out and bothers me: How did Shadis get Grisha into the walls without anyone finding out? Every way he had to go back in was operated by the garrison. The only thing that comes close to explaining this is there's a general order to take in people found outside the walls and don't make news of it. Otherwise Grisha should have been detained by kenny & co. Grisha was put in jail, a drunk Hannes and Shadis decide not to report it to the higher ups.
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mightygerm posted:They cut the part about Zeke's spinal fluid in the anime. I've seen a lot of anime-onlys think that Zeke only needs to scream to turn Eldians into Titans. i don't think it was cut, it just hasn't been shown yet. Also for other people, don't post clarifications in the anime-only thread! People tend to forget what is a spoiler and what isn't, and the anime may do things out of order from the manga (like Ymir's backstory). but I trust you mightygerm
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# ? Feb 15, 2021 18:16 |
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What's the strongest evidence that Historia reciprocated Ymir's feelings? They spent a lot of time together but Historia never seemed to treat her any differently than she did anyone else. Even reading that last letter Historia's response is a tear and an oh you... Running after Ymir and being willing to sacrifice herself would be notable, but she does the same thing for Eren and at that point their only shown one on one interaction is a single conversation.
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# ? Feb 15, 2021 18:29 |
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Flesnolk posted:Probably for subtlety’s sake, make her a little less cartoonishly greedy. That's just the thing, i loved how unsubtle and cartoonish it was. Oh well
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# ? Feb 15, 2021 19:33 |
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Ah it's been a while since AoT made me laugh so hard: https://i.imgur.com/M3Pqgaq.mp4 And a version w/o subtitles if you want: https://i.imgur.com/PuSwmwI.mp4 I wish this site could embed mp4 within spoiler tags.
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# ? Feb 15, 2021 23:59 |
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bees x1000 posted:What's the strongest evidence that Historia reciprocated Ymir's feelings? They spent a lot of time together but Historia never seemed to treat her any differently than she did anyone else. Even reading that last letter Historia's response is a tear and an oh you... Running after Ymir and being willing to sacrifice herself would be notable, but she does the same thing for Eren and at that point their only shown one on one interaction is a single conversation. bwuhhh...?
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 01:43 |
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Eej posted:bwuhhh...? Whose memories are these? (Seriously, though, Historia and Eren kinda knew each other for years, even if they never talked much, and then they spent the whole uprising arc in close proximity. Then after that, what we see suggests they spent a lot of time together whenever they had a chance. If Historia and Ymir's relationship is similar to her and Eren, and I see little reason to doubt that, it was very much a two way street,)
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 02:33 |
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That's reasonable.
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 02:48 |
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Ymir was obviously very important to Historia but there's never any indication she reciprocated it romantically - to the contrary, it seems she never even realized that Ymir's affection was of that type until she was already gone.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Ymir was obviously very important to Historia but there's never any indication she reciprocated it romantically - to the contrary, it seems she never even realized that Ymir's affection was of that type until she was already gone. I've seen suggestions that Isayama confirmed the relationship in interviews, but I haven't been able to confirm that one either way. What I have managed to confirm is that the VAs have confirmed it, and Historia's reaction to Ymir's letter ending with "my one regret is that I couldn't marry you" isn't "Oh, that's how you felt", but "Yep, that's Ymir alright." Also, you know. You have their songs in the anime. "Call your name" and "Zero Eclipse" aren't anthems for a platonic friendship. (Of course, looking at the early drafts, it's pretty interesting how the Historia and Eren relationship was almost set up all the way back in chapter 4. It suggest that, despite Isayama's extensive planning, that Ymir and Krista's romance arose out of the story as it was being written. No wonder Ymir was his favorite character for a while.)
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 03:38 |
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Conspiratiorist posted:Ymir was obviously very important to Historia but there's never any indication she reciprocated it romantically - to the contrary, it seems she never even realized that Ymir's affection was of that type until she was already gone. Ymir said that she wanted to marry Historia in like her first scene on screen. Also Historia's little speech about being able to do anything and not being afraid when Ymir was with her is pretty obvious.
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 03:45 |
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chiasaur11 posted:I've seen suggestions that Isayama confirmed the relationship in interviews, but I haven't been able to confirm that one either way. It's broken telephone; during a 2014 German interview, anime producer George Wada was asked about the Ymir and Historia relationship, to which he replied "I'll leave that to your imagination", which in English got reported as a confirmative "it is what you think", which was then furthermore attributed to Isayama rather than Wada.
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 04:14 |
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chiasaur11 posted:Whose memories are these? The whole thought of ErenxHistoria flat out loving sucks and its the worst part of this whole stupidass manga and I hate it. Poor Ymir, man.
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 04:26 |
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She had to get out of the way so Eren could lay the pipe.
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 04:35 |
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I've been meaning to reread the series since I got that Humble Bundle deal with most of the volumes, but I never got the sense that Eren and Historia had a thing so much as they were both resigned to whatever relationship they do have, for different reasons.
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 04:37 |
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:I've been meaning to reread the series since I got that Humble Bundle deal with most of the volumes, but I never got the sense that Eren and Historia had a thing so much as they were both resigned to whatever relationship they do have, for different reasons. AoT doesn't really dwell on romance; it's even a running gag that the entire 104th calls Krista a goddess and/or wants to marry her, and only on the last few chapters of Ymir's time in the story does it land that hers were genuine. Eren and Historia certainly bonded during the Coup arc, but if anything romantic developed (signs point to something being there, but jury's still out after all) it wouldn't have really happened until the largely offscreen timeskip. We do have some side materials set in the period indicating that Eren became a regular presence at the farm, and that Historia thought the world of him before even the disclosure of (and Eren's opposition to) the plan to have her inherit the Beast to control the Rumbling, but piecing together Eren's mindspace leading up to the Rumbling continues to be one of the mysteries of the series, and the exact nature of his relationship with Historia is part of it. Conspiratiorist fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Feb 16, 2021 |
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What are these side materials?
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 05:03 |
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If kissing Historias hand broke Eren’s brain sex would probably destroy him. I’m team farmer
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 05:06 |
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bees x1000 posted:What are these side materials? https://sapewloth.tumblr.com/post/177371413898/shingeki-no-kyojin-smartpass-au-some-stories-of It's one in the series of short stories penned by Isayama.
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 05:16 |
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Eren can touch Historia without triggering flashbacks. There's the scene where she frees him from the chains in the cavern beneath the Reiss chapel and ends up holding onto him for dear life when Rod transforms, or Jean's comment about Eren and Historia spending time holding each other's hands without effect.
In It For The Tank fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Feb 16, 2021 |
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Historia can't have feelings for Ymir and also develop feelings for Eren years later, after all. Since bisexual people don't exist.
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 05:39 |
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Pootybutt posted:The whole thought of ErenxHistoria flat out loving sucks and its the worst part of this whole stupidass manga and I hate it. Poor Ymir, man. Yeah I admit I have literally zero emotional investment in that pairing. It feels forced and lame.
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 05:42 |
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The last episode of the anime exists solely to point out that any relationship Historia has at this point is inherently "forced." To the point where the onlookers (MP guards, hell the readers even) doubt the legitimacy behind the story for her pregnancy. But with what other people have mentioned about Eren/Historia being close since before this, possibly off-screen, it doesn't seem that farfetched that both of the genocide duo would grow closer via their shared resentment of both the world and their parents for saddling each of them with such heavy burdens. Maybe Historia really is the worst girl who ever lived.
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 06:13 |
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Not Keyser Soze posted:Historia can't have feelings for Ymir and also develop feelings for Eren years later, after all. Since bisexual people don't exist.
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 06:19 |
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Not Keyser Soze posted:Historia can't have feelings for Ymir and also develop feelings for Eren years later, after all. Since bisexual people don't exist. The context is disgusting even if she were explicitly bi.
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 06:28 |
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I'm not sure Eren and Historia have romantic feelings for each other; they could just have a strong platonic bond. This wouldn't necessarily disprove the "Eren as babydaddy" theory, either - it wouldn't be the first time two people who didn't love each other agreed to have a baby.
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 06:31 |
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Ymir and Historia are about as gay as you can get without turning to the camera and saying "btw they're gay". Eren and Historia don't quite have that in the text but what is very apparent is that they have a very strong bond with one another, to the point that having a child to protect one another is not out of the question. e: basically this Pththya-lyi posted:I'm not sure Eren and Historia have romantic feelings for each other; they could just have a strong platonic bond. This wouldn't necessarily disprove the "Eren as baby daddy" theory, either. It wouldn't be the first time two people who didn't love each other agreed to have a baby.
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 06:35 |
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The way the Ymir/Historia relationship ended kinda sucked yeah. One of the major problems I have with AoT
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 06:42 |
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Ymir made her choice, and it was to abandon Historia because she felt sorry for Reiner and Berthold - because that's the sort of selfless person she was at her core. Eren chose Historia, the whole world be damned.
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 06:57 |
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Conspiratiorist posted:Ymir made her choice, and it was to abandon Historia because she felt sorry for Reiner and Berthold - because that's the sort of selfless person she was at her core. I mean, she did the same for him first. (She also did the same for Ymir, but Ymir turned down the offer. Selfless to the end.)
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 06:59 |
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Whoever wields the Jaw tends to turn into a self sacrificial blockhead. I worry for Falco
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Eej posted:Ymir and Historia are about as gay as you can get without turning to the camera and saying "btw they're gay". Eren and Historia don't quite have that in the text but what is very apparent is that they have a very strong bond with one another, to the point that having a child to protect one another is not out of the question. But she can just hook up with the farmer then for protection from being fed the Beast Titan. Eren is an unneeded middle man in that scenario if she needs to hook up with the farmer anyway to cover for Eren being the father. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Feb 16, 2021 |
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^maybe technically true but if you’re going to have a baby, it makes much more sense to have it within a ‘strong bond’. and the whole thing about finding someone to love within the walls, and the parallels with Grisha and Dina, etc. that said I’m still only like 90% sure Eren is the father
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 16:11 |
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The final chapter ends up being an episode of Maury Povich.
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 18:06 |
Much like I feel its odd that Historia has been largely absent, I sure don't remember her and Ymir having a relationship through the paths. There is clearly a lot of this story I've forgotten or lost as it's ramped up to genocide here at the end.
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# ? Feb 16, 2021 19:39 |
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bees x1000 posted:^maybe technically true but if you’re going to have a baby, it makes much more sense to have it within a ‘strong bond’. and the whole thing about finding someone to love within the walls, and the parallels with Grisha and Dina, etc. I'm up to 95 with the last panel, myself. People have noticed that the baby in the last panel has Eren's distinct eyebrows, and eyelashes that baby Eren didn't have.
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# ? Feb 17, 2021 00:35 |
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Gonna be funny if/when the last panel really is what everyone thought it was and we spent years second guessing anyways.
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# ? Feb 17, 2021 01:10 |
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I thought the twist would be it was Zeke holding the baby but I guess that’s out of the cards now lol. Only other swerve would be a beefed up Armin or Jean
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# ? Feb 17, 2021 01:25 |
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So we think Eren is somehow going to be allowed to survive after killing hundreds of eldians and millions of non-eldians? Or the last panel is someone else holding the baby?
No Wave fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Feb 17, 2021 |
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At this point I half wonder if the final panel ends up being something else and "lol I changed my mind"
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