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Theres still 9 other living siblings. Maybe there'll be documentary in 20 years that has them on the record on this mess
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I'm gonna say Dylan Farrow isn't a liar and Ronan Farrow is close enough to a decent journalist that he would know if his sister had been gaslit into thinking abuse had happened that didn't happen. There's gotta be some occam's razor poo poo, Woody Allen married a 17 year old that he also raised as his adoptive daughter. That's a thing that we can all agree happened, there's a bunch of legal documents to prove it. Do you think he never did anything sexual with her before they got married, do you think it's not possible he may have acted inappropriately with a different adopted daughter? Do you think Woody Allen was lying or do you think Mia Farrow, Dylan Farrow and Ronan Farrow were all lying in concert?
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Cnut the Great posted:stuff But this armchair theorizing of how child molesters "really" work is absurd. Really? Come on. Not to mention, I don't understand how someone outside the situation can confidently assert that Woody Allen is innocent. Even the most charitable reading of this situation has to acknowledge that every character has some questionable level of reliability -- because they were children, because there was a bunch of complex contextual poo poo going on, because there are allegations directly contradicting each other, because abuse, as it is studied, is known to gently caress with someone's memory of things. At best you can say "Nobody except the people themselves know what happened." But somehow your response is, "Yeah of course he didn't loving do it." It smacks of intellectual pomposity, if not moral depravity.
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Feb 20, 2021 08:31
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Ronan Farrow has been a reporter for multiple companies, could he have a career if all of those news organizations thought he was lying. He broke the Harvey Weinstein poo poo, it was in The New Yorker, they have some of the best fact checkers working today, would they have even given him the time of day if they thought he was lying about what happened to his sister?
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Feb 20, 2021 08:38
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Okay but this proves gently caress all. This person was not involved in the incident in question. Also, "This isn't how child molesters operate" is a bullshit claim, especially when it's made in regards to a man who married an underage girl he raised as his daughter and had a long term affair with another underage girl: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/woody-allens-secret-teen-lover-manhattan-muse-speaks-1169782
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Feb 20, 2021 08:50
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Like Woody Allen seemed to have spent basically his entire career being all but open about loving underage girls and suddenly now people are being skeptical?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Like Woody Allen seemed to have spent basically his entire career being all but open about loving underage girls and suddenly now people are being skeptical?
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Feb 20, 2021 10:45
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No one in history has ever married their adopted daughter for a healthy or sane reason, and I actually don’t think the gory details and the specificity of precisely how he groomed and assaulted her really changes the basic facts, which is that he essentially bought a woman as a child that he is now married to. Countries with more common sense than ours refer to this as trafficking and it’s supremely weird that we don’t. I know I bring him up a lot ITT, but Prince did the same thing. There’s no way to reconcile sleeping with your adopted child, there just isn’t no matter what.
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Alhazred posted:Here's a hosed up little factoid: That is literally how it is in Norway. According to the law there has to be physical violence for something to be rape. There has been cases where everyone has agreed that the victim clearly said no but because there was no physical violence involved the accused couldn't be convicted for rape. We finally changed the Danish law last year so the criteria is now lack of consent, not physical violence or threats or whatever. Withdrawn consent also counts, as I believe it does in Sweden? I feel weird googling it But oh wow, so many commentators have been worrying about innocent men now being innocently accused and innocently convicted for innocently —
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Feb 20, 2021 14:30
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Feb 20, 2021 15:02
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Skwirl posted:Ronan Farrow has been a reporter for multiple companies, could he have a career if all of those news organizations thought he was lying. He broke the Harvey Weinstein poo poo, it was in The New Yorker, they have some of the best fact checkers working today, would they have even given him the time of day if they thought he was lying about what happened to his sister? This entire thread is full of examples of media organizations, including news orgs, standing by people who have done much worse, with the organization's knowledge and to people within the organization. A journalist possibly maybe lying about something in their personal life, even if it's tied to their 'story', is not going to matter at all once they've decided to hitch their horse to them.
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Feb 20, 2021 16:08
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There's additional information about Woody Allen that came out in an article somebody posted a few pages back. I couldn't read pastv the first few paragraphs, that was all I needed to know. Something very wrong was happening there, and Allen was behaving very inappropriately. Like, we're past the point where we can say "well we don't really know what happened." Like, there is a point where you're not being skeptical, you're just being ignorant.
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I also find it silly to pretend like one can’t hold the belief that, yea, Mia Farrow also seemed like a not great mom. That doesn’t stop the Woody Allen story from being true? That’s kind of been my take on it for a few years now. Just icky poo poo posting that weakass defense of Allen in tooyl 2021.
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Feb 20, 2021 19:24
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I don't think you were trying to say this, but I still feel compelled to point out that Mia Farrow being a bad mom does not excuse anything Woody Allen did.
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Feb 20, 2021 20:11
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It's just baffling that people believe that there's some sort of pedo rulebook that all pedos must obey. In reality the idea that pedos behave in a certain way is actively harmful because it then takes longer time to uncover them.
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Feb 20, 2021 20:42
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Alhazred posted:It's just baffling that people believe that there's some sort of pedo rulebook that all pedos must obey. In reality the idea that pedos behave in a certain way is actively harmful because it then takes longer time to uncover them. Especially because in this thread we've seen examples of "well he always seemed like an abuser" and "he never gave off that vibe its a huge surprise" The idea the predators or abusers have a "type" is something people need to quickly move beyond to address the issue seriously.
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Feb 20, 2021 20:49
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Jimmy Saville would say he hates working with children.
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Feb 20, 2021 20:52
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People who defend Woody Allen truly and sincerely believe that “there’s no way he could have molested Dylan, he’s clearly only attracted to teenagers” is both true and a good defense
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Feb 21, 2021 01:25
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If anything, Mia being a bad mother would make Woody's grooming more effective so I'm not sure what that's meant to prove.
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Feb 21, 2021 02:56
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The whole pathologising of pedophilia is a weird thing that I'm not sure where it came from, but even then, it's pretty clear there's also some people who are just monstrous undiscriminating opportunists.
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Feb 21, 2021 03:33
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Many child molesters are non-pedophiles--that is, they seek out adult partners and adult porn, and they're very capable of normal sexual behavior with those partners. But if they're put in a position where it's possible to molest a child, they'll do it, because the appeal is victimizing someone. A major risk factor for molestation is, in fact, the presence of a stepfather in a family with pubescent or prepubescent children. Some of that is pedophiles who deliberately seek out women with children, and a lot is the "normal" men who didn't plan ahead, but turn out to be capable of abusing someone in a vulnerable position. The popular perception of pedophiles as socially abnormal weirdos helps to camouflage a lot of that category of child molester. And, of course, a biological parent who's also abusive is another great smokescreen. Nothing about Mia Farrow abusing her children disproves the idea that Woody Allen could have abused them in different ways. My personal guess is that it's much more common for there to be two abusive parents than just one. There are abusive parents who work together, and there are abusive parents who also have it out for each other and use the kids against each other.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:If anything, Mia being a bad mother would make Woody's grooming more effective so I'm not sure what that's meant to prove. Soon Yi's said in the few interviews she's done that her and Woody "became intimate" in large part over their shared trauma from Mia Farrow's abuse, so yeah The Peccadillo fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Feb 21, 2021 |
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Feb 21, 2021 06:01
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Doesn't help that the socially abnormal weirdo pedo is still a real thing (see all those libertarians and anime perverts) but opportunistic predators who pass as 'normal' and 'respectable' are and always have been more likely to actually seek out and take advantage of opportunities. And more likely to get away with it because other adults don't want to rock the boat.
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Feb 21, 2021 08:05
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Woody did it.
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Feb 21, 2021 10:25
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It's extremely cool that you're allowed to commit a crime and legally pay the victim to go away.
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:It's extremely cool that you're allowed to commit a crime and legally pay the victim to go away. Any "crime" that results in a fine just means rich people can do those things
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Woody Allen goes on the offensive again: Woody Allen Responds to HBO Documentary: The Farrows and their enablers…put together a hatchet job riddled with falsehoods” https://www.showbiz411.com/2021/02/...with-falsehoods Woody Allen criticises “self-serving” actors who denounced him: “It’s fashionable, like everybody suddenly eating kale” https://www.nme.com/news/film/woody...ng-kale-2678392 The Song That Woody Allen Says Proves His Innocence https://www.moviemaker.com/the-song-that-woody-allen-says-proves-his-innocence/
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Watching Allen vs. Farrow not having a ton of knowledge of the situation aside from my mom loathing and my dad loving Allen. I figure even if you remove Dylan's allegations entirely, dude has a generous and admitted track record of loving/assaulting teenage girls. Was surprised how horrified I was at Mia, though. This bit: "Well, he said another kid would be OK but he really had no interest in contributing emotionally or financially. Though he said it'd be nice if we could get a little blonde girl! And I thought it would be great if I could do that for him." Jesus gently caress, lady. JaneError fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Feb 22, 2021 |
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Feb 22, 2021 21:54
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Ronan Farrow must be really relieved he's got a different father at this point.
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I’m sure Frank Sinatra was abusive in his own right but in this case it’s kind of a win by default https://twitter.com/horse_feedbag/status/1363595743206862849?s=21 Chris put out a non apology video Alan Smithee fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Feb 22, 2021 |
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Feb 22, 2021 23:39
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Alan Smithee posted:I’m sure Frank Sinatra was abusive in his own right but in this case it’s kind of a win by default yea I think Frank was just generic old mafia connected scumbag abusive in the sense of probably being emotionally withholding and probably hit his kids and poo poo but hey dude looks like the better option now!
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Zogo posted:Woody Allen criticises “self-serving” actors who denounced him: “It’s fashionable, like everybody suddenly eating kale” Uh, I'd argue there's actually a huge difference, but I guess I'm not the Oscar-winning master of wit. I was lucky enough to be too young for Allen movies before everyone agreed he was gross as poo poo, but I imagine this has got to be a lot like the MJ reveal for people who like, uh, whatever kind of movies Allen made.
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It’s like that tweet where joss whedon says some quippy poo poo and his wife goes “I’m divorcing you” Except woody is shrugging his shoulders and droopy dogging the camera “My new girlfriend is into Fortnite, that’s like 2 weeks! That’s how long I like to go without talking to people sometimes!”
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JaneError posted:Watching Allen vs. Farrow not having a ton of knowledge of the situation aside from my mom loathing and my dad loving Allen. I figure even if you remove Dylan's allegations entirely, dude has a generous and admitted track record of loving/assaulting teenage girls. Was surprised how horrified I was at Mia, though. I watched the first episode of this last night and honestly it’s very telling how much of the story that they’re telling lines up with the story Woody told in his audiobook. Like, 80% of it is agreed upon, including Woody telling Moses and Dylan that their mom seemed to have no time for them after Ronan was born, Woody taking a particular interest in Dylan, Dylan going to therapy at 5 because she seemed to have started to withdraw from the world, Woody really not wanting to have much to do with the kids at first, etc, and it didn’t really delve into the Soon-Yi part which is gonna be the focus next week, I imagine.
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Does a non-spectrum child ever "withdraw from the world" that young unless there's some serious trauma going on?
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Frank Sinatra was such an obsessive gambler that when he was finally denied a line of credit he couldn't pay at a casino, he began tripping waiters on purpose and eventually drove a golf cart through a cafe window to try and fight the casino manager. Old Blue Eyes was just a horrible person.
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Feb 23, 2021 06:31
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Frank Sinatra divorced Mia Farrow because she wouldn't immediately quit Rosemary's Baby halfway through production and come work on a different movie he decided he wanted to film. So, you know, that was a pretty dick move too. From What I've read Mai Farrow, Woody Allen, and Frank Sinatra were all pretty terrible people (though only Woody Allen is a child molester).
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