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Lurdiak posted:Whenever I see a Judo guy in a random action movie I point at the screen like I'm a 5 year old who just saw Sans Undertale. Yeah. It sucks!
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I am two shots, one bowl, five minutes into Omega Doom and I'm utterly convinced that I'm in for a barn burner of a movie here.
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TheOmegaWalrus posted:I am two shots, one bowl, five minutes into Omega Doom and I'm utterly convinced that I'm in for a barn burner of a movie here. Directed by Albert Pyun Written by Akira Kurosawa Let's play 'disconnect the dots'
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Chas McGill posted:I remember trying to watch the first season of Strikeback and bouncing off it, is it worth reading a synopsis and just trying from the 2nd season onwards? B-Rock452 posted:It's kind of connected but watching the first season isn't required at all. I have never seen it and I consider strike back one of my favorite shows yea what this guy said, some of the middle seasons are loving fantastic - I really liked the South America one and the Africa one with Tywin. The show after s1 is basically british 24 with swearing and cinemax tits jammed into 13 episodes. It's always some nuke/biological/whatever doubling down every episode with a cliffhanger. great show (even the newer new cast one; but as others said, the leads just don't have the same chemistry)
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Feb 26, 2021 07:55
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Albert Pyun is a man who is hell-bent on delivering his very specific brand of cyberpunk to the big screen, production costs and traditional good sense be damned. Omega Doom is a naked rip-off of Yojimbo stripped of it's character, action and soul. Rutger Hauer is an android and in the first few minutes he is shot in the "program" (what?) and this converts his terminator tenancies into empathy. So many head-scratching decisions went into this movie. It is a maelstrom of mismanagement. Where normal films have footsteps, this movie has painstakingly given every character (all robots) mechanical movement sounds. Every time a character moves, a random sound taken from electric can openers, windshield wipers, or an RC car plays. After the first few minutes I found this weird adherence to this terrible idea utterly, utterly hilarious. Pyun may have the body of a fully-mature Hawaiian adult, but inside beats the heart of a very thirsty teenager. The offensive, capricious use of 90's tech terminology smacks of Albert watching TechTV for a few hours then banging out the first (and final) draft of this movie in a late night Mountain Dew session. The two gangs that Hauer plays against each other are called the "Driods" and the "ROMS". This pretty much sums up the film right there. But for it's multitude of failings, I cannot call this movie lazy or cheap. You can count the dollars on screen with both hands at times, but the lighting is creative and the performances earnest.
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Feb 26, 2021 16:32
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I can't stop laughing at this poster: Apparently, Christopher Lambert was considered for the lead role before Hauer. Because, of course.
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Feb 26, 2021 16:50
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The early Seagal stuff where he did a bunch of Judo-style throws and shoves was an eye opener when all the other martial arts stuff I had seen was very kick-based. Of course these days if you could somehow Judo from sitting in a chair he would be absolutely unstoppable. This is a re-use of the Yojimbo / Fistful of Dollars plot, but it is in no way a good movie.
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Feb 26, 2021 17:01
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Albert Pyun movies come up often in this thread, and they are interesting because if nothing else Pyun makes choices, but it's also worth remembering that those movies are loving terrible because he tries so hard. The last one I saw was the one with Ice T and the mambo music, and holy poo poo that was awful. It was more annoying than awful, but that special kind of annoying when someone with ideas wants to beat you over the head with them.
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Feb 26, 2021 17:55
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Seagal isn't a judo guy, he's an aikido guy. Infamously, he told "Judo" Gene LeBell that he couldn't be choked out, and LeBell choked him out and made him poop his pants.
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Feb 26, 2021 18:05
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I think a lot of Seagal's early movies work because (at least on screen) he looks like a pretty big guy and half his moves just involves him pushing people smaller than him around. I can't really picture his fighting style working if he was closer in size to anyone he fights on screen.
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Feb 26, 2021 18:23
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Halloween Jack posted:Seagal isn't a judo guy, he's an aikido guy. Infamously, he told "Judo" Gene LeBell that he couldn't be choked out, and LeBell choked him out and made him poop his pants. It's important to note that Seagal hates this story because he insists it isn't true, and I believe that nobody has been able to corroborate LeBell's account. It's therefore imperative to ensure it is told as complete fact.
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Feb 26, 2021 18:40
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Gene Lebell is a big bullshitter and that story is not real. However, it doesn't change the fact that Steven Seagal is such a disliked dork that everyone wishes the story was real. When people want bad things about someone to be true, that's a very bad reflection on the person in question imo.
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Feb 26, 2021 19:07
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When the legend (about pants-making GBS threads) becomes fact, print the legend (about pants-making GBS threads).
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Feb 26, 2021 19:12
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B-Rock452 posted:I think a lot of Seagal's early movies work because (at least on screen) he looks like a pretty big guy and half his moves just involves him pushing people smaller than him around. I can't really picture his fighting style working if he was closer in size to anyone he fights on screen. I don't know if the LeBell story is real, but I absolutely believe that 60-year-old LeBell would have whipped 40-year-old Seagal. I met one actual fighter I respected who spoke highly of aikido. He was a heavyweight professional boxer. If you're strong enough that you can grab someone by the wrist and just not let go, aikido is a more efficient way to sling people around. But theoretically, it allows a smaller and weaker person to control a bigger and stronger one, and it's really not very good at that! Judo and jujutsu have very different strategies for doing that which are proven effective. I once found some guys who claim to do "street aikido," which is not at all believable but pretty entertaining. And it's more believable than Keysi, anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h__CdPeJoXo
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Feb 26, 2021 19:32
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Yea it's really a shame that Seagal never got his ego in check enough to give us some great back and forth fight scenes. Even Bruce Lee was willing to sometimes allow his character to take some punishment to make a scene more tense and interesting. Nobody would care about the Chuck Norris scene from Way of the Dragon if he just beat Norris' rear end in two seconds like Seagal did to every one of his opponents.
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Feb 26, 2021 19:37
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I kind of like that there is no back and forth with Seagal's fights, they always make his opponents just absolute scumbags (much like segal himself) so him snapping limbs and just steamrolling his way through people is pretty cathartic. I forget what movie it was but I really like the payoff of the guy throwing the puppy out the window and him kicking his rear end at the end of the movie.
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B-Rock452 posted:I kind of like that there is no back and forth with Seagal's fights, they always make his opponents just absolute scumbags (much like segal himself) so him snapping limbs and just steamrolling his way through people is pretty cathartic. I mean yea it's cool and it's a major aspect of Seagal's success but you can accomplish both in the same movie. And not every action movie is created equal, it would've been nice to have a few Seagal movies where he goes up against another known star and actually has a legit back and forth exchange with them. But he was just never going to be able to play well with others, it wasn't in him to do that. Maybe it's just a generational thing. Stallone and Arnold weren't exactly known for having small egos when it came to how their characters were presented either. Today's action stars seem to be much more generous towards each other, which is obvious when you watch the Scott Adkins interviews.
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Yeah, Seagal rarely has a showdown with a badass villain in any of his films. The only one I can think of is Screwface from Marked for Death. The bad guy is usually a weasel in a business suit who just sends goons after him and is quickly humiliated when all the goons are out of the way. Like, Tommy Lee Jones and Henry Silva both pulled a knife on him and got their rear end kicked in less than a minute. I think the toughest legit martial artist he's had a fight scene with was Dan Inosanto, who was just like a Featured Mook. A lot of it comes down to his skillset. If you watch aikido demonstrations on YouTube, it's always a bunch of guys coming at their teacher like they're so drunk they're about to fall over without being touched, and allowing themselves to be thrown. I don't think Seagal knew how to have a back-and-forth fight scene with another skilled martial artist. (I read another rumour about Seagal stating that his fight choreographer just gave up on trying to work with him. He'd propose an exchange like "So you throw this guy, and the other one comes up from behind and punches you, so" and Seagal would just cut him off and explain that there's an aikido technique that perfectly neutralizes that attack with no chance of failure so he wouldn't get hit.) B-Rock452 posted:I kind of like that there is no back and forth with Seagal's fights, they always make his opponents just absolute scumbags (much like segal himself) so him snapping limbs and just steamrolling his way through people is pretty cathartic. Also, this is a list of every character he played before his career stopped mattering: Nico Toscani Mason Storm Casey Ryback John Hatcher Forrest Taft Austin Travis Jack Taggert Orin Boyd Frank Glass Sasha Petrosevitch Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Feb 26, 2021 |
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Oh yeah I definitely agree that it would get old and should preface that I have only actually seen 4 Steven Seagal movies. (Five if you count Executive Decision as one). But for those 4 his style works.
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Feb 26, 2021 21:48
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Basebf555 posted:Maybe it's just a generational thing. Stallone and Arnold weren't exactly known for having small egos when it came to how their characters were presented either. Rocky always got the piss beat out of him even when he won, and Arnold had a protracted fight with out of shape Australian Freddie Mercury at the end of Commando, somehow.
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Feb 26, 2021 23:28
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Vernon Wells' perceived prowess against Arnold in his prime is just another delicious layer in the Commando cake.
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sean10mm posted:Rocky always got the piss beat out of him even when he won, and Arnold had a protracted fight with out of shape Australian Freddie Mercury at the end of Commando, somehow. You're right, there's really no comparison.
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Commando absolutely rules since it's very clearly a comedy and Stallone, Norris and a few others all went 'ah, yes, this is something to emulate and tell a serious story with' Arnie always had a sense of irony. There's a quote from him somewhere that he spent his whole career lampooning a character he never actually played.
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Feb 27, 2021 00:57
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Arnold always wins, but he spends a lot of time groaning and wailing in pain.
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Also to be fair to Commando, Matrix starts that final fight with only one usable arm.
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Feb 27, 2021 02:44
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But he always knew how to let off some steam
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Arnold really was at his best when he was slaughtering mothers by the dozen with a smile on his chiseled face and a gleam in his eye.
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Feb 27, 2021 04:33
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Killian doctored that footage! Ben Richards refused to fire on those civilians!
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TheOmegaWalrus posted:Arnold really was at his best when he was slaughtering mothers by the dozen with a smile on his chiseled face and a gleam in his eye. I forgot about that part of Kindergarten Cop.
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Gonz posted:That scene in John Wick 3 where it's just him and a bunch of other people throwing antique knives and axes and hatchets at each other in a narrow hallway is one of my favorite action movie fight sequences ever. So loving brutal. Right up there with The Raid 2's fight with Baseball Bat Boy and Hammer Girl. You should watch The Night Comes for Us. Now that movie is brutal as hell and is from the raid guys. Hammer girl is a supporting character and has some crazy cool fights. Honestly the movie probably has the most original action scenes and brutality I've seen in a movie in the longest time
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What about Action Comedies because I am watching Shanghai Noon / Shanghai Knights with Owen Wilson and Jackie Chan they're reall good. Think I'mma rent Rush Hour after this.
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Terror Sweat posted:You should watch The Night Comes for Us. Now that movie is brutal as hell and is from the raid guys. Hammer girl is a supporting character and has some crazy cool fights. Honestly the movie probably has the most original action scenes and brutality I've seen in a movie in the longest time
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Martman posted:Just googled this 'cause I haven't seen it in a while and I had no idea the creators are hoping to make two sequels. I felt pretty spoiled seeing The Night Comes for Us before The Raid 2 honestly; I still loved it, but TNCFU felt... perfect somehow. Once I can have get-togethers again I desperately want to introduce some action movie fans to it. There were 4 weekends in a row where I showed the Raid and Raid 2 to four separate groups of friends. It's a great type of film to watch in groups.
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The Raid 2 is a great movie but it really should've been its own thing. They do connect it to the original film storywise but that's such a flimsy premise to make a completely different kind of movie starring the same actor. Like he's not even the same character 15 minutes into the movie, why even bother.
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Just sit down one night and watch The Raid, The Raid 2 and Dredd.
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Lurdiak posted:The Raid 2 is a great movie but it really should've been its own thing. They do connect it to the original film storywise but that's such a flimsy premise to make a completely different kind of movie starring the same actor. Like he's not even the same character 15 minutes into the movie, why even bother. It's fun to watch 'Gangs of London' and count how many scenes, characters and plot elements were undoubtedly leftovers from the Raid 2.
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Martman posted:Just googled this 'cause I haven't seen it in a while and I had no idea the creators are hoping to make two sequels. I felt pretty spoiled seeing The Night Comes for Us before The Raid 2 honestly; I still loved it, but TNCFU felt... perfect somehow. Once I can have get-togethers again I desperately want to introduce some action movie fans to it. How do you make a sequel to it lol
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Terror Sweat posted:How do you make a sequel to it lol Simple: introduce identical twins of the first film's main characters (they have opened a restaurant in New York city).
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Also smash somebody's face into noodles, but since this is NCFU, it's noodles made of, like, nails and broken glass. EDIT- If it's good enough for Woo, it's good enough for you.
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