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UnknownTarget posted:I was listening to this breakdown of the worst jobs in Warhammer 40k because Youtube's algo suggested it after watching a streamer get into WH40k. 40k started as basically a fairly obvious satire about the dark future that fascism, religious totalitarianism, and such would create. however, it's questionable how long that held out. i know by the time i quit playing 40k about a decade ago, there was no shortage of people who were a bit too into the imperium of man. it didn't help that a lot of the material that GW had put out saw the imperium as the good guys - a necessary evil. it's been confounded more during recent releases where, like, the problem with the imperium is religion and there's a new imperium which is still an orgy of necessary evil fascism but with a 'we're the real good guys' veneer. it's closely related to how alt-right people love to shout DEUS VULT and such. of course, my first ever experience with Warhammer fandom was finding a flier that featured the imperial aquila and it turned out to be a white power organization, and this was back in the 90s, so...
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What is the story of the stimpire? I thought it was a goon joke about dumb grimdark fiction.
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oh yeah and they've put out children's books - as opposed to books for manchildren - where the kids are like, yeah, the only good mutant is a dead mutant and i'm not exactly one to clutch pearls about the media kids consume but i'm not sure it's responsible to aim your grimdark satire universe at a reading age of 8-12.
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I absolutely love how backers pay for all this poo poo.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:What is the story of the stimpire? I thought it was a goon joke about dumb grimdark fiction. I tried to google for the original Spectrum post, and... err... it seems it got quite popular
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Sarsapariller posted:I re-read The Mote In God's Eye last month as part of a general trip back through some old sci-fi staples and wow it does not hold up at all. The rationale for the space travel is still fine but just 50 years on from when it was written society has altered so radically that the scenario described in the story just sounds ludicrous. All of that, indeed. In fact, it would probably be a good book to critique for lit 101. It also puts the things they were interested in/did right in even sharper relief, and highlights that you kind of have to pick your battles as a writer. They wanted to write sci-fi, but exactly which sciences qualified was subject to the availability, presumptions and prejudices of its era (and what buddies they could call upon for those select few get-it-right items).
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When we are all elevated jellies floating in the quasital nestopolax, I will author the best science fiction that has ever scienced fiction. But I can only do that once we leave this coil of chained science knowledge to the next stage of development.
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NumptyScrub posted:I tried to google for the original Spectrum post, and... err... it seems it got quite popular Spectrum was the original place? Any clues about roughly when and why it was posted? Was it trolling or insane fanfic?
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Tippis posted:All of that, indeed. The concept of a civilization that intentionally builds itself around cyclic apocalypses and develops infrastructure specifically for that is interesting.
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I think CIG are slipping in their old age, the old CIG would totally have charged money to reserve ship names. Buy a 10 pack for only $999!
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Popete posted:WH40k does not make the Imperium of Man the good guys, it's pretty upfront that humanity has descended into a dystopian hell hole where life has no meaning. It's a dark future setting with no real good guys but it creates a compelling setting for story telling. Uhhh great but the official canon story behind these ridiculous assassins is absolutely stimpirical. War orphans from dead planets forced into the hunger games or executed by the guards en masse on giant floating spaceships delivering them to an assassin group that pumps them full of chemicals and makes them insane but also freezes them in carbonite to drop them out of a spaceship in a drop ship because they go so insane they can’t do anything but kill everyone around them but are also galaxy brain assassins
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Tippis posted:All of that, indeed. It really felt like he had preemptively invented the AI-genie-in-a-bottle genre of science fiction, without access to or understanding of how computers would evolve. The central question of- this thing is smarter than you, it obviously wants something, but it could be hugely beneficial to let it out or devastatingly bad for everyone ever, so how do you judge? That's still interesting today. Unfortunately the way he chose to compose the threat- sneaky rapidly-breeding foreigners- makes it really distasteful now, but eh- he was always more of an ideas guy. I'm excited to see if Ringworld holds up any better.
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i am a moron posted:Uhhh great but the official canon story behind these ridiculous assassins is absolutely stimpirical. War orphans from dead planets forced into the hunger games or executed by the guards en masse on giant floating spaceships delivering them to an assassin group that pumps them full of chemicals and makes them insane but also freezes them in carbonite to drop them out of a spaceship in a drop ship because they go so insane they can’t do anything but kill everyone around them but are also galaxy brain assassins But at least that's creative! Lean into your dystopian hell hole setting. CIGs universe doesn't have anything that stands out about it, it's a vaguely futuristic sci-fi setting where people spend all day eating hot dogs and burritos well flying crates of hand mined gems between planets. Stimpire might be the best lore Star Citizen has ever produced and it isn't even official canon. Look at how incredibly boring the CIG lore team are, they write article after article about the same ~5 ship manufacturers.
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i am a moron posted:Uhhh great but the official canon story behind these ridiculous assassins is absolutely stimpirical. War orphans from dead planets forced into the hunger games or executed by the guards en masse on giant floating spaceships delivering them to an assassin group that pumps them full of chemicals and makes them insane but also freezes them in carbonite to drop them out of a spaceship in a drop ship because they go so insane they can’t do anything but kill everyone around them but are also galaxy brain assassins Your point? When you can pack 5,000,000,000 people into a city, poo poo gets weird
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To contribute to WH40k chat- I've been through the whole gamut of reactions to 40K, from "This is cool and I like the tongue in cheek satire of the imperium and all the Dune/Foundation references everywhere but personally I'm gonna play the planet-devouring bug swarm" in the early 2000's to "Okay this is just explicitly-encoded nazi wank-fic" in the mid-2010's to my position now, where I think some interesting stories have been told in the universe but by and large it's suffering from the same IP fatigue as Marvel and DC properties. The owners are basically going to strip-mine every last penny out of the universe by taking every remaining grey area or unknown and turning it into another sales opportunity. But the core of the setting is so dominated by CIS WHITE MALE things that it effectively can't be extended beyond the existing demographic. So the whole universe is now righteous sexless muscle men crying manly tears as they genocide each other, everything is explicitly targeted towards a 13 year old boy's concept of what is cool, and it sucks rear end. There's no fun little callouts or deep literary references anymore, there's no humanity to 90% of the characters, it's just big battle setpiece after setpiece without justification or usually any consequence. It used to be a place for a bunch of authors to play, and now it's just another vehicle to extract cash from paypigs. Sarsapariller fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Mar 2, 2021 |
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Spectrum was the original place? Any clues about roughly when and why it was posted? Was it trolling or insane fanfic? I think it was 2014ish, in the part of Spectrum reserved for fanfics and whatnot. IIRC it stayed there for a while before the mods took it down, too. 'Insane fanfic' is about the sum of it. I guess it could also be a troll *disguised* as an insane fanfic, but in the event they basically amount to the same thing. The author didn't comment much beyond a vague "I wanted to write a dystopia and it just kept going and going" comment, and I might be misremembering that. SMEGMA_MAIL posted:The concept of a civilization that intentionally builds itself around cyclic apocalypses and develops infrastructure specifically for that is interesting. Mass Effect has some of this. It doesn't do anything wildly interesting with it, but it has it!
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40K is GI Joe with novels instead of a cartoon show, change my mind
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Sarsapariller posted:To contribute to WH40k chat- Sarsapariller posted:40K is GI Joe with novels instead of a cartoon show, change my mind Ravenor, Eisenhorn, and maybe Gaunt and Cain are pretty much the only bits worth reading. Edit: titanicus and double eagle were dope too
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Perhaps there is some irony that Blizzard has arguably done something more interesting with the WH40K IP than they themselves have
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Spectrum was the original place? Any clues about roughly when and why it was posted? Was it trolling or insane fanfic? The Sickening and Heartbreaking Truths of the Fourth Stimpire Banshee: Introduction & Prologue Banshee Origins: The Ten Stimpires
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By posting even a few sentences about the mechanics of Star Citizen’s lore, you’ve already put more original thought into it than Chris. He’s a cultural and artistic vulture, only capable of picking out isolated fragments of other sci-fi franchises that he likes for their aesthetic value, then stripping them of all context and meaning before shoving them into his game.
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.random posted:Perhaps there is some irony that Blizzard has arguably done something more interesting with the WH40K IP than they themselves have Did they? Starcafts Story ended in "the true mastermind badguy was an unseen force all along!
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:Did they? Starcafts Story ended in "the true mastermind badguy was an unseen force all along! Yeah, no, I admit, it was a lazy troll
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BigglesSWE posted:I feel like taking over the development of SC at this point would be kind of like taking over the rule of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYz1ADttI1g
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Sarsapariller posted:It really felt like he had preemptively invented the AI-genie-in-a-bottle genre of science fiction, without access to or understanding of how computers would evolve. The central question of- this thing is smarter than you, it obviously wants something, but it could be hugely beneficial to let it out or devastatingly bad for everyone ever, so how do you judge? That's still interesting today. Unfortunately the way he chose to compose the threat- sneaky rapidly-breeding foreigners- makes it really distasteful now, but eh- he was always more of an ideas guy. I'm excited to see if Ringworld holds up any better. I've read maybe 1½ books in the Ringworld series and it's so-so. Very little of interest ever happens. Protector is sort of entertaining, though, even if the premise is kind of bizarre. Edit: though I will say that the concept of aliens intentionally influencing Earth governments to institute a lottery for the right to have kids with the secret purpose to see if breeding a super lucky human was possible was somewhat creative, even if the first book really didn't do anything interesting with it after that. Bofast fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Mar 2, 2021 |
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Pixelate posted:"I've never been able to sell anything at ARC - go to Hurston.
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UnknownTarget posted:I was listening to this breakdown of the worst jobs in Warhammer 40k because Youtube's algo suggested it after watching a streamer get into WH40k. I mean, its not meant to be aspirational by any means. Its like a horror story. How are people into Saw or Texas Chainsaw Massacre? Its exciting. You're not meant to like the stuff. 40K is fun as basically someone taking Dune, scaling up everything x10,000, and then dropping in every other sci-fi concept you can rip-off (Xenomorphs, Greys, Terminators, Fantasy Orcs, whatever the gently caress) 40K is taking the absurd scale of World War and scaling it even further past absurd to the completely insane. The concept of a war across a galaxy where an entire planet is not just engaged in conflict, but is merely a single battleground just kinda blows my mind in the way I like sci-fi to blow my mind. Thinking about just the sheer scale of space... its cool, man. Obviously, said inter-galactic war would be INSANELY AWFUL. But depicting it is interesting and exciting, in the way that videogames are. And as much as it may be super grim and macabre compared to the happy-go-lucky adventures of something like Star Wars, you have to admit that by comparison Star Wars is basically whitewashing the effects of what a real space war would be like. But definitely some 40k stories are better than others and the hobby does have some undesirables who are into it for the wrong reasons. But also GW seems to be going in good directions now so, yeah. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Mar 2, 2021 |
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War wouldn't happen. Like the fact that you can nudge an asteroid and create a planet killer makes all war in these low fi settings stupid. Legend of the Galactic Heroes is a treatise how this war would look like and how pointless it would be
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Horizon Burning posted:40k started as basically a fairly obvious satire about the dark future that fascism, religious totalitarianism, and such would create. Anyway, this applies to almost any setting or IP. And I guess this is how 's mind operates when he steals from other settings. Dwesa fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Mar 2, 2021 |
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Pixelate posted:Occasionally, just occasionally, Star Citizen inspires something beautiful
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Dwesa posted:This deserves more views, but I don't understand why are people playing a game that frustrates them. Isn't the point of playing games having a good time? In roguelikes or Dark Souls, you're at least trying to solve a problem until you beat the boss or whatever, but in SC they're just trying to avoid bugs. As a content locust. I approve.
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Backers are sharing some ship names already: When someone asked who is Derek Smart posted:An indie game looser of tragic magnitude, hating CR since two decades as CR is delivering space games he can only dream about. Forget at once about him, nothing good will come from him but hate.
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I upgraded my Pisces to the expedition model - and now I am unable to name my Carrack. So - let me get this straight - by giving you EVEN MORE MONEY I completely hosed myself out of being able to claim a unique name at the earliest possibility? How can you possibly think you are smart right now, CIG? Go back to the drawing board. Retract this idiotic unique naming convention. Also, look at yourself in the mirror and question your life choices.
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Horizon Burning posted:40k started as basically a fairly obvious satire about the dark future that fascism, religious totalitarianism, and such would create. Space fantasy is also a mostly underserved subgenre of scifi in gaming circles, so 40k does fill a niche with its setting too. That said I agree it's managed to retain alot of far right types who overlooks its satirical/dystopian themes and idealize the imperium. Worst are the ones like Arch Warhammer who use their lore channels to sneak in alt-right talking points. There are a handful of creators like Bruva Alfabusa who get the satirical undertones. I would not be shocked if you find alot of overlap with the 40k alt right segments and groups like XenoThreat in Star Citizen. Postorder Trollet89 fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Mar 2, 2021 |
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Sarsapariller posted:It really felt like he had preemptively invented the AI-genie-in-a-bottle genre of science fiction, without access to or understanding of how computers would evolve. The central question of- this thing is smarter than you, it obviously wants something, but it could be hugely beneficial to let it out or devastatingly bad for everyone ever, so how do you judge? That's still interesting today. Unfortunately the way he chose to compose the threat- sneaky rapidly-breeding foreigners- makes it really distasteful now, but eh- he was always more of an ideas guy. I'm excited to see if Ringworld holds up any better. Oh man I just read Ringworld a couple months ago, prepare to be underwhelmed. Imagine dreaming up the biggest dumbest possible object, a megastructure so vast in scale that all of human civilization could comfortably fit into a tiny fraction of it, and then.... that’s pretty much it. And if you thought he had weird ideas about women then it’s about to get even weirder and less comfortable.
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Popete posted:But at least that's creative! Lean into your dystopian hell hole setting. CIGs universe doesn't have anything that stands out about it, it's a vaguely futuristic sci-fi setting where people spend all day eating hot dogs and burritos well flying crates of hand mined gems between planets. BrotherJayne posted:Your point? It’s all really stupid, sorry about your miniatures game awful writing
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Dwesa posted:Backers are sharing some ship names already: Interesting that Uncle Derek made it past their AI enhanced filter.
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Dwesa posted:This deserves more views, but I don't understand why are people playing a game that frustrates them. Isn't the point of playing games having a good time? In roguelikes or Dark Souls, you're at least trying to solve a problem until you beat the boss or whatever, but in SC they're just trying to avoid bugs. I think most people that actually play the game are doing it for the same reason as that guy - twitch views.
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