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Darth TNT posted:So Disenchantment Season 3ish... I did a big Groening retrospective where I watched all of Golden Age Simpsons and all of Futurama. Then i tried to watch Disenchantment and bounced off super hard. I looked up on AV Club what the highest rated episode were and tried watching those, but even they only match up to mid-tier Futurama with characters I like less. I only know one person who actually likes this show, and is a big fan of the worldbuilding and character development. But I just don't see it and am not interested.
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Feb 22, 2021 19:04
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Having watched most of Season 1, I'm definitely in the camp that Disenchantment is mostly held back by the fact that it doesn't know what it wants to be, and there's not enough humor or plot to make it compelling enough to continue watching. Big ol' swing and a miss.
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Feb 22, 2021 20:06
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I’ve seen all of Disenchantment so far and while I really do like the characters, especially the main trio, it doesn’t reach the heights of Futurama for me. It’s weird that it keeps trying to take these dramatic turns, and the mermaid gay romance subplot being relegated to being a dream then never revisited disappointed me. But there are often really good gags that keep me watching. I’ll watch the next season when they drop.
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Feb 22, 2021 21:13
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Yeah, Disenchantment's biggest issue is that it keeps halfheartedly waffling between being an absurd episodic comedy like Futurama and being a more serialized dramedy without being willing to commit to either, and as a result it just ends up being a muddled mess and completely fails to realise its potential. It really is a shame, as I think the concept could really work well by going in either of those directions, if only they would just loving pick one.
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My other problem with Disenchantment is despite the big voice cast, despite all the recurring characters, the world feels so empty for some reason. It doesn’t feel brimming with life like Springfield or Futurama’s New York. I keep thinking Disenchantment has like 7 characters tops before I remember all the minor characters who’ve appeared here or there. I have no idea why Dreamland feels like a much lonelier place. Maybe because Bean is meant to be kinda isolated and lonely, which i guess makes sense as she’s a royal Some of the best episodes have been where they go to Steamland, because that’s a place that feels like it has citizenry
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Feb 23, 2021 00:33
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Hedrigall posted:My other problem with Disenchantment is despite the big voice cast, despite all the recurring characters, the world feels so empty for some reason. You say it has a big voice cast, but from what I've seen of it, most of the women appear to be voiced by Tress MacNeill, and the men are either Maurice LaMarche or John DiMaggio.
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Feb 23, 2021 01:04
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The complaints that everyone settled on in the disenchantment thread is that everyone is just interchangeably bender. Like the obvious on paper setup is a confused young women in her early 20s torn between responsibility and freedom with a devil on one shoulder and an angel (elf) on the other, but for some reason they just decided every single character is a bitter drunk rear end in a top hat in random scenes, like no matter what personality anyone has they will just be bender sometimes and anyone could have anyone else's lines at any time. The other big complaint is how scattered the writing is and the repeated problem of someone doing something, leaving then immediately going back to where they were. Like bean going to the freak show, rescuing all the 'freaks', leaving to fight some robots, going back to the freak show, freeing another person, then going back to the robots to fight them more, like they put the show in the wrong order somehow and half the runtime is patching them leaving places and going back. Like bean leaving steamland, then immediately going back to steamland for more scenes. Or like how there are three totally separate scenes where someone is discovered to be murdered and it's not like it's a joke, they just seem to have written it multiple times then forgot. Like each episode author had the outline of a script but isn't told what part their episode is set in so they have to redo random plotpoints then undo them so everything can happen ten times.
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Feb 23, 2021 02:15
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It's extremely odd and a problem I haven't seen in any other show. I don't know how it happened.
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Feb 23, 2021 02:23
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From what I heard, Groening doesn't have the same kind of editorial oversight for Disenchantment that he had with Futurama and moreso with The Simpsons, and the muddled characterization and tonal issue could be due to having no one questioning the decisions.
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Pick posted:It's extremely odd and a problem I haven't seen in any other show. I don't know how it happened. Yeah, it's so strange. It's like every time any story thread closes they have someone that thinks of one more situation or joke they forgot to include so everyone has to run back to where they were for one beat then return again to how it was. Like oona quits being a queen to be a pirate, then IMMEDIATELY comes back and episode later to be queen more then IMMEDIATELY leaves an episode later to be a pirate. And there is no story function like she doubted her decision and then got stronger resolve. It's just like they put the scenes in the wrong order and needed to throw something in showing her returning and leaving. And it's not just a one time thing, it happens with nearly everything. They end the gun plot then make a new gun plot identical to it like two times in like 4 episodes. They kill percival then resolve that then have like two other scenes they discover he died (and make it a gun plot). it's like every episode is written by someone locked in a room with an outline of the season and told to write episode seven but that they can't talk to any other episode writer to know what has or hasn't happened in the plot yet. It's such a weird problem for a show to have and the more you think about it the more you notice it happening, everything happens, is undone, then immediately happens again.
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Ccs posted:I did a big Groening retrospective where I watched all of Golden Age Simpsons and all of Futurama. Then i tried to watch Disenchantment and bounced off super hard. I looked up on AV Club what the highest rated episode were and tried watching those, but even they only match up to mid-tier Futurama with characters I like less. Hedrigall posted:My other problem with Disenchantment is despite the big voice cast, despite all the recurring characters, the world feels so empty for some reason. It doesn’t feel brimming with life like Springfield or Futurama’s New York. I keep thinking Disenchantment has like 7 characters tops before I remember all the minor characters who’ve appeared here or there. I have no idea why Dreamland feels like a much lonelier place. Maybe because Bean is meant to be kinda isolated and lonely, which i guess makes sense as she’s a royal That's another thing that really sticks out to me as well. When we started in Dreamland it seemed like a pretty crowded place. But ever since we've been switching different locales Dreamland always feels positively barren. Maybe that's also a function of most things happening in the palace where the normal people aren't allowed to go. Dreamland also has a more muted color pallet and less background details than Steamland or Merkimers place, which probably also doesn't help. But yeah, when we return to dreamland for the umpteenth time I always feel a little sad that we left the more interesting locale and are back with mad kind Zog. Owlofcreamcheese posted:The complaints that everyone settled on in the disenchantment thread is that everyone is just interchangeably bender. Like the obvious on paper setup is a confused young women in her early 20s torn between responsibility and freedom with a devil on one shoulder and an angel (elf) on the other, but for some reason they just decided every single character is a bitter drunk rear end in a top hat in random scenes, like no matter what personality anyone has they will just be bender sometimes and anyone could have anyone else's lines at any time. I didn't realize we have a separate thread for this.
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Feb 23, 2021 08:56
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I just had a shocking realisation Cats Don’t Dance is a prequel to Bojack Horseman
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Feb 23, 2021 09:45
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"Look at you there with the long long face" *Bojak Horseman drinks a bunch and falls down*
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Larryb posted:Speaking of Lupin, have they said anything about a sixth (or seventh if you count A Woman Called Fujiko Mine) anime yet? I know there’s usually a couple years between seasons at least. They haven't announced any new projects as far as I'm aware of, though 2019 was a pretty wild time for Lupin anyways since they put out 4 movies in the same year so I can understand the radio silence.
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Feb 23, 2021 11:53
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Darth TNT posted:
Is there a word for "reverse flanderization" where as a show goes on every single character displays less and less character traits?
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Feb 23, 2021 13:41
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What do you call a character development like Stewie Griffin, who at the start was an evil genius Rex Harrison baby who wanted to kill his mother, but by now has turned into a literal gay baby slut
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Feb 23, 2021 13:51
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"Seth McFarlane can't write characters"
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Feb 23, 2021 16:53
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I'm pretty sure Seth McFarlane hasn't been doing much of the writing for FG for a while.
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Cartoon Saloon, of Song of the Sea/Secret of Kells/Wolfwalkers gam fame are doing a 13 episode hand drawn series for Apple TVquote:“We have a big series for Apple TV that’s not really announced,” Moore and Stewart told Deadline. “But it’s epic because it’s feature-quality, hand-drawn animation across 12 half-hours, and then a big, hour-long special at the end, which is going to take a lot of work.”
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Feb 24, 2021 04:29
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I finished Disenchantment. The ending was pretty good, but it felt disconnected from everything that came before. This season felt like a waste of time.
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Feb 24, 2021 08:44
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm pretty sure Seth McFarlane hasn't been doing much of the writing for FG for a while. He still writes a lot for it, his name on the checks he's cashing
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Feb 24, 2021 10:14
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https://twitter.com/JamaalBradley/status/1364253481889005570?s=09 This looks nice. Kind of reminds me of Into the Spiderverse
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Darth TNT posted:I finished Disenchantment. The ending was pretty good, but it felt disconnected from everything that came before. This season felt like a waste of time. No man, an army was approaching with a trail of smoke marking their progress, so dreamland had to raise their own army, so they had to go get support from a neighboring country. then the army disbanded because they saw an elf smacking it's butt, then the invading army was just a guy cooking green sausages who had been killed earlier in the series? But THEN a different army invaded anyway, and they fought it with an army. It's seriously one of the worst examples of the stuff I was saying about the writing. everything happens like four times before it sticks, there is an invading army then it resolves abruptly then a different invading army comes one episode later. nothing can ever just happen, it has to happen then unhappen then happen twice more.
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Reading this stuff about Disenchantment without having seen any of it makes it sound like some kind of inscrutable artsy David Lynch sort of thing where time and causality has no meaning and you're not really supposed to "get" it.
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Data Graham posted:Reading this stuff about Disenchantment without having seen any of it makes it sound like some kind of inscrutable artsy David Lynch sort of thing where time and causality has no meaning and you're not really supposed to "get" it. I wish. I feel like there is 30 separate ways that show could be made good. Like if Futurama had a thing where they were waiting for an army to come then something stupid came as a gag then right after a real army attacked independently that would seem fine. The show is funny and it's easy to separate joke events from real plot. Disenchantment is so self serious and up it's own butt about lore. So like the stupid side army can't just be a dumb 5 second gag, it needs to be a very important character with a subplot that takes up 15 minutes ad delivers the exact same information another character already delivered then just returns the plot exactly to where it was with an advancing army about to attack.
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Feels like Matt Groening has the George Lucas problem where their wild success with their signature project pretty much ruined them for everything else, since they haven't been doing anything else for years and no one will tell them no.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:No man, an army was approaching with a trail of smoke marking their progress, so dreamland had to raise their own army, so they had to go get support from a neighboring country. then the army disbanded because they saw an elf smacking it's butt, then the invading army was just a guy cooking green sausages who had been killed earlier in the series? But THEN a different army invaded anyway, and they fought it with an army. You mixed up the order. They went to get the army and weapons well before the green smoke because there was a threat. Then green smoke came and they didn’t really do anything about that except panic and depose Zog. Oh man, that only made your summary worse. yep. It’s a complete and total mess. What about that whole steam land subplot which also hasn’t gone anywhere. I’m manly enough to admit that I was touched when Bean said goodbye to Zog, accepting his dementia while acknowledging his worth as a parent.....and then they strapped him into the back of a cart with a funny driver.  I really really hate the Zog subplot. It has a few good moments, but the “resolution” is poo poo and he’s incredibly annoying while it accomplishes nothing.
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Hmm all this makes me feel very validated in not watching anymore. It's too bad, Futurama kept up a strong showing throughout all 7 seasons. I had hoped Disenchantment would either get better or have a few strong seasons.
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paradoxGentleman posted:https://twitter.com/JamaalBradley/status/1364253481889005570?s=09 Loving what I see here. Hope the full thing ends up being good. Also why is it that black characters so often specifically get electricity powers lol. I mean electricity powers are always cool as hell and fun to watch in animation, but what is that about
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paradoxGentleman posted:https://twitter.com/JamaalBradley/status/1364253481889005570?s=09 Pete Ramsey, one of the ITSV's directors, is a producer on this, so I'm excited.
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Robindaybird posted:"Seth McFarlane can't write characters" Orville is very good. Qualifying that it isn't animation and that while it has good characters they are generally sufficiently broad to serve as plot devices rather than people. Which works great for high production value TNG fanfiction.
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VinylonUnderground posted:Orville is very good. Qualifying that it isn't animation and that while it has good characters they are generally sufficiently broad to serve as plot devices rather than people. Which works great for high production value TNG fanfiction. I really love The Orville. It’s bizarre that a spoof series by the creator of Family Guy is the best Star Trek tv series since Deep Space 9. You can tell he really wanted to make an earnest TNG homage but because he’s the funny cartoon guy there were expectations on it being a comedy so he half heartedly puts some gags in each episode. But the show is still like 90% earnest TNG homage
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Macaluso posted:Loving what I see here. Hope the full thing ends up being good. Storm (all weather but still), Static, Black Lightning, Miles Morales and now this woman (don't know her name). ... Didn't notice until now, really. At least she's not turning into an animal or a bluish green blob?
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ThermoPhysical posted:Storm (all weather but still), Static, Black Lightning, Miles Morales and now this woman (don't know her name). And Electro from Amazing Spider-Man 2
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Is this like how someone noticed the captain of the palace guard is often the only black person in an all white fantasy kingdom in so many media properties
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Macaluso posted:Loving what I see here. Hope the full thing ends up being good. I remember someone going into this and the conclusion was that there are basically two characters who are the source for this (Black Lightning and Storm) and most of the early examples are ripoffs of those two (e.g. Black Vulcan). Then I guess it spiraled out of control.
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Macaluso posted:Also why is it that black characters so often specifically get electricity powers lol. I mean electricity powers are always cool as hell and fun to watch in animation, but what is that about  (panel is from Irredeemable, I think)
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/avatar-last-airbender-expanded-universe-nickelodeon
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