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Raccooon posted:This the same parliamentarian the Trump admin installed? obama well, harry reid really
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Wasn’t the argument for Morales being coupes because he exceeded term limits? But those term limits had been ruled unconstitutional by their Supreme Court? The counter was like the Supreme Court was full of Morales’s party members so it didn’t count. This is some how different from the US Supreme Court how?
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:obama Did the Trump admin replace a parliamentarian or just over rule them before? Why the gently caress do they care what this person thinks? Just over rule them.
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Raccooon posted:Wasn’t the argument for Morales being coupes because he exceeded term limits? But those term limits had been ruled unconstitutional by their Supreme Court? hispanics don't know how to govern responsibly, just like they don't know how to use the internet to sign up for things - joe biden, probably
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Also remember people saying uh you can’t say the CIA was involved because no evidence but the fact that the entire US media was ready to go in lock step saying the military over throwing an elected official was not a coup is pretty strong reason to think that. Plus you know the entire history of the US and that region for the last 100ish years.
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Raccooon posted:Wasn’t the argument for Morales being coupes because he exceeded term limits? But those term limits had been ruled unconstitutional by their Supreme Court? the bolivian supreme court is in fact 1000% times more legitimate than the us supreme court, because its democratically elected.
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let's all just be incredibly clear that the Dems aren't failing to pass the minimum wage increase because they are spineless, cowards, strategically incompetent. none of that is true. The Dems are failing to pass the minimum wage increase because they don't want to pass it, and their usual method of defying their base is to pose the situation as inevitable/intractable and address the whole ordeal with a sort of angsty third wayism. Obama era austerity worked the exact same way
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Raccooon posted:Wasn’t the argument for Morales being coupes because he exceeded term limits? But those term limits had been ruled unconstitutional by their Supreme Court? Evo had real issues, but tribalism means that internet leftists dont like to talk about them and rather pretend they dont exist. So it goes. Not excusing or justify the coup. Glad that poo poo failed. Bolivians deserve better.
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there’s nothing you can do about Manchin and Sinema. nada.
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How are u posted:Evo had real issues, but tribalism means that internet leftists dont like to talk about them and rather pretend they dont exist. So it goes. raus
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How are u posted:Evo had real issues, but tribalism means that internet leftists dont like to talk about them and rather pretend they dont exist. such as?
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Manchin and Sinema are just convenient scapegoats. Even if the DnD fever dream of the dems picking up two senate seats in 2022 (lol) comes true, there will just be a new excuse. Anyone who lived through the Obama admin knows that if 60 senators couldn't get anything done, 50 or 52 certainly won't in conclusion everyone who vote scolded for the Democrats is a loving idiot
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How are u posted:Evo had real issues, but tribalism means that internet leftists dont like to talk about them and rather pretend they dont exist. So it goes. What’s your point? Clearly he had the support of Bolivians to get re-elected.
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The argument for couping Morales basically boils down to his party was so popular it had control of most of the government and so it wasn’t “fair.”
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Bootleg Trunks posted:Even without the 15$ minimum wage, it's important to remember that the covid bill is still a hefty 1.9tn$ of stimulus that's going to help a lot of people and help the economy get back to its footing. There's a second infrastructure reconcilliation bill that they can probably pass in time for its effects to be felt before the mid terms. Passing 15$ would've been the right thing to do but it isn't essential for their electoral chances by any means. Especially when we consider the following possibilities: It's amazing to me that anyone old enough to have lived through the Obama years would have an opinion like this - do these people not remember people making all the same sort of arguments about "the Republican Party being finished for good"?
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How are u posted:Evo had real issues, but tribalism means that internet leftists dont like to talk about them and rather pretend they dont exist. So it goes. why are this dipshit and gaupo not forumbanned from cspam
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I don't really pay attention to DSA, but I have a hard time caring about these high-level electoral strategies when it seems like they should be out building popular support and mutual aid networks. you know the latter is meaningless, right go volunteer at a church soup kitchen if thats really want you want to do, wastes a lot less effort that way (although you don't get to put it on your resume so it's not useful from that aspect) QUEER FRASIER posted:Manchin and Sinema are just convenient scapegoats. Even if the DnD fever dream of the dems picking up two senate seats in 2022 (lol) comes true, there will just be a new excuse. Anyone who lived through the Obama admin knows that if 60 senators couldn't get anything done, 50 or 52 certainly won't theres fewer than 5 actual votes in the senate for m4a, $15 min wage, etc edit - same with the $2k check, it's why it can't be allowed to come for a vote because some Rs would support it so you need to get others to publicly be scapegoats and thats a tough sell for their reelection, so just never allow a vote mastershakeman has issued a correction as of 19:44 on Feb 26, 2021 |
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QUEER FRASIER posted:Manchin and Sinema are just convenient scapegoats. Even if the DnD fever dream of the dems picking up two senate seats in 2022 (lol) comes true, there will just be a new excuse. Anyone who lived through the Obama admin knows that if 60 senators couldn't get anything done, 50 or 52 certainly won't every day since inauguration has provided further evidence that the claim of "getting a seat at the table" or "push biden left" used by liberal and progressive scolds is a total and utter fraud. the same people who claimed before the election to support applying pressure on biden for leftist policy are now biden's tireless supporters for rightwing policy.
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FDR was confronted with a growing communist party and militant labor movement. LBJ was confronted with an increasingly radical Black liberation movement, and a growing New Left. Also the Soviet Union was on the world stage and provided an example of development outside of the capitalist model.
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Raccooon posted:What’s your point? Clearly he had the support of Bolivians to get re-elected. Point was that evo wasn't king poo poo of Marxism mountain. He was grabbing power and that's no good weather you're left or right.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:why are this dipshit and gaupo not forumbanned from cspam snoo was harassed until she left and that makes me sad. i liked those rat pictures.
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I just noticed that accounts name. how the gently caress do you name your account after Kropotkin and stan FDR and LBJ
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How are u posted:Point was that evo wasn't king poo poo of Marxism mountain. He was grabbing power and that's no good weather you're left or right. whats important is that leaders not have any power at all so that they can't do anything for anyone and the corporations take over instead
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How are u posted:Point was that evo wasn't king poo poo of Marxism mountain. He was grabbing power and that's no good weather you're left or right. this isn't d&d, you actually have to prove the bullshit you let msnbc spoonfeed you
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How are u posted:Point was that evo wasn't king poo poo of Marxism mountain. He was grabbing power and that's no good weather you're left or right. Grabbing power by *checks notes* being democratically elected multiple times.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:this isn't d&d, you actually have to prove the bullshit you let msnbc spoonfeed you I dont watch MSNBC lmao
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hi y’all, i have been enlightened by this bernie staffer — it’s actually sexist to question the parliamentarian https://twitter.com/garbageape/status/1365359876436856834?s=21
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How are u posted:I dont watch MSNBC lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37OWL7AzvHo
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How are u posted:Point was that evo wasn't king poo poo of Marxism mountain. He was grabbing power and that's no good weather you're left or right. a) how was he grabbing power b) grabbing power is good. if anything his problem was he played by all the rules and still got couped and none of the liberals gave a poo poo he was a rule folower and supported the coup. all the loving santacruz nazis should be rotting in jail.
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How are u posted:Point was that evo wasn't king poo poo of Marxism mountain. He was grabbing power and that's no good weather you're left or right. empty skull poo poo
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Opposing a reactionary coup attempt against an Indigenous, democratically elected president of a Latin American county is Tribalism.
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How are u posted:Point was that evo wasn't king poo poo of Marxism mountain. He was grabbing power and that's no good weather you're left or right. Lol if you dont grab unto power capital will do everything in theirs to consolidate it against you
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Atrocious Joe posted:I just noticed that accounts name. how the gently caress do you name your account after Kropotkin and stan FDR and LBJ Is it really stanning? Its more that it's showing how conflict averse one of the two ruling parties are in the US and how that changed pretty dramatically over the past 60 years
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How are u posted:Point was that evo wasn't king poo poo of Marxism mountain. He was grabbing power and that's no good weather you're left or right. @quetzadilla these are the types of people you're rolling with when you troll this thread lol
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maybe the left can talk about how bad grabbing power is after we successfully manage to get our hands on any amount of power at all for the first time in like centuries ...SPORT
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How are u posted:Point was that evo wasn't king poo poo of Marxism mountain. He was grabbing power and that's no good weather you're left or right. It seems to me like it demonstrates an understanding of the lessons of a century of U.S.-Latin American relations that he tried to hold onto power. He saw what happened to Lula, who followed all the rules and got thrown in prison (with the U.S.' help!) for it.
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quote:Isn't it a good thing for a nonpartisan person (in this case, a highly respected 22-year veteran of Office of the Senate Parliamentarian who was appointed by Harry Reid) to provide guidance on whether XYZ provision is sufficiently related to federal budget spend and budget revenue? That's not proof of neutrality, which is different from nonpartisanship, and I doubt this reader would have posted that comment if that 22-year veteran were appointed by Mitch McConnell.
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How are u posted:Point was that Sukarno wasn't king poo poo of Marxism mountain. He was grabbing power and that's no good weather you're left or right. How are u posted:Point was that Goulart wasn't king poo poo of Marxism mountain. He was grabbing power and that's no good weather you're left or right. How are u posted:Point was that Árbenz wasn't king poo poo of Marxism mountain. He was grabbing power and that's no good weather you're left or right.
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accumulating and using power is literally the point of elections you baby brained moron no poo poo evo wanted to empower his allies and disenfranchise his enemies, thats the point of running a goddamn country
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