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His 3 books about dancer and kellevand are fanfiction. So bad. An hour of reading each. The orb, scepter, throne and the Jakarta stuff wasn't bad. I enjoyed reading about the swordsdudes and explodey bugmen.
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Jaxyon posted:Not really. Iron Bars never showed up in another book and you can’t tell me otherwise.
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# ? Jan 20, 2021 23:36 |
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From the Novels of the Malazan Empire: Night of Knives is okay; Return of the Crimson Guard is about 500 pages too long; Stonewielder has some good bits and some utterly forgettable bits; Orb Sceptre Throne is a decent novel but a poo poo conclusion to the plot threads set up in Toll The Hounds; Blood and Bone is one of the better ones, but completely fails to land any of the conclusions to arcs; Assail is entertaining enough, but is massively disappointing given how hyped-up the continent is up to this point. The Path to Ascendancy books are better. Books 1 & 2 are generally very good (for Esselmont, anyway), but the third book seems rushed even by his usual standards.
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# ? Jan 21, 2021 01:27 |
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Just finished Dust of Dreams last night. What I really appreciated was that the Nahruk showing up at the end doesn't really fit into the conflict that everyone was preparing for in Kolanse so much as it's a threat everyone was a little bit aware of but ignoring only for it to arrive at the worst possible time. I assumed at the start when the K'Chain destriant was kind of ruminating over the matron being insane it was just your standard Malazan 'everything is bad for everyone' worldbuilding, I didn't expect the matron's plan to actually work and end up saving the world. It was a nice touch! I'm still not entirely sure what the deal was with Rutt, Held, etc. Were they also ghosts like Feather Witch/etc? Was it happening concurrent to everything? Will this be answered in the next book?
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# ? Jan 25, 2021 00:24 |
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The machine Icarium built went off. Rutt, held, and the hair-loogey guy all got caught in it. Its explained later but I had to be told cuz dumbness. they are ghosts in incarums mind now. I think. I am pretty dumb. disregard this probably.
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# ? Jan 25, 2021 00:36 |
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Wolfsheim posted:Just finished Dust of Dreams last night. As far as the Snake, they're not ghosts when you watch their journey, just people doing something unimaginable, but my read was that their journey is analogous to the Bridgeburners in Raraku, the Chain of Dogs, and the Bonehunters in Y'Ghatan ,with the horrible march through a magically invested hellscape turning them all into something more-than-mortal. After Icarium's machine, yeah, something weird happened to them. edit:actually, I think I take that back about Icarium's machine? I believe they left and survived before the machine went off. Infinite Karma fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Jan 25, 2021 |
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The Snake is a mirror to the Bonehunters, but - spoiler for The Crippled God; seriously, don't read this until you've finished the last book - they're more than that, because they eat the locusts/shards, which are the D'ivers that make up the Forkrul Assail god. Badalle seems to take on some of its power, at the very least. Also, it's equal parts world-building (the references to the Forkrul Assail set them up as the baddies before we really see them in The Crippled God) and reinforcement of the series' themes, with the Bonehunters empathising/caring for them, even at the expense of their own health (when they give up their water). Icarium's machine creates a bunch of new warrens, including the one where Grub gets chased by a T-rex. It also makes Icarium go mad and see ghosts - probably because it interacts with Chaos in some way, and Icarium touching Chaos always has an impact on his mental health (I think it's Gothos who points out that Icarium is basically a walking Chaos wound).
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kingturnip posted:The Snake is a mirror to the Bonehunters, but - spoiler for The Crippled God; seriously, don't read this until you've finished the last book - they're more than that, because they eat the locusts/shards, which are the D'ivers that make up the Forkrul Assail god. Badalle seems to take on some of its power, at the very least. My memory is that the snake was clearly laid out as the Worn of Autumn protecting the kids. Snake = worm. That's about when it was revealed the Worm killed all her followers except what's his name because all the rest of the followers wanted her to join the dark side. Hence the worm showing up at the conclusion to protect the last of the bonehunters who were standing over TCG. The worm was with them when the kids were with them. Though maybe the "eating the locust God" thing makes sense now that I think of it.
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# ? Jan 25, 2021 04:51 |
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On the snake: One thing I wasn't clear about : was there a particular reason the Forkrul Assail were harrying them, beyond their general "judge/kill all humans" MO?
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# ? Jan 25, 2021 11:21 |
Weren't they escaped slaves?
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# ? Jan 25, 2021 20:34 |
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anilEhilated posted:Weren't they escaped slaves?
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# ? Jan 25, 2021 20:45 |
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A great post from Erikson on Youtube. Erikson always posts positive things about this youtube channel on his Facebook page.quote:Erikson here. Well, you pretty much nailed it. For years I've stated that Toll the Hounds is the series' cipher. That, of course, could be interpreted as meaning that Kruppe is the narrator of the series, but that would be wrong. Rather, Toll the Hounds is a condensed form of the whole, in a fractal sense. As you point out, Kruppe cannot narrate all of Toll the Hounds. For major aspects he simply wasn't there, not part of those side-plots. In those sections, the narrative style that is present in the rest of the series returns. What makes TtH the series cipher is what's going on in it structurally, in narrative terms. Kruppe employing the third person when addressing himself is intended to highlight the distinction between person and story-teller, between character and narrator, and accordingly, the narrative voice slips back and forth between the self-aware storyteller and the not-fully-aware character playing a role in the story. Generally, it consciously blurs the distinction at those moments where emotions are at their most charged; when, in effect, it's time for the heart to speak rather than the head. So, if you think of TtH as a fractal representation of the entire series, then you have to look at when and where in the series will you find those moments of charged, heightened emotions, and to then consider them as thematic and deliberate evocations by the series' narrator (Kaminsod), who, within the Malazan world, is broken, helpless and suffering. One could even say that the Crippled God is our stand-in (certainly MY stand-in), also foreign, also a stranger in a strange world, who is ultimately driven to feel (see with the heart). The scene of the joke on the hill was one exchange that I sat on for years, frantically writing towards (Tavore on the battlefield was another one). In that brief exchange ('Who are we fighting for?/Everyone/No wonder we're losing'), yes, there's the humour, but there's also the futility, and the defiance, that to my mind, is found at the very core of humanity. It's ironic, utterly self-deprecating and therefore profoundly humble. It is this humility that awakens Kaminsod's heart. I recall how carefully I assembled that exchange, and then Kaminsod's response. For example, I needed the dialogue to come from no-one in particular. We don't know who speaks. That, to me, was crucial, because here, at this point, the speaker is everyone,, yet no-one we knew (even though we know every character on that hill, which makes the unknowable aspect impossible). Conversely, Kaminsod knows none of them. Last point I wanted to comment on: your point about condensed history playing a role. You are right, which is why so many readers tear their hair out trying to devise a proper timeline. Simply put: you can't. It doesn't mesh. It was never meant to mesh. In the same way that the siege of Troy didn't last ten years , I took the ten years (or twenty or whatever) and crunched it down. This notion of history being bound to a proper, rational timeline, a sequence of dates with events attached to them, is an illusion. But we're stuck with it (check out the screw-up in the accepted timeline for Dynastic Egypt). The Iliad will forever fascinate me for being a tale of two ages told by a single voice. That fascination hovered in the back of my mind throughout the writing of tMBotF. Well, I could go on, but I won't. I tip my hat to you, Niflrog. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0qjIDcZK-I
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# ? Feb 12, 2021 10:51 |
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He gets his own joke wrong [edit] I just checked. I got the joke wrong. kingturnip fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Feb 12, 2021 |
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kingturnip posted:He gets his own joke wrong That would have been meta as hell of him though. You can't even trust your own memory why would you trust the narrator's?
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# ? Feb 12, 2021 18:55 |
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I'm still slowly making my way through the The Crippled God and I'm still not sold on the Forkrul Assail showing up in the eleventh hour to actually be The Big Threat, and it was weird to throw in a reference to the Empress dying which I assume happened in one of the spinoff books, but right in the middle there's a section where Fiddler is marching and faintly recalls the very beginning of the very first book in the series and then actually speculates on the saga being the Malazan Book of the Fallen and it might've been a little mawkish but goddamn I love this big, complicated, meandering, wonderful mess of a series
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# ? Feb 18, 2021 07:09 |
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There are a few threads that you'll pick up on a reread about the penultimate adverseries in much earlier books. Yes it is unfortunate that some character threads end up being tied off by Esslemont, but there are so many characters and such is life.
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# ? Feb 18, 2021 11:39 |
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Wolfsheim posted:I'm still slowly making my way through the The Crippled God and I'm still not sold on the Forkrul Assail showing up in the eleventh hour to actually be The Big Threat, and it was weird to throw in a reference to the Empress dying which I assume happened in one of the spinoff books, but right in the middle there's a section where Fiddler is marching and faintly recalls the very beginning of the very first book in the series and then actually speculates on the saga being the Malazan Book of the Fallen and it might've been a little mawkish but goddamn I love this big, complicated, meandering, wonderful mess of a series As for the big baddies being first nah'ruk and then assail - those are kinda telegraphed throughout the first 8 books. It's just honestly easy to forget they happened, because characters mention it in the middle of some other stuff, and it doesn't look like a cohesive whole until a second read-through. This is basically how the series works, though, love it or hate it. Like, it would have also been weird for nah'ruk not to show up after so many skykeep spottings, etc. Or for assail not to show up when everyone always talks about how much they suck and how they pop up here and there through the series.
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# ? Feb 18, 2021 15:21 |
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dwarf74 posted:Yeah, that refers to a major plot point in - I think - Return of the Crimson Guard. I get it with the Nahruk, they've been banging around forever. But I always just kinda saw the Forkruk Assail as this random alien race that mostly stayed out of things, similar to the three wizard kings from that island that are referenced a few times, or Tanno spiritwalkers, or etc. The only one I remember offhand is the one that Karsa freed didn't seem overly malevolent?
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# ? Feb 18, 2021 16:24 |
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Wolfsheim posted:I get it with the Nahruk, they've been banging around forever. But I always just kinda saw the Forkruk Assail as this random alien race that mostly stayed out of things, similar to the three wizard kings from that island that are referenced a few times, or Tanno spiritwalkers, or etc. The only one I remember offhand is the one that Karsa freed didn't seem overly malevolent?
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# ? Feb 18, 2021 16:43 |
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Did we ever learn who put her under the rock?
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# ? Feb 18, 2021 16:53 |
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Canuckistan posted:Did we ever learn who put her under the rock? If I remember right it was the T'lan Imass. Isn't there a huge ramp of bones from the ones who died in the battle?
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# ? Feb 18, 2021 17:01 |
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dwarf74 posted:Uh that one killed one of his friends and broke the other one's brain. Just the latter of those two. Bairoth gets killed later when he and Karsa are captured. SansPants posted:If I remember right it was the T'lan Imass. Isn't there a huge ramp of bones from the ones who died in the battle? It was them, along with Icarium. Which has some nice symmetry in TCG when she in turn imprisons him (though I don't think she overpowers him, just finds him unconscious). Wolfsheim posted:I'm still slowly making my way through the The Crippled God and I'm still not sold on the Forkrul Assail showing up in the eleventh hour to actually be The Big Threat, and it was weird to throw in a reference to the Empress dying which I assume happened in one of the spinoff books, I'm fine with the former, for reasons other posters have already mentioned, but I also found the latter kind of strange, even though I had read RotCG (just was very apparent to me that it wasn't dealt with at all in the main series). OneSizeFitsAll fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Feb 18, 2021 |
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dwarf74 posted:Uh that one killed one of his friends and broke the other one's brain. Self defense!
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# ? Feb 19, 2021 00:23 |
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fb posted:The 2-Volume Edition of
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 07:48 |
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use K'kstarter idiot
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 08:44 |
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Probably unreadable and only useful for displaying by fanatics as a holy relic. Pretty on brand for the series.
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 09:14 |
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Will only buy if it includes potsherds. Lots of potsherds.
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 11:22 |
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Fund it with the profits from a prestige HBO show about Kallor I saw a photo of a grey haired old man in chainmail with a giant broadsword from some production or another and now I can't stop wanting a Kallor show. pile of brown fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Feb 25, 2021 |
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It's like Hercules/Xena but every episode is the fall of another kingdom.
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 21:00 |
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pile of brown posted:Fund it with the profits from a prestige HBO show about Kallor I was talking to a mate of mine about Defiance the other day, and the guy who plays Datak Tarr, Tony Curran would make a great Kallor. He's another despicable/tragic cockroach that you keep rooting for while you're wanting him to get his comeuppance.
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 21:30 |
I suggested he do it in one volume the size of a Gutenberg bible and have it fully illuminated and he replied that was actually his first idea.
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# ? Feb 26, 2021 19:10 |
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I'm reading House of Chains for the first time and I'm having a bit of difficulty. In the past the various perspectives and plots seemed to compliment each other, informing one another and leading to a climax where they all intercepted. I'm halfway through and I feel like that really isn't happening, which means all the plots feel harder to keep track of. Is this a problem with House of Chains, or am I just not seeing the connective tissue?
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# ? Mar 10, 2021 14:36 |
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Convergence
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# ? Mar 10, 2021 15:29 |
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Hiro Protagonist posted:I'm reading House of Chains for the first time and I'm having a bit of difficulty. In the past the various perspectives and plots seemed to compliment each other, informing one another and leading to a climax where they all intercepted. I'm halfway through and I feel like that really isn't happening, which means all the plots feel harder to keep track of. Is this a problem with House of Chains, or am I just not seeing the connective tissue? House of Chains suffers a bit initially because it introduces some new characters and arcs, it even put me off a bit at first. However, the plots do converge and the book taken as a whole is excellent and adds quite a bit of depth to the world.
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# ? Mar 10, 2021 20:57 |
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I feel like HoC actually has the most satisfying convergence in the series. The main drive of the plot is pretty straightforward, but its nice to see all the different characters reacting to it in different ways. And all the little side bits do link up nicely. I massively prefer it to MoI, which is the one it most closely resembles.
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# ? Mar 10, 2021 21:06 |
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Okay, fair enough, I was just feeling a bit lost and wondered if I wasn't seeing the through line. As long as it's there, I should be good.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:Okay, fair enough, I was just feeling a bit lost and wondered if I wasn't seeing the through line. As long as it's there, I should be good. It's there, and like alot of the other books, the themes and title work on several levels. A lot of people are living in a house of chains in the book and then there's a literal House of Chains, also in the book. But Karsa's character arc is most of what that book is, and all of those storylines converge on that.
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# ? Mar 11, 2021 00:50 |
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Speaking of Karsa...
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# ? Mar 11, 2021 02:34 |
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You really got my hopes up there. November 9th is when it comes out.
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I just finished TCG, and now a new series is coming out I...liked it. I don't know if the series' end ever approaches anything as truly great as the run of books 2-5 but it wraps up well enough. It's funny how overall happy an ending everybody gets based on how miserable the journey is sometimes but it's fine, I like them all and I like that it ends the same way it began (in Malaz City with a Bridgeburner chilling and a weather vane creaking) and I like that the future sword raptors and now-not-undead cavemen shamans carved out a semi-peaceful existence and all of that. It's strange how incidental to the plot Icarium ended up being, and how Cutter/Apsalar are just entirely absent from it outside of a page. Also, I assume Silverfox's situation is relevant to the ICE series?
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