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euphronius posted:Aotc and rots are both really well made. I get why people don’t enjoy them tho. Especially aotc, it asked a lot of the viewer "The women... and the children... I KILLED THEM ALL" *Anakin throws saber* Padme, nonchalant monotone: "To be angry is to be human Anni." Wow, I wonder why?
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Alchenar posted:A couple of original AT-ATs being in the scene alongside the ridiculous First Order Ones because that's the only way you would be able to tell they were 'bigger and better' is a full blown unintentional metaphor for how the Sequel Films have nothing to offer but to mimic the OT. Oh, those aren't even originals! They're the First Order's very own AT-ATs, which just happen to be almost indistinguishable from the originals.
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Feb 25, 2021 04:07
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Nightmare Cinema posted:"The women... and the children... I KILLED THEM ALL" do you stand up in the movie theater and yell "don't go in there!!!" when the drunk teenagers walk towards a haunted house in a horror movie
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Feb 25, 2021 04:14
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One of the cooler things about AOTC/ROTS is how the "payoffs" of closing the 6-episode loop ("finally, see the fall of the republic/anakin/the jedi") in the final movie is that all of those things already happened in the previous movie. All that's really left for the last film to do is change surface things, like taking all of the color out of the republic fleet and clone armor and changing the name of the republic to the empire. And of course putting the suit on anakin and giving obi a haircut. Amazing sleight of hand
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ungulateman posted:do you stand up in the movie theater and yell "don't go in there!!!" when the drunk teenagers walk towards a haunted house in a horror movie That's not even a remotely close comparison. Really... what??
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^^^^^ Padme isn’t “monotone”. Portman does a fine job of acting confused and distraught. Watch the scene again. The reason why the scene is offputting for most viewers is that Padme doesn’t give a poo poo about the sand people. You may understand that Anakin did something very bad, but Padme is mainly concerned that her boyfriend is having a mental breakdown. So, she is talking quietly to soothe him. Acting calm is the wrong thing for Padme to do, but that is the point of the movies. Snowman_McK posted:It's actually interesting that, while the First Order are usually just empire/sith fanboys mindlessly copying the empire without understanding why, their version of the AT-AT, while being bigger, is actually a bit more practical, with more guns, armour in sensible places and guns with a wider arc of fire This fairly popular interpretation points to the actual failure of the designs: the First Order are meant to be specifically Vader fantastics. Whatever story there is in these films depends on that fact. Ignoring the EU’s horseshit, the very name “First Order” is a reference to Vader’s attempt to ally his anti-Palpatine contingent with Luke’s freedom fighters: “with our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy.” If all the textual evidence isn’t enough, Abrams has said that the First Order specifically views Vader as a martyr - and Vader specifically died in the process of killing Sheev Palpatine. The First Order canonically hates Sheev, and would not identify themselves as Imperials at all. So, the First Order’s technology should, logically, be something radically new. It’s the New Republic who should partially regress to the prequel era, with ‘obscene’ mixtures like Star Destroyers full of X-Wings and Jedis flying Tie fighters, etc. In this way, we can identify the only really good vehicle design in the entire ST: Kylo Ren’s shuttle. It looks very vaguely similar to the one Vader used, but without the Imperial aesthetic. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Feb 25, 2021 |
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Feb 25, 2021 05:07
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Kylo's shuttle looks like vader's castle, upward-turned tuning forks
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:If all the textual evidence isn’t enough, Abrams has said that the First Order specifically views Vader as a martyr - and Vader specifically died in the process of killing Sheev Palpatine. The First Order canonically hates Sheev, and would not identify themselves as Imperials at all. Did anyone else besides Luke know this?
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Feb 25, 2021 05:20
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Real missed opportunity to have the New Republic flying around in a bunch of repainted star destroyers IMO
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Feb 25, 2021 05:35
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Maarak posted:Did anyone else besides Luke know this? IIRC Rey argues with him about it regarding Kylo, not sure if it's because he told her or she knew from learning about the falcon on the holonet
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Feb 25, 2021 06:31
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Maarak posted:Did anyone else besides Luke know this? The biggest conceit of the ST is that everyone somehow knows exactly what happened in the throne room, and the two factions are basically defined by how they interpret those events. The New Republic believes Luke won by converting Vader back to Republicanism, while the First Order (more accurately) believes Vader never compromised in his pursuit of something new.
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No Mods No Masters posted:CD's beloved boy chris terrio does come across as the one with regrets about the whole thing. I'd be interested in hearing more from him about the whole debacle, something along the lines of the embarrassing but interesting post mortem jon kasdan did for solo. But then he's not somebody's son so he probably has to keep his mouth shut more I just found Kasdan's list of stuff about Solo – one of the first few points is straight up "this didn't work, it hurt the flow of the story, and made the film uninteresting until Chewbacca showed up but we didn't really care"
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Feb 25, 2021 09:09
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Glottis posted:This thought occurred to me today - what if JJ Abrams, who we all know filmed like 8 hours of nonsense to make The Rise of Skywalker, is seeing all the news about The Snyder Cut hoping that he'll make The JJ Cut? It actually wouldn't surprise me if the real movie he wanted to make is somehow hidden on the cutting room floor. Abrams always has a lot of projects in the pipeline that he can jump to producing or directing, so very unlikely Besides, Disney+ is not as desperate as HBO MAX for that kind of exclusives and if they need fanbaity polishing project they can always break emergency glass and do proper "demastered" version of OT without Jedi Rocks and other bullshit
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The biggest conceit of the ST is that everyone somehow knows exactly what happened in the throne room, and the two factions are basically defined by how they interpret those events. of course luke won by convincing vader that he could create a jedi order that wasn't awful. oops
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Feb 25, 2021 14:15
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Almost Blue posted:I just found Kasdan's list of stuff about Solo – one of the first few points is straight up "this didn't work, it hurt the flow of the story, and made the film uninteresting until Chewbacca showed up but we didn't really care" It's a pretty incredible document, both for how rare it is to have someone involved in disney wars speak honestly and for how embarrassing that honesty is
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Feb 25, 2021 15:39
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I wish there was like a leak of the Lord + Miller version and maybe some short scenes they filmed.
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Feb 25, 2021 15:56
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Link to this Kasdan thing please
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AdmiralViscen posted:Link to this Kasdan thing please https://twitter.com/JonKasdan/status/1040529501870944256 See the full thread to make sure you get all the amazing solo facts
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LOL at "the Dickensian element" and "we wanted Mimban to evoke Kubrick's Path's of Glory"
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I forgot woody is wearing lando's jabba disguise. Embarrassing It's too bad the movie looks like dishwater e: just realized that Rey's father, the talentless failson of the only competent man in Star Wars, is a subtle nod to Jon Kasdan Ingmar terdman fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Feb 25, 2021 |
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Feb 25, 2021 20:59
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I remember Solo being watchable but mediocre at best. But then again it’s been a while since I saw it.
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Larryb posted:I remember Solo being watchable but mediocre at best. But then again it’s been a while since I saw it. It was watchable but the main issue with it that prevents me from ever wanting to go back and rewatch it is: Ingmar terdman posted:It's too bad the movie looks like dishwater
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Feb 25, 2021 21:02
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Have been laughing today whenever I remember that jon kasdan wrote all that because no one else involved in the movie was willing to do a commentary track with him
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Feb 25, 2021 21:06
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Lol yeah I was thinking it sounds like stuff he was hoping to reveal at convention panels
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Feb 25, 2021 21:10
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I'm on page 2 now, I can't get enough of all these references to legit great movies. "The lodge was inspired by Robert Altman's McCabe & Mrs. Miller". Altman would loving puke if he heard that.
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Feb 25, 2021 21:17
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I am reading he's one of the writers on the Indiana Jones project.  And the 1st episode of Willow.
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Feb 25, 2021 21:23
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My main takeaway from Solo was and is "It's a good movie. It's a bad Star Wars movie." Although Enfys shrinking two feet after she takes her helmet off is some of the best comedy from Star Wars in years
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Feb 25, 2021 21:28
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This last point about Maul is really funny because it's a "no, no, it all makes sense if you read the comics and watch the cartoons" but from the actual writer of the movie.
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The only thing I really found memorable was the joke when they're escaping Kessel and Lando says they have to watch out for The Maw, and then they get attacked by a giant space squid and Han says "is that The Maw?" and Lando says "no, I don't know what that is"
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Basebf555 posted:I'm on page 2 now, I can't get enough of all these references to legit great movies. "The lodge was inspired by Robert Altman's McCabe & Mrs. Miller". Altman would loving puke if he heard that. To be fair, Star Wars has always had a heavy dose of "[MOVIE], but in space". A New Hope is The Hidden Fortress with the ending of The Dam Busters, Empire is The Thing From Another World / Gone With the Wind, and Jedi is the ideas from Lucas' version of Apocalypse Now that he didn't manage to get into the first movie. Robot Style fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Feb 25, 2021 |
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2house2fly posted:The only thing I really found memorable was the joke when they're escaping Kessel and Lando says they have to watch out for The Maw, and then they get attacked by a giant space squid and Han says "is that The Maw?" and Lando says "no, I don't know what that is" The actors playing young Han and Lando were decent enough in my opinion at least.
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Vinylshadow posted:My main takeaway from Solo was and is "It's a good movie. It's a bad Star Wars movie." Nah, it's just bad. It has no narrative focus at all. They should have picked one plot and gone with it. I'd have gone with Han in the military, show him working hard to become a pilot, having setbacks, flunking out, coming back, triumphing, only for his first mission to be a war crime. He sabotages the attack and flies off and boom, you've created an arc where he ends up as the cynic he is when we meet him in ANH Larryb posted:The actors playing young Han and Lando were decent enough in my opinion at least. Absolutely. It's one those movies where the cast deserved a much better film, much like Gangster Squad.
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I remember hearing that a Han origin movie was one of the things that Lucas had an outline, or at least ideas for, when he sold Lucasfilm to Disney. If it's anything like the original backstory he had for the character, it would have a lot different.George Lucas posted:Han is around thirty years old. His parents might have been killed in a space battle with Han as the only survivor. There’s no real record about where the space gypsies found him. They run through the galaxy picking up all sorts of odds and ends. They may have won him in a game. They may have cheated someone out of him and thought they would sell him. He was kind of like a slave. Although the gypsies loved him in their own way, they were also mean to him. They used him for their own ends and he was very unhappy. They would send him out on dangerous missions and they would make him beg in the streets and that sort of thing. They abandoned him to the Wookiees when he was about seven years old; he lived with them for about five years.
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My version of Solo would be a approximately 30 minute short film where Han and Chewie work in a lame white collar company, get bored with their lives and decide to buy a crappy space freighter and become bounty hunters. They fly to the worst bar in the galaxy and sit down at a table, and then Ben and Luke walk up to their booth, the end. I'd call it Star Wars: Space Office.
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Yeah like 90% of my problem with the film is it just looks really awful, there's some story stuff that doesn't work but it's like the only Star Wars movie to not deliver at least some visual spectacle (Lando's patterned shirt notwithstanding.)
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Exactly, the work that went into Rogue One LOOKING great pays off. It saves a pretty chopped up film from being fully horrible. There was literally nothing iconic in Solo - nothing that stood out. It was so loving dull. MINUS Enfys Nest - that was very cool. Reminded me of the Fallen from Destiny.  
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Larryb posted:The actors playing young Han and Lando were decent enough in my opinion at least. The hit piece on Alden was criminal imo. Dude did not deserve to be thrown under the bus.
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CelticPredator posted:The hit piece on Alden was criminal imo. Dude did not deserve to be thrown under the bus. Wait, what’s this now?
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Larryb posted:Wait, what’s this now? Before Solo came out, there were various articles that came out basically saying "Alden can't act, he needed lessons, Miller and Lord were trying to encourage him to improv on set like Ford did and he just couldn't do it," IIRC.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Before Solo came out, there were various articles that came out basically saying "Alden can't act, he needed lessons, Miller and Lord were trying to encourage him to improv on set like Ford did and he just couldn't do it," IIRC. Huh, he seemed fine to me. On that note, had/has he been in anything else notable before or after Solo?
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