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Did interest in Tolkien just end forever two weeks ago?
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Mar 1, 2021 20:37
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this thread has its peaks and valleys. tbh we don't get many new people here, and pretty much all of us regulars already know all the answers to the common questions about middle earth. Like we are not going to explain how the elves got to Valinor to each other despite the fact that we all would likely write thesis papers of responses to earnest questions. I've thought about reviving the old ask/tell Tolkien thread, or starting a new one, but 
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Mar 1, 2021 21:00
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CommonShore posted:Did interest in Tolkien just end forever two weeks ago? has he written any new books?
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Mar 1, 2021 21:05
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A friend of mine messaged me with a question that he said my "unique outlook might be useful for"quote:Magic the Gathering is going to put out a set sometime in the future that is a literal LOTR set. A a major Tolkien fan with no interest in the card game, how does that make you feel? I told him that having no idea what MTG was about, I had sort of assumed they did branded stuff like that all the time, but apparently no, they only just started last year. Would I be right in guessing then that this is the estate cashing in now that Christopher is gone?
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Mar 1, 2021 21:06
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Data Graham posted:A friend of mine messaged me with a question that he said my "unique outlook might be useful for" yeah that's cash it makes me feel bad
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Mar 1, 2021 21:10
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A little bit of that and a little bit of COVID loving over a game that thrives on the cramped, in-person environment of the FLGS (friendly local game shop) more than probably any other. Magic: the Gathering (and to a lesser extent, Pokemon and X-Wing) are literally the only tentpoles holding up the retail board game shop from Amazon oblivion. At the same time they announced the LOTR products they also announced a similar tie-in with Warhammer 40,000 and D&D (which Wizards owns anyway). So what you're seeing is massive boardgaming IPs forming up like Voltron to try to get through COVID. There's also just a general feeling that Magic has turned off some of the old fans with runaway power creep (the ban lists for recent sets are bigger than the ban lists for entire previous decades), controversies over community decisions, and salt over the digital versions of Wizards' games. Personally I think it's cool because as someone who started with literally the first full version of Magic back in 1994-1995, my favorite stuff was always the more generic D&D-inspired fantasy of their early sets than the more bespoke Magic-specific "lore" the game started to develop with sets like 'Fallen Empires', and I think M:TG is a cool game mechanically that might be interesting applied to other settings. I used to try every CCG that came out, including a lot that have been forgotten now -- the original LOTR game, Rage, Illuminati, Mechwarrior (BattleTech), Jyhad, Doom Troopers, LO5R, several versions of Star Wars, the actual paper WoW CCG, etc, etc. What I'm curious about is whether these will have the same cardbacks and be cross-playable with normal magic like the Godzilla cards they put out recently were (IIRC). Would be hilarious to throw a Giant Growth on a Peregrin Took card. Imagined fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Mar 1, 2021 |
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Mar 1, 2021 21:14
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A pro-click is the archive of cards for the old Decipher LOTR CCG. https://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/start
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Mar 1, 2021 21:32
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ChubbyChecker posted:has he written any new books? Well, the copyright owners have successfully negotiated at least one official crossover.
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Mar 1, 2021 21:32
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Data Graham posted:A friend of mine messaged me with a question that he said my "unique outlook might be useful for" Thought they'd sold it all to Amazon; did they keep the rights to, I dunno, cards? Games? Non-video stuff? Are we going to see Middle-earth Monopoly? Go to Mordor, go directly to Mordor, do not pass the Grey Havens, do not collect 200 Silmarils
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Mar 1, 2021 21:33
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Data Graham posted:A friend of mine messaged me with a question that he said my "unique outlook might be useful for" I'm kinda happy for the Tolkien descendants that they're getting to cash in but I'm also glad Christopher *didn't* cash in for a very, very long time. I'm glad my childhood was free of Legolas happy meal toys or Sexy Tauriel erotica. There was such a joy, back in the day, of discovery with the Lord of the Rings. Like finding a secret beauty of the world. That's gone now, it's all out there in the open. No more secrets in this Garden. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Mar 1, 2021 |
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Mar 1, 2021 21:35
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There was such a joy, back in the day, of discovery with the Lord of the Rings. Like finding a secret beauty of the world. That's gone now, it's all out there in the open. No more secrets in this Garden. For better or worse this is true of everything in the age of the internet. For example, I used to love the process of discovering music, and of being the local expert in obscure music among the people I knew IRL. You'd get a call, "Hey Imagined, who did the cover of that Cheap Trick song we heard the other day?". Now anyone with access to Google and Spotify can know as much as I ever did as fast as they can read it. Which is amazing but, like you said, also takes a little bit of the magic out of it. Even like, Magic the Gathering in the 90s was like, I only knew about the cards I'd seen in person. You'd hear rumors about a card and never even knew if it was a real card or bullshit someone made up. Now everybody looks at the spoilers for every card in every set before it even comes out.
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Mar 1, 2021 22:00
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Or like, posting in a forum. Why bother knowing all this obscure trivia I can whip out when someone mentions one of my pet interests if it'll just look like I skimmed Wikipedia in the last 30 seconds in order to impress everyone with my nerditude.
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Mar 1, 2021 22:29
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WoodrowSkillson posted:this thread has its peaks and valleys. tbh we don't get many new people here, and pretty much all of us regulars already know all the answers to the common questions about middle earth. Like we are not going to explain how the elves got to Valinor to each other despite the fact that we all would likely write thesis papers of responses to earnest questions. I've thought about reviving the old ask/tell Tolkien thread, or starting a new one, but they flew into space on a magical ship
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Mar 1, 2021 22:36
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Imagined posted:A pro-click is the archive of cards for the old Decipher LOTR CCG. https://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/start I liked that game :3
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Mar 1, 2021 22:40
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Imagined posted:A pro-click is the archive of cards for the old Decipher LOTR CCG. https://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/start It was a very good licensed game. I loved how in the first few sets you had a mix of fellowship heroes as your party and the traveling mechanic was really thematic. Later sets brought mono-elf, or mono-Rohan parties, which weren't nearly as fun. Still Middle-Earth: The Wizards was the best Tolkien card game ever.
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Mar 1, 2021 22:58
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I was gonna say, this isn't the first LOTR CCG is it? Relatedly Games Workshop has been doing miniatures & tabletop games for LOTR for ages. If anything MTG is getting in late.
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Mar 1, 2021 23:16
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Haven't licensed LOTR things been around for a while? Or is that just movie-tie ins? I used to have both a LOTR version of Risk and some starter set for the Warhammer-esque game Games Workshop put out (which I played a few times and they realized it would consume my entire life and budget if I got into it so I stopped). There's something a little sad about cash-grab tie-ins, but eventually this story is going to hit public domain, and then the real fun begins (Muppet version).
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Mar 1, 2021 23:32
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who can forget good ol' MERPS.
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Mar 1, 2021 23:37
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It's funny a poster specifically mentioned happy meals because I remember trying very hard to get all the burger king (?) glass mugs they made for the movies, and buying a friend a toy Galadriel ring from Toys R Us (RIP). Maybe they meant before the movies though.
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Mar 1, 2021 23:45
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There was also a Middle Earth TCG/LCG that was out and about in the mid 90s and it had characters from the Silmarillion, including the Valar. I only encountered it once, and didn't get to play it, so I can't remember any more details.
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Mar 1, 2021 23:46
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Imagined posted:It's funny a poster specifically mentioned happy meals because I remember trying very hard to get all the burger king (?) glass mugs they made for the movies, and buying a friend a toy Galadriel ring from Toys R Us (RIP). Maybe they meant before the movies though. Oh yeah I have all.the movie tie in figures and.mugs.thats why I said
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Mar 1, 2021 23:56
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Omnomnomnivore posted:Haven't licensed LOTR things been around for a while? Or is that just movie-tie ins? I used to have both a LOTR version of Risk and some starter set for the Warhammer-esque game Games Workshop put out (which I played a few times and they realized it would consume my entire life and budget if I got into it so I stopped). Mostly movie tie-ins, IIRC, since you can license derivative products like Lego sets, video games, etc as being based on "the LOTR movies" as opposed to "LOTR in general". Though I dunno how that MMO got licensed
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Mar 2, 2021 00:05
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CommonShore posted:Did interest in Tolkien just end forever two weeks ago? I have to admit, I was starting to think my last post had killed the thread.
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Mar 2, 2021 00:10
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Goblin Craft posted:I have to admit, I was starting to think my last post had killed the thread. You posted too greedily and too deep.
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Mar 2, 2021 03:09
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Data Graham posted:Or like, posting in a forum. Why bother knowing all this obscure trivia I can whip out when someone mentions one of my pet interests if it'll just look like I skimmed Wikipedia in the last 30 seconds in order to impress everyone with my nerditude. You can use your encyclopedic knowledge to make stupid jokes or ask stupid questions. I, for one, am still wondering who among the Fellowship had a comb on them. Teriyaki Hairpiece fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Mar 2, 2021 |
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Mar 2, 2021 06:28
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Sam would, 100%. Probably left it behind when he dived for the boat. Or it was Merry or Pippin's foot comb.
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Mar 2, 2021 08:38
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I, for one, am still wondering who among the Fellowship had a comb on them. Given how "iron age Germanic" the overall culture of Middle-earth is, and how important good hair and beard grooming was in those cultures, I'm sure most of the Fellowship carried one. At the bare minimum Boromir, being an aristocrat, almost certainly had a grooming kit in his baggage.
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Mar 2, 2021 09:09
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GimpInBlack posted:Given how "iron age Germanic" the overall culture of Middle-earth is, and how important good hair and beard grooming was in those cultures, I'm sure most of the Fellowship carried one. At the bare minimum Boromir, being an aristocrat, almost certainly had a grooming kit in his baggage. sam and gandalf were the only non-aristos in the group
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Mar 2, 2021 10:43
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ChubbyChecker posted:sam and gandalf were the only non-aristos in the group You are, of course, correct--I was discounting the Hobbits because they're very much an exception to the "Germanic Iron Age" cultural motifs I was talking about (being more 19th-century English country gentlemen), Aragorn because kind of his whole thing is hiding his aristocracy until it's time to reveal himself and otherwise looking like a scruffy hobo, and Legolas because he's a goddamn Elf and clearly needs no grooming products to look fabulous at all times. But I should amend that statement to "bare minimum Boromir and Gimli probably had grooming kits in their baggage."
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Mar 2, 2021 11:42
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GimpInBlack posted:Aragorn because kind of his whole thing is hiding his aristocracy until it's time to reveal himself and otherwise looking like a scruffy hobo
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Mar 2, 2021 12:01
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CommonShore posted:yeah that's cash Next up: D*vid *ddings finally writing the LotR sequel he was denied originally.
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Mar 2, 2021 12:04
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Can't look like a king without fabulous hair. May not have had a comb, but had something that could work as one in a pinch. a fair brow is the only thing you need
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Mar 2, 2021 12:06
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Omnomnomnivore posted:(Muppet version). I'd watch it. I'd also watch a movie version of Bored of the Rings.
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Mar 2, 2021 12:06
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CommonShore posted:There was also a Middle Earth TCG/LCG that was out and about in the mid 90s and it had characters from the Silmarillion, including the Valar. I only encountered it once, and didn't get to play it, so I can't remember any more details. It was great in a very unbalanced and experimental kind of way. It's was contemporary with the early Magic, so there was no exact blueprint on how to make a ccg yet. Players controlled fellowship led by one of the 5 wizards that travelled across the map of middle-earth. Goal was to gather allies and equipment to defeat the Sauron. Technically there was a win condition for 'dunking' the One ring at the Mount Doom, but that was mostly a novelty gimmick deck. Half your deck was bad guy cards and other half was good guy cards. Playing good guy cards gave resources for the opponent to play their bad guys, like Orcs, Drakes and corruption, but also let you draw more cards at the end of the turn to fill your hand. There was also dice used to randomize combat results and whether your dudes succumbed to corruption. First few sets were pretty clear, but it got way complicated with adding 'fallen Wizards' faction, Balrog-faction and Nazgul-faction, with their own mechanics.
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Mar 2, 2021 12:12
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Omnomnomnivore posted:Haven't licensed LOTR things been around for a while? Or is that just movie-tie ins? I used to have both a LOTR version of Risk and some starter set for the Warhammer-esque game Games Workshop put out (which I played a few times and they realized it would consume my entire life and budget if I got into it so I stopped). 
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Mar 2, 2021 12:15
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Can't look like a king without fabulous hair. May not have had a comb, but had something that could work as one in a pinch. Aragorn strikes me as the kind of dude who never packs his own toiletries and just uses the disposable courtesy combs from the concierge of the Sheraton Caras Galadhon, TBH.
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Mar 2, 2021 13:05
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It was pointed out that Boromir is described has having his hair "shorn about his shoulders" when he comes riding panting and bedraggled into Rivendell after 110 days on the road, so clearly he's had to take time out to get a trim once or twice.
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Mar 2, 2021 13:08
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Boromir had beautiful flowing long hair so yeah he probably took care of it
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Mar 2, 2021 13:26
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I watched an episode of that it was kinda endearing even if they mix up Kuo-Tua and Grogs https://twitter.com/Wizards_DnD/status/1356641032226680832?s=20
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Mar 2, 2021 13:45
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Yall are overthinking this and basically any person from antiquity onwards would prefer to be groomed vs not groomed so the default should always be that yes they carried some soap and grooming materials with them. Obviously you can't carry 4 months worth in a pack but they would be as clean as possible.
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Mar 2, 2021 15:28
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