|
This really isn't the gotcha you think it is, I don't need to look something up to know Tilly's first name is Sylvia What's the next impossible test, asking what Georgiou or Pike's first names are?
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2021 14:27
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 25, 2024 17:40 |
|
|
ooh I know this one it's empress and captain
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2021 14:38
|
|
|
I mean really it doesn't matter because as someone who really likes Discovery a lot, and thinks it's as good as most Trek shows, it's about the *ways* in which something is failing, and whether those bother you or not. Like, nobody's wrong when they say the turbolifts look stupid, I think so too, it just doesn't matter to me. And it's true that the show seems to occasionally think 'oh poo poo, we should make people care about X background character now' and clumsily tries to make you care. That bothers me, but it doesn't bother me a lot. Just a bit. So it doesn't spoil Disco for me. But it might for someone else. It's why I value it so much when people explain why they think something is bad. Disco's clumsy attempts at inclusion, its heavy reliance on Michael, its over-emotionality, its lack of plot cohesion - those things don't really bother me. The thing I hate most in Disco as of early season 3 is that the writers seem to think Georgiou is amusing and badass and fun to have around and I think she's repulsive and awful and is spoiling every scene she's in. Which is quite some feat considering how amazing her actress is. Michelle Yeoh is incredible, please give her better lines. Ugh.
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2021 15:42
|
|
|
Yeesh some of you are missing the point entirely. It’s not about whether you remember a character’s name or not. It’s about why the character has one at all. Half of those actors don’t need to be named because they’ve done nothing. People don’t remember their names because their names, their function, nor their character serve no purpose on the show.
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2021 19:18
|
|
|
Super Deuce posted:Yeesh some of you are missing the point entirely. It’s not about whether you remember a character’s name or not. It’s about why the character has one at all. Half of those actors don’t need to be named because they’ve done nothing. People don’t remember their names because their names, their function, nor their character serve no purpose on the show. Their function is "it is well established it takes such and such people to run a starship (helmsman, comms, etc.), so it is necessary to show these recurring characters at their stations every episode, but the story isn't about them." I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2021 20:10
|
|
|
It's kinda weird to do a bunch of promotional photos with them as the subjects though if they're just reoccurring extras. I do think the writers really did intend them to be characters and are just terrible at their job.
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2021 20:18
|
|
|
They wanted to do the office thing where the background extras slowly morph into supporting characters. Oops, 3 seasons later and we forgot to give any of them a personality!
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2021 21:12
|
|
|
My name is Brhys. My job is to look dismayed when bad things happen. Burnham's on the bridge! Now I'm clapping!
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2021 21:20
|
|
|
Drink-Mix Man posted:Their function is "it is well established it takes such and such people to run a starship (helmsman, comms, etc.), so it is necessary to show these recurring characters at their stations every episode, but the story isn't about them."
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2021 21:55
|
|
|
sticklefifer posted:The weird thing about that complaint is that Trek used to specifically add random background characters just to kill them off and have a sad moment. These characters are slightly above redshirt level, but it's not a failing of a show to have designated background characters or featured extras. This isn't present on shows with different settings, and I think sci-fi viewers are just used to cataloging everything. If this were a police procedural, nobody would care about the background cop who gets a few lines sometimes but doesn't get his own cases. The show isnt designating them as background recurring extras though, it keeps trying to pretend they are main cast. E: hence that photo Alchenar fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Feb 21, 2021 |
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2021 22:14
|
|
|
You’re basing that entire argument on promotional shots though. No one ever talks about them in interviews because they aren’t meant to be main characters. Their actors aren’t listed in the main title credits. They aren’t main characters. It’s the Saru/Michael/Tilly/Stamets show.
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2021 23:16
|
|
|
I mean yes do you know what a promotional shot is. They don’t use extras in them for a reason
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2021 23:23
|
|
|
Who gives a poo poo about publicity photos. They just wanted some shots of the bridge crew, big deal.
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2021 23:27
|
|
|
It’s also not even just a shot of the bridge crew; it’s a behind the scenes group shot of everyone who was in that particular scene during filming (except for Cornwell’s actress). That’s why they’re wearing the medals from the finale of season 1.  Sometimes a picture is just a picture and not a Writer’s Bible on who serves what function and what their entire backstory is. Big Mean Jerk fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Feb 21, 2021 |
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2021 23:30
|
|
|
Look if you want to rationalize it whatever but that is the point of a promotional pic to show what’s important, whether it ends up like that or not
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2021 23:33
|
|
|
CharlestheHammer posted:Look if you want to rationalize it whatever but that is the point of a promotional pic to show what’s important, whether it ends up like that or not It's a single behind the scenes pic of a specific scene from a single loving episode, but sure, by all means continue on with this inane argument.
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2021 23:35
|
|
|
CharlestheHammer posted:Look if you want to rationalize it whatever but that is the point of a promotional pic to show what’s important, whether it ends up like that or not 'Promotional pics' aren't usually taken on a phone camera and include electric cables for the lighting rig lying on the floor in them. You can't compare something someone grabbed in 2 minutes on set to fart out as a tweet with promo materials for a TV guide taken by a professional photographer in 1996. They are completely different things. Disco's got its own structure, and is a completely different type of show to what came before, and that's absolutely fine. Unfortunately, it's also an incompetently put together garbage fire train wreck, so that just means it gets to poo poo the bed in bold and creative new directions instead.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 00:08
|
|
|
Big Mean Jerk posted:It's a single behind the scenes pic of a specific scene from a single loving episode, but sure, by all means continue on with this inane argument. And from a picture that's 4 years old at that.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 00:37
|
|
|
Guys, I'm really confused. I kept seeing this promo picture of Spock leaning against a cool car in a Hollywood parking lot, but from what I can tell that car never even appears in TOS???? Absolute failure of storytelling.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 01:11
|
|
|
Drink-Mix Man posted:Guys, I'm really confused. I kept seeing this promo picture of Spock leaning against a cool car in a Hollywood parking lot, but from what I can tell that car never even appears in TOS???? Absolute failure of storytelling. That was from season 4
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 02:09
|
|
|
TOS season 4 is real and it is my friend
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 02:12
|
|
|
I can't believe they put a bridge window on Spock's space Buick. These guys aren't thinking!
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 02:14
|
|
|
i dont really think theres a defence of those lovely secondary characters and how they're used other than like "you cant except tv writers to understand how to develop them". does star trek need them to be good? no, you can get by with only a handful of interesting and well written characters alone. does discovery need them to be good? yeah
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 03:00
|
|
|
Drink-Mix Man posted:Guys, I'm really confused. I kept seeing this promo picture of Spock leaning against a cool car in a Hollywood parking lot, but from what I can tell that car never even appears in TOS???? Absolute failure of storytelling. A Q did it.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 04:31
|
|
|
Facebook Aunt posted:A Q did it. Is this that QAnon thing I've been hearing about in the news lately?
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 04:33
|
|
|
Nitrousoxide posted:It's kinda weird to do a bunch of promotional photos with them as the subjects though if they're just reoccurring extras. It's almost like all prior Star Trek shows had ensemble core casts made up of the bridge crew and department chiefs or something. Why would anyone be confused as to why the characters in this Star Trek show aren't being treated the same? 
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 06:06
|
|
|
The show has been very upfront with who the main characters are since the pilot episode, so I don’t know why you’d continue to be confused by this four years later. I mean the show shouldn’t be laser focused on only a couple characters and absolutely should be an ensemble like every Trek since TNG, but that’s beside the point.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 06:12
|
|
|
Big Mean Jerk posted:The show has been very upfront with who the main characters are since the pilot episode, so I don’t know why you’d continue to be confused by this four years later. Because the show keeps trying to have its cake and eat it too with them being dropped into all the roles an ensemble cast would fill, like the aborted attempt at dinner to increase ship morale. Or being relatively-major characters in the mirror universe like the main cast in other Trek Shows. Or giving them a big focal set of scenes in the finale trying to save the ship.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 06:28
|
|
|
nine-gear crow posted:Is this that QAnon thing I've been hearing about in the news lately? I dunno, better ask them to decrypt PDL 257 to make sure.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 06:46
|
|
|
Neddy Seagoon posted:Because the show keeps trying to have its cake and eat it too with them being dropped into all the roles an ensemble cast would fill, like the aborted attempt at dinner to increase ship morale. And honestly, when those guys actually get given a line or two then for the most part they are showing off that they really could be given more screentime. Detmer's storyline is straight up offensive to anyone who's actually had experience of dealing with PTSD, but Coutts delivers what she's asked to do. I don't particularly like the way Tilly's character is basically a Doctor-Who sidekick, but I did really like her character arc this season right up until the show ran it into a brick wall and Mary Wiseman did well. Oyin Oladejo... well I don't think anyone can do much with 'my character's defining trait is I'm Guybrush Threepwood's joke talent' but she does what she's told to. I know we say this every season, but now that they've finally put Michael in the chair and shut down all the future-plot threads that could have continued on, they could just softly-reset to a TNG style ensemble adventure show. They won't, but they could.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 10:49
|
|
|
End STD, make a new spinoff that's just Stamets and Reno being catty bitches to each other while fixing things across starfleet.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 11:25
|
|
|
It felt this season in particular like they really didn’t know what to do with Tilly She was very involved with everything in the first two seasons, but her only arc was the nonsense First Officer assignment, which they didn’t bother to finish?
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 16:09
|
|
|
It still bothers me that they made an Astromycologist the chief engineer of a starship where he was also the head science guy on a super science experiment ship It makes no sense whatsoever and I don't think the spore drive set was meant to be engineering when it was made either, just at some point someone was looking to Find/Replace Scotty or Geordi or B'elanna or Trip for a script and just went... ehhhhh.. Stamets its dumb
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 16:50
|
|
|
It’s because they’ve been trying to clumsily retrofit Discovery into the traditional Trek ensemble mold, which on one had is a good thing. But it kinda introduces some awkward and dumb stuff, yeah.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 16:54
|
|
|
He's not the chief engineer. He's only in charge of the spore drive, nothing else. We don't know who the chief is, maybe they don't have a singular one. He was listed as chief engineer on one background screen in season one but they said that was a production screwup.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 17:10
|
|
|
Argyle is finally the chief.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 17:14
|
|
|
Also keep in mind we are only doing ~10 Ep seasons. Cant really have a Data's cat episode when you have to tell a tight story of how the most special girl in the universe is going to save the world again. apatheticman fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Feb 22, 2021 |
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 17:56
|
|
|
MikeJF posted:He's not the chief engineer. He's only in charge of the spore drive, nothing else. We don't know who the chief is, maybe they don't have a singular one. Then where the gently caress is the chief engineer when they have captains briefings or when they need to redesign their propulsion interface constantly or at promotion ceremonies or farewell parties for space Nazis? This explanation is actually WORSE apatheticman posted:Also keep in mind we are only doing ~10 Ep seasons. You know more about the characters in one season of the expanse or the magicians or the boys, with a similar number of episodes Also lol tight story
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 18:09
|
|
|
FlamingLiberal posted:It felt this season in particular like they really didn’t know what to do with Tilly They take it right up until the point at which Discovery gets captured (not amazingly, but Tilly's arc for 3 seasons has been 'I'm really nervous and awkward but I want to be a Captain one day' and season 3 follows that up), at which point the show has the main antagonists humiliate Tilly, tell her she was bad at being a captain, and then the story dunks on her hard in order to pivot back to being the Michael Burnham show. Tilly at least should have gotten a promotion out of that season.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 18:14
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 25, 2024 17:40 |
|
|
Neddy Seagoon posted:It's almost like all prior Star Trek shows had ensemble core casts made up of the bridge crew and department chiefs or something. Why would anyone be confused as to why the characters in this Star Trek show aren't being treated the same? It seems like TOS didn't really? Like, the core crew of TOS was Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. You had other characters....Scotty, Uhura, Sulu, Chekov, and they got some characterization, but none of them were particularly important or fleshed out. Uhura and Sulu didn't even have first names.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2021 18:15
|
|
