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frogbs
May 5, 2004
Well well well

Punkin Spunkin posted:

I wasn't really that taken by Nomadland. I understand why people are though, just the realness and tragedy of these realities is enough to power a decent dramatic vehicle, and so many people are hungry for any crumb of populism and recognition of gig capitalist evil...but it felt mostly toothless, more Into the Wild-y than I wanted or expected...
It's funny, all of the scenes with the authentic nomads were great. Nothing against Frances McDormand or anything, but the docudrama nature and the fact that it was basically her and David Strathairn surrounded by these real nomads just made me wish I was seeing a politically incisive documentary instead of "Frances McDormand inserts herself to reveal the tragedy of the common people". Plenty of pretty nature vistas for sure.
I understand the need to survive and adapt to new conditions and find beauty in your life, but it felt like it was more about discovering the rugged frontier individualism of the new reality rather than condemning the evil that brought it about and showing the real ugliness and desperation past making GBS threads in a bucket and old people dying (people have surgeries but there's little mention of healthcare, and the idea of moving into your well-off family's home is shown as some sort of surrender, as if the type of people who become nomadic Amazon seasonal workers aren't living that way because of our coercive corporate oligarchic economic structures rather than some choice to be on the "new frontier").

Maybe I'm being too harsh though, expecting too much, blaming it for what I assumed it would be. It was still a decent movie and definitely moving at times. A solid B-. It's not Nomadland's fault people are acclaiming it so hard. I guess I'd rather have seen a documentary based on the book. I wanted more Harlan County USA vibes, less Into the Wild and wannabe Kelly Reichardt/Terrence Malick vibes. It just felt like something was...missing.

The part I had the hardest time with was they didn't even approach any indictment of Amazon at all. It seems like Amazon must have let them film in their warehouses, so maybe they had some kind of influence over the film? And, maybe the people who rely on those jobs in the movie actually like them, I suppose that could be a possibility.

My other criticism would be that the ending just wasn't very strong.

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Island Nation
Jun 20, 2006
Trust No One

regulargonzalez posted:

Manhattan is unthinkable to watch now

That was my first attempt trying to watch a Woody Allen film

Didn't make it ten minutes in , it was that disgusting. Haven't watched one since & don't plan to.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Island Nation posted:

That was my first attempt trying to watch a Woody Allen film

Didn't make it ten minutes in , it was that disgusting. Haven't watched one since & don't plan to.

I pretty much assume that the last new Woody Allen fan was created years ago.

Inspector Hound
Jul 14, 2003

The worst part is that my Woody Allen impression is impeccable

Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009
One great little moment in Nathan for You was an interview with a pretty good Kramer/Michael Richards impersonator trying to still make it work.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
I didn't like Nomadland.

It's a movie that's obsessed with death, drenched in death, seeming to want us to bathe in the reality of our impending mortality. It seems to say that life is short, okay, and you need to make the most of it.

Alright, cool, I'm with Nomadland there. The problem is that it says that only by living this one specific kind of life can you really be making the full use of the limited time we have. Normies just aren't having the true, authentic experiences that make life worth living. This is where it leaves me cold.

Because if you're living in an unheated van and making GBS threads in a bucket, aren't you missing out on some of the joys of life?

What would be so non-uplifiting about saving up and doing the research and buying a really comfortable chair, then sitting in that comfortable chair and being very happy about it? How's that a waste of your life?

I'm not saying the nomad life is wrong in any way but it's just one way to be. Nomadland's message is that if you aren't living that life, you're a sucker in 21st century America's con game. I think that's just one perspective. It's got a powerful energy of "person who just got converted to something and wants to talk your ear off about it at a social gathering"

Also, yes, I think it super pulls its punches politically. I'd be a little more okay with its pushing its perspective if it had a more explicit and less wishy washy message about the failures of late stage capitalism.

Teriyaki Hairpiece fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Feb 23, 2021

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Sounds like a modernized Fight Club philosophy.

frogbs
May 5, 2004
Well well well

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

I didn't like Nomadland.

It's a movie that's obsessed with death, drenched in death, seeming to want us to bathe in the reality of our impending mortality. It seems to say that life is short, okay, and you need to make the most of it.

Alright, cool, I'm with Nomadland there. The problem is that it says that only by living this one specific kind of life can you really be making the full use of the limited time we have. Normies just aren't having the true, authentic experiences that make life worth living. This is where it leaves me cold.

Because if you're living in an unheated van and making GBS threads in a bucket, aren't you missing out on some of the joys of life?

What would be so non-uplifiting about saving up and doing the research and buying a really comfortable chair, then sitting in that comfortable chair and being very happy about it? How's that a waste of your life?

I'm not saying the nomad life is wrong in any way but it's just one way to be. Nomadland's message is that if you aren't living that life, you're a sucker in 21st century America's con game. I think that's just one perspective. It's got a powerful energy of "person who just got converted to something and wants to talk your ear off about it at a social gathering"

Also, yes, I think it super pulls its punches politically. I'd be a little more okay with it's pushing its perspective if it had a more explicit and less wishy washy message about the failures of late stage capitalism.

Nothing says living like making just above minimum wage for the worlds largest conglomerate and having an unsecure housing situation! It's fine if that's what you want to do but it isn't the only way.

Edit: I did find an article where someone involved with the film addresses this directly: https://www.thewrap.com/how-nomadland-managed-to-shoot-in-a-real-amazon-warehouse-credit-frances-mcdormand/

quote:

The presentation of Amazon in the film is matter-of-fact, neither a celebration nor a condemnation of the retail giant. “It’s a weird argument to say that the movie is making a big critical statement,” Richards said. “I mean, we simply show Fern working there. We also show a Ford Econoline as well, but I don’t think we’re making a big critical statement about Ford. Obviously, you can find politics in anything.”

frogbs fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Feb 23, 2021

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

I didn't like Nomadland.

It's a movie that's obsessed with death, drenched in death, seeming to want us to bathe in the reality of our impending mortality. It seems to say that life is short, okay, and you need to make the most of it.

Alright, cool, I'm with Nomadland there. The problem is that it says that only by living this one specific kind of life can you really be making the full use of the limited time we have. Normies just aren't having the true, authentic experiences that make life worth living. This is where it leaves me cold.

Because if you're living in an unheated van and making GBS threads in a bucket, aren't you missing out on some of the joys of life?

What would be so non-uplifiting about saving up and doing the research and buying a really comfortable chair, then sitting in that comfortable chair and being very happy about it? How's that a waste of your life?

I'm not saying the nomad life is wrong in any way but it's just one way to be. Nomadland's message is that if you aren't living that life, you're a sucker in 21st century America's con game. I think that's just one perspective. It's got a powerful energy of "person who just got converted to something and wants to talk your ear off about it at a social gathering"

Also, yes, I think it super pulls its punches politically. I'd be a little more okay with it's pushing its perspective if it had a more explicit and less wishy washy message about the failures of late stage capitalism.
Did we watch the same movie? Nomadland is nowhere as preachy as you're making it out to be. It clearly tells both sides of the story. There are happy domestic families and happy nomadic tribes.

I think some of you wish Nomadland was, instead, pity porn about how unhappy nomads really are. But if you read any article about modern nomads in America, it's that many chose that lifestyle. Rather than be poor and stationary, they chose to be poor and mobile. Within the narrow confines of our economic system they made choices. The film is pretty clear that this is a choice fraught with trade-offs. (You really think that scene with her making GBS threads in her car was supposed to be inspiring?) I don't think you can fault the film for fairly representing the motivations of its subjects.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
I think the scene towards the end where she gets out of bed at David Strathairn's family compound and goes outside to sleep in her van makes the implicit explicit. I don't think it's a subtle movie.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Watched Bliss on Prime despite the horrid reviews and tbh I thought it was pretty decent. Not like, amazing or anything but well worth a watch. The premise is pretty good and I don't know why critics were expecting it to pan out much differently than it did. The ending was a bit sloppy but not terrible.

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


frogbs posted:

Nothing says living like making just above minimum wage for the worlds largest conglomerate and having an unsecure housing situation! It's fine if that's what you want to do but it isn't the only way.

Edit: I did find an article where someone involved with the film addresses this directly: https://www.thewrap.com/how-nomadland-managed-to-shoot-in-a-real-amazon-warehouse-credit-frances-mcdormand/

The presentation of Amazon in the film is matter-of-fact, neither a celebration nor a condemnation of the retail giant. “It’s a weird argument to say that the movie is making a big critical statement,” Richards said. “I mean, we simply show Fern working there. We also show a Ford Econoline as well, but I don’t think we’re making a big critical statement about Ford. Obviously, you can find politics in anything.”


Oh well there's the problem, they're intentionally making a non-political film about an intensely political issue. No wonder it's so muddled.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

YOU CAN FLY!!!

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

I think the scene towards the end where she gets out of bed at David Strathairn's family compound and goes outside to sleep in her van makes the implicit explicit. I don't think it's a subtle movie.

Right. Moreover, absolutely nothing about the movie demonstrates that Fern has chosen this life, she shows no enjoyment in it like some of the other nomads who make it clear this is a lifestyle and philosophy they embrace. Fern is shown that she is doing this purely for survival. The town she chose to make her life in simply no longer exists. So when she is offered a way out in the form of stable housing with people who show they love and care about her, she rejects it, what, 3 or 4 times during the movie? For what? Freedom? She doesn't seem particularly fond of it. It seems that the message is that she is self-flagellating, that she seems to think she deserves to suffer for the sin of outliving her husband. The messaging in the movie is simply very muddled.

Upsidads
Jan 11, 2007
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates


Judas and the Black Messiah is good

a starchy tuber
Sep 9, 2002

hi yes I'm very normal
I think Netflix might have made this for me, specifically

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViNNMQEW9fU

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!

promising carl posted:

I think Netflix might have made this for me, specifically

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViNNMQEW9fU

lol at this shot



The MR2 is mid-engined. He's stuffing documents into the engine bay

a starchy tuber
Sep 9, 2002

hi yes I'm very normal

GD_American posted:

lol at this shot



The MR2 is mid-engined. He's stuffing documents into the engine bay

Gotta keep em warm

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
it's hot information!!!

pospysyl
Nov 10, 2012



One of the interesting things about Nomadland is that many of the nomad characters aren't actually poor. Charitably, you could call them "Bohemians" (the uncharitable term would be "poverty tourists"). David Strathairn's character is almost certainly not actually poor given his children's wealth and that he can easily afford a surgery despite only working menial seasonal jobs. Swanky is also retired, not poor. On the other hand, Fern is mostly a nomad by necessity. Although she could move in with her sister, she actually did lose her house and her means of income. Because of that, you could read Fern leaving David towards the ending as an illustration of the class tension between the nomads by choice and nomads by necessity.

This isn't really a strong engagement with the political questions raised by the nomads' situation, though, and one of my main criticisms about the movie is that its apolitical stance feels inauthentic. Aesthetically, not wanting to portray Fern's work as too hard or too easy makes each of her tasks less involving. I would honestly prefer the movie if it did glorify poverty and Amazon's labor practices. At least there would be something to think about.

Deadite
Aug 30, 2003

A fat guy, a watermelon, and a stack of magazines?
Family.
The 2012 Dredd movie was added to Prime (US) today. It's the good Judge Dredd movie

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
It's the only Raid remake you'll ever need.

thatfuturekid
Jan 5, 2014

pospysyl posted:

One of the interesting things about Nomadland is that many of the nomad characters aren't actually poor. Charitably, you could call them "Bohemians" (the uncharitable term would be "poverty tourists"). David Strathairn's character is almost certainly not actually poor given his children's wealth and that he can easily afford a surgery despite only working menial seasonal jobs. Swanky is also retired, not poor. On the other hand, Fern is mostly a nomad by necessity. Although she could move in with her sister, she actually did lose her house and her means of income. Because of that, you could read Fern leaving David towards the ending as an illustration of the class tension between the nomads by choice and nomads by necessity.

This isn't really a strong engagement with the political questions raised by the nomads' situation, though, and one of my main criticisms about the movie is that its apolitical stance feels inauthentic. Aesthetically, not wanting to portray Fern's work as too hard or too easy makes each of her tasks less involving. I would honestly prefer the movie if it did glorify poverty and Amazon's labor practices. At least there would be something to think about.

Totally agree. I personally gave this a 5 stars on the ol Letterboxd, but this is definitely my criticism of it. I read and loved the book, and was a little dismayed it didn’t dig into a lot of issues laid it in it (terrible work conditions and pay for these jobs, the need to have to become a nomad vs desire to do it)

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


GD_American posted:

It's the only Raid remake you'll ever need.

Dredd was in production a year before The Raid.

Kalko
Oct 9, 2004

Deadite posted:

The 2012 Dredd movie was added to Prime (US) today. It's the good Judge Dredd movie

One of my favourite movies. I got the UHD recently (had to get it shipped from Amazon US :australia:) and it holds up. Also, the audio on that disc really pumps. I felt like doing an effort post on it but 1) I couldn't work out how to capture from my TV, and 2) my movie insights amount to not much more than "I liked this scene."

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!

veni veni veni posted:

Dredd was in production a year before The Raid.

Yeah I was half-joking. I love both movies and wish Dredd had gotten a sequel.

For any Letterkenny fans who want the perpetually uneasy feeling of seeing a very young Wayne and a normal acting McMurray in a pretty decent Montreal cop drama, "19-2" is streaming on Amazon now. 2014 Canadian cop show.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


I keep a PS3 and a 3DVision monitor hooked up primarily for Dredd 3D and Avatar. The drug sequences in 3D are amazing.

Kalko
Oct 9, 2004

Yeah, I've seen that mentioned before. My old Sony TV could do 3D (a feature which seems to have been a fad) and I do still have my PS3. With some effort, and the original Bluray, I could probably make this happen.


GD_American posted:

I love both movies and wish Dredd had gotten a sequel.

It's absolutely the #1 Movie Most Deserving of A Sequel But Will Never Get One.

Kalko fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Feb 24, 2021

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Put me down as somebody who wished Dredd got a sequel. And I hate sequels.

Dredd and Master and Commander.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
Dredd was great.

It's also one of the few movies I've ever seen that actually works better with 3D.

Also, I still feel that in the film he should have shot the kids instead of "juvie cubes".

SunshineDanceParty
Feb 7, 2006

One Road. Two Friends. One Ass.
In retrospect I was really lucky to see Dredd in theaters since it was one of the only movies that had fun with 3d.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


SunshineDanceParty posted:

In retrospect I was really lucky to see Dredd in theaters since it was one of the only movies that had fun with 3d.

Same, but it's one of the few movies that comes with the 3D version with every Blu Ray. I'll pop it on in a VR headset and relive the theater magic every once in a while.

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

Put me down as somebody who wished Dredd got a sequel. And I hate sequels.

Dredd and Master and Commander.

Now that would be a crossover worth watching :v:

But yeah, Dredd is one of those movies that you can really just put on any time and have a good time with, even if you've already seen it a dozen times before. It knows exactly what it wants to do and does it perfectly.

AccountSupervisor
Aug 3, 2004

I am greatful for my loop pedal
Am I crazy or did the first 15min of Monster Hunter feel like a spoof of the type of Michael Bay Transformers movie I thought this was gunna be? It was atrocious and then I started loving it once the spiders got involved.

I was genuinely shocked they killed off every single useless cliche military side character so brutally and that entire spider sequence felt like Event Horizion Anderson and TIs death genuinely freaked me out. The random nameless monster world characters getting absolutely destroyed out of nowhere by that dragon had me cackling like an idiot..

I also really enjoyed Milas chemistry with Tony Jaa.

Obvious sequel/franchise bait and felt like 45min pilot but I actually kind of liked the movie and am really surprised how well done most of the action sequences were.

Glottis
May 29, 2002

No. It's necessary.
Yam Slacker
Is there some kind of never ever thing with a Dredd sequel? We all know Karl Urban would jump back in right away even 20 years from now.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

Glottis posted:

Is there some kind of never ever thing with a Dredd sequel? We all know Karl Urban would jump back in right away even 20 years from now.

It was a flop, and while it's got a loyal cult audience there's no sign that it's enough to justify the risk of a sequel.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
There's a Mega City One show supposedly in development and iirc he's said in the past that he'd be open to appearing on that if possible.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


I read that Alex Garland originally wanted to do more with it but lost interest.

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

There's going to be another Beavis and Butt-Head movie on Paramount+ at some point.

Mr. Toodles
Jun 22, 2004

I support prison abolition, except for posters without avatars.
Search party's whole thing incest thing. I get that it was going for different/millennial/weird/dark comedy but that came out of loving nowhere.

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punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
Dredd bombed due to non-existent marketing. I had no idea the movie existed and only watched it because I wanted to kill time and it was the only movie poster that looked interesting.

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