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Zalakwe posted:Gents this is deeply appreciated, thanks. Yeah the Zen 3 cores have significantly higher IPC (instructions per clock, basically how much work done each clock cycle) to the point where the 5600X can get close to the 8-core Intel chips even in workloads that can use all eight cores. Games don't scale linearly with core count so generally the CPU with better IPC is going to win even vs another CPU with more cores.
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Smythe posted:appears you literally cannot purchase a video card? pretty loving cool if you ask me. Currently nvidia requires a blood sacrifice (1st cousin+) and some weird shaman poo poo. I think you can get one if you have a third eye.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 01:11 |
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Smythe posted:appears you literally cannot purchase a video card? pretty loving cool if you ask me. Just bananas that five-ish months into release the thread title is still holding...
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Just bananas that five-ish months into release the thread title is still holding... Its worse then release day
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 04:03 |
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Question on storage prioritization/best value. I'm doing basically the below quoted build, but my current storage is directly below. I obviously want more SSD storage, looking at the WD SN550 that everyone recommends. But I can't decide if I should: 1) replace my boot drive with a PCIe 4.0 NVMe/something with DRAM (so not the SN550), 2) focus on replacing the HDD with SSD (so a large cheap SATA SSD) or 3) just get more SSD storage for a good value (SN550 and keep everything else). My PC is entirely for gaming/old file storage on the HDD. Boot drive: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SATA Storage drive: WD Black 2TB 7200 RPM SATA MmmDonuts posted:Thanks for the feedback, here's my revised list:
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 15:04 |
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A large cheap SSD isn't really a thing yet, since there's no real price difference between NVMe and SATA SSDs yet. A 2TB SSD will still run you over $200. I think replace the boot drive with an NVMe SSD and keep the 2TB HDD for now.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 15:11 |
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It’s crazy how fast my new computer boots when you have Windows installed on an NVME
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 16:08 |
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A friend of mine is idly thinking of building a PC for his family. He is in the UK. His budget is "about a grand" but he wants to hold some of that back for a monitor (1080p/24"/60Hz, fairly basic, we can manage that) so I'm guessing that brings us down to more like £880. He says "I myself want to be able to do some virtual synth stuff [i.e. music production]. Some light photo editing. We do have a young man [age 4 right now] who might be getting into playing some games in the near future but I'm not looking for top end gaming. We have lots of old photos and files." PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (£180.00 @ Currys PC World) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 Evo 43.1 CFM CPU Cooler (£21.99 @ AWD-IT) Motherboard: MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (£89.99 @ Scan.co.uk) Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£74.20 @ Amazon UK) Storage: Western Digital SN750 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£59.99 @ Box Limited) Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£46.88 @ CCL Computers) Video Card: MSI GeForce GT 710 2 GB Video Card (£45.28 @ CCL Computers) Case: be quiet! Pure Base 500 ATX Mid Tower Case (£75.51 @ CCL Computers) Power Supply: EVGA BQ 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£66.19 @ Ebuyer) Wireless Network Adapter: Ziyituod ZYT-AX200 PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac/ax Wi-Fi Adapter (£33.90 @ Amazon UK) Total: £693.93 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-02-22 15:37 GMT+0000 That GPU is a placeholder, pending some hypothetical future month when decent GPUs can actually be, you know, bought for money. My only observation is that getting a motherboard with wifi/Bluetooth onboard might be a better option, but I expect the thread has other suggestions.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 16:45 |
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roomtwofifteen posted:Question on storage prioritization/best value. I'm doing basically the below quoted build, but my current storage is directly below. I obviously want more SSD storage, looking at the WD SN550 that everyone recommends. But I can't decide if I should: 1) replace my boot drive with a PCIe 4.0 NVMe/something with DRAM (so not the SN550), 2) focus on replacing the HDD with SSD (so a large cheap SATA SSD) or 3) just get more SSD storage for a good value (SN550 and keep everything else). My PC is entirely for gaming/old file storage on the HDD. Replace your boot drive with a PCIe 3.0 NVME, as in the SN550. PCIe 4.0 drives aren't fast enough to warrant the way higher cost. Storage has no business living on an SSD, so just make sure the drive is backed up, and replace only if starting to fail (probably with another regular HDD).
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 16:48 |
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roomtwofifteen posted:Question on storage prioritization/best value. I'm doing basically the below quoted build, but my current storage is directly below. I obviously want more SSD storage, looking at the WD SN550 that everyone recommends. But I can't decide if I should: 1) replace my boot drive with a PCIe 4.0 NVMe/something with DRAM (so not the SN550), 2) focus on replacing the HDD with SSD (so a large cheap SATA SSD) or 3) just get more SSD storage for a good value (SN550 and keep everything else). My PC is entirely for gaming/old file storage on the HDD. I mean, unless you need >4TB, I would recommend all SSDs. Boot drive on an NVME (the SN550 we all love) and then a 2TB SSD for storage. If you really want to scrimp, you can get a 4TB platter for $150ish. If you're on the fence between those, I would suggest getting a 2TB NVME as your boot and just going with that. Having 3TBs is a no man's land of bad choices.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 16:57 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:It’s crazy how fast my new computer boots when you have Windows installed on an NVME Is it noticeably different from just a regular SSD? Going from mechanical to any SSD was already mind-blowing. From what I gathered, NVME was a negligible upgrade. But if it's worthwhile, I'll tack it on my next build.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 18:23 |
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mom and dad fight a lot posted:Is it noticeably different from just a regular SSD? If you’re buying an SSD anyway and the board you’re using supports it, NVME is a no brainer due to negligible cost difference at boot drive size. It’s not with it if you’ve already got working hardware you didn’t intend to replace.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 18:29 |
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mom and dad fight a lot posted:Is it noticeably different from just a regular SSD? An NVMe is massively faster than a SATA SSD. I think the transfer rate of data from an NVMe is around 400mbps compared to 6mbps over SATA.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 18:47 |
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njsykora posted:An NVMe is massively faster than a SATA SSD. I think the transfer rate of data from an NVMe is around 400mbps compared to 6mbps over SATA. This is wrong by orders of magnitude. SATA SSDs run around 500mbps, the SN550 is around 2400mbps, and the fastest PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives read at up to 7000mbps. In terms of noticing a difference in boot speed and running games though, atm its negligible, but given the relative cost if you have a compatible board there's no reason not to get an NVMe.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 18:56 |
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njsykora posted:An NVMe is massively faster than a SATA SSD. I think the transfer rate of data from an NVMe is around 400mbps compared to 6mbps over SATA. NVMe only hits those huge numbers at high queue depths, which just aren't common in consumer workloads. They're technically still faster at QD1, but for day-to-day usage it's not going to be a perceptible difference; the 600MBps of SATA III is fast enough that most actions don't take a meaningful amount of time to begin with.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 18:59 |
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Unless you are doing like, massive daily file transfers though, it's not going to be a noticeable upgrade like it was from HDD --> SSD. The boot times will be extremely fast on both and video games / programs will load extremely fast on both. If you are building new, sure get one because the costs at the 1TB level are the same. But it's not worth upgrading a current one (unless you are doing huge file transfers).
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 19:00 |
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For me the NVMe vs SATA SSD choice basically comes down to “what slots do I have open to install this thing”. I don’t think I could ever go back to a platter drive for anything where I’d be installing games though. File storage, sure, I have a ton of platter drives I’ve pulled from laptops/prebuilts when I do upgrades for people. But it’s impossible to go back to platter drive load times for games.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 19:06 |
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I just installed my first nvme drive this weekend, but had sata ssds for quite some time. Win10 is usually on the desktop before my 8 year old monitor turns on. It's insane. Usually I'd see the windows load screen with my sata ssd.
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Siroc posted:I just installed my first nvme drive this weekend, but had sata ssds for quite some time. Win10 is usually on the desktop before my 8 year old monitor turns on. It's insane. Usually I'd see the windows load screen with my sata ssd. These are times for like "overclocking" the windows boot time (disabling a ton of poo poo, optimizing RAM/GPU for it, closing all startup programs, etc etc) But it really is negligible, unless you desperately need the extra 1.5 seconds in your life or something.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 19:24 |
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Thom P. Tiers posted:unless you desperately need the extra 1.5 seconds in your life or something. Hey, that adds up you know. Rebooting every day would save me 9 minutes of my time a year.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 20:13 |
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SSD vs NVME for normal usage boils down to deciding what you hate the least - cable clutter or working with M2 screws.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 20:18 |
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Dealing with M2 screws is why I’ve been putting off putting another NVMe drive in my new computer.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 20:22 |
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They are trivial if you buy magnetized screwdrivers. iFixit sells a good set.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 20:27 |
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Mu Zeta posted:They are trivial if you buy magnetized screwdrivers. iFixit sells a good set. I have a small tremor from years of boxing that doesn’t normally effect much but m2 screws are like exactly the wrong size for my busted up brain.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Dealing with M2 screws is why I’ve been putting off putting another NVMe drive in my new computer. A good trick with tiny screws is to use a driver slightly too big so you can wedge the screw into the driver and it sticks. Then just screw it in like a half turn so it's stuck and use the right driver. Or by a magnetized driver.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 20:35 |
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:Currently nvidia requires a blood sacrifice (1st cousin+) and some weird shaman poo poo. bro i cant even buy a radeon. literally what decent card is on sale for money? im losing my loving mind over here
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 20:41 |
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Smythe posted:bro i cant even buy a radeon. literally what decent card is on sale for money? im losing my loving mind over here Live on a discord, pay full retail (or more) for a 3 year old card, or give up. I'm not joking.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 20:44 |
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Smythe posted:bro i cant even buy a radeon. literally what decent card is on sale for money? im losing my loving mind over here It’s insane. I’ve seen people buying 1050’s for like, 3060 MSRP.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 20:44 |
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is there a decent placeholder for like $400? i have gtx 970 in my rig and i cannot play games with my bros anymore. my computer is too slow to game. gently caress
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 20:48 |
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Smythe posted:is there a decent placeholder for like $400? i have gtx 970 in my rig and i cannot play games with my bros anymore. my computer is too slow to game. gently caress nope. get on one of the stock drops discords.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 20:50 |
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Smythe posted:is there a decent placeholder for like $400? i have gtx 970 in my rig and i cannot play games with my bros anymore. my computer is too slow to game. gently caress pretty sure no, but if you find one tell me so i can buy it before you
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Smythe posted:is there a decent placeholder for like $400? i have gtx 970 in my rig and i cannot play games with my bros anymore. my computer is too slow to game. gently caress Not that’ll match the 970. Maybe if you can get your hands on a 1660 Super at that price, but that would take some luck. Though I did see some at MSRP at micro center the other day, kicking myself for not buying any.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 20:51 |
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Smythe posted:is there a decent placeholder for like $400? i have gtx 970 in my rig and i cannot play games with my bros anymore. my computer is too slow to game. gently caress Probably only if you live near a microcenter/similar and have some luck.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 20:52 |
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I don’t think I could ever go back to a platter drive for anything where I’d be installing games though. File storage, sure, I have a ton of platter drives I’ve pulled from laptops/prebuilts when I do upgrades for people. But it’s impossible to go back to platter drive load times for games. I was surprised at how easy it was to set up RAID 1 Mirroring in Win10 with a couple HDDs. If you have a couple lying around (or you buy them; I've seen 1TB for $50), it's a great thing to add for long-term storage, because the setup isn't exotic at all.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 20:58 |
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wrong thread nvm!
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Smythe posted:bro i cant even buy a radeon. literally what decent card is on sale for money? im losing my loving mind over here I got an email from our distributor rep the other day: "Since all cards are out of stock everywhere, thought you might want to know we found a dozen unsold 24GB RTX 6000s. $3800/pop." I laughed until I cried. Really regretting not building myself a new workstation last year.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 22:59 |
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poo poo's insane right now and I'm actually finding myself tempted to get a Series X on ebay since it seems easy enough to get for like 100 bucks markup vs double or triple msrp. At this point I just want to see something cause a massive supply spike or demand to crater because I just want to see the third parties suffer.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 23:06 |
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Smythe posted:is there a decent placeholder for like $400? i have gtx 970 in my rig and i cannot play games with my bros anymore. my computer is too slow to game. gently caress Same boat. Still running my 970 and was waiting to upgrade. I waited to long... Best I can tell is to sign up for some discords and mailing services through retailers and watch them like a hawk.
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# ? Feb 22, 2021 23:45 |
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Zig-Zag posted:Same boat. Still running my 970 and was waiting to upgrade. I waited to long... Best I can tell is to sign up for some discords and mailing services through retailers and watch them like a hawk. A 1650 Super or 1660 Ti would be a good incremental upgrade if you can score one close to MSRP
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At this point I'm seriously considering something built around a apu to get through until stock becomes available, then putting in a decent card and upgrading the processor at the end of the year.
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