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live with fruit posted:What kind of fights do the Young Avengers typically fight? Like, do they have to rescue the grown Avengers or something? From what I remember like a lot of super teams the YA are specifically pulled together to combat a particular threat/enemy. They debuted in the wake of Avengers Disassembled (when Wanda went crazy and hosed the Avengers up) and into Civil War where the Avengers were all fighting. Then like Vision's programming had a default in case the Avengers ever disbanded to try and make a replacement or something. And then they all turn out to have super powered drama when their parents are all heroes, villains, and aliens.
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Mar 2, 2021 21:57
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STAC Goat posted:From what I remember like a lot of super teams the YA are specifically pulled together to combat a particular threat/enemy. They debuted in the wake of Avengers Disassembled (when Wanda went crazy and hosed the Avengers up) and into Civil War where the Avengers were all fighting. Then like Vision's programming had a default in case the Avengers ever disbanded to try and make a replacement or something. And then they all turn out to have super powered drama when their parents are all heroes, villains, and aliens. This but also they never got like, a proper long running series because after their initial intro run the writers were doing some tv stuff (they might have been tv people who came and did the comic, not sure and not looking it up) and Marvel seemed to not want to give anyone else the steering wheel to make huge story decisions for them for awhile so they just kinda, span their wheels for a bit and showed up in other stuff occasionally but never really having huge stuff happen to them. Eventually they gave up when it became clear the writers were not coming back and started giving them character development like Kate Bishop featuring heavily in the Matt Fraction Hawkeye run.
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Mar 2, 2021 22:04
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Yeah, the Young Avengers are kind of significant almost just because its something Marvel DIDN'T do for a very long time. DC had the Teen Titans since the 50s and every hero had a teen sidekick who was friends with Robin for awhile. Marvel had teen heroes and teen teams but they were either big deals in their own way like Spider-Man and X-Men or C listers like New Warriors or Power Pack. So when Marvel did the Young Avengers it was a big deal because it was an old idea Marvel had avoided for a long time. I think. Its been awhile.
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Mar 2, 2021 22:11
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I liked that last Young Avengers story line where the villain can only be noticed by young people. It also has this great page  and this one at the end 
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Mar 2, 2021 22:25
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Robot Hobo posted:Agents of SHIELD's final season was all about time travel. The explanation there was basically the same as in Endgame, but with the added detail that the timeline can absorb and correct for small changes, but it splinters when it hits a big change that it can't smooth out. "Make ripples, not waves" was the line they kept using. If that time travel explanation is true, it wouldn't be only taking an Infinity stone that causes a timeline to split, it would be any change too big to be smoothed out... of which a missing Infinity stone would definitely qualify. Taking the stones and then returning them just moments afterward is still a change, but a tiny one that the timeline can adapt to without much hassle. I miss Farscape so much and the connection to MCU was that James Gunn said that Gaurdians was influenced by Farscape, so much so that Ben Browder is in the Vol. 2.
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Mar 2, 2021 22:46
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What is a multiverse if not multiple timelines that branched off from each other at some point? They're all similar but different for reasons? How do the comics explain it? Genuine question, not trying to be snarky just trying to jive "only the infinity stones can create branches and they were all trimmed in Endgame" and "MCU Phase 4 is all about multiverses"
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Mar 2, 2021 23:04
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Hobo Clown posted:What is a multiverse if not multiple timelines that branched off from each other persevering?
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Mar 2, 2021 23:06
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I always thought the all the multiverses existed at all times - if you go back in time you go to that relevant point in time in an identical universe but your presence causes it to diverge from what happened in yours. It’s not like they ‘create’ a universe either by going back in time or removing an infinity stone.
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Mar 2, 2021 23:56
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Hobo Clown posted:What is a multiverse if not multiple timelines that branched off from each other at some point? They're all similar but different for reasons? How do the comics explain it? Well you can have dimensions that have fundamentally different laws than yours. We already saw these in the first Dr Strange when the ancient one was flexing on him by pulling him through a bunch of weird dimensions, as well as Dormammu's dark dimension. Two of the biggest contenders for the big bad of Strange 2 are Mephisto, ruler of the hell dimension and Shuma-Gorath, who rules multiple chaotic universes. Ant Man had the microverse, which is where the original wasp was stuck for decades (In the comics at least this is a realm of its own, and not just a really tiny place). There are also pocket dimensions like the Mojoverse.
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Mar 3, 2021 00:03
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Dracula has basically been a Marvel villain for years, Blade and all, and has fought everyone from the X-Men to Luke Cage. I've got a signed Clairmont X-Men issue that features Dracula. Also if the new Blade movie features him in his original costume it will be the greatest movie ever and I will kill and eat anyone that disagrees.
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Mar 3, 2021 00:21
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Lammasu posted:I've got a signed Clairmont X-Men issue that features Dracula. Also if the new Blade movie features him in his original costume it will be the greatest movie ever and I will kill and eat anyone that disagrees. Rather have Dracula in an X-Men film feuding with Doctor Doom for Storm’s affection.
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Mar 3, 2021 00:59
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howe_sam posted:America Chavez is in Dr Strange 2 as well. Wait, really?
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Mar 3, 2021 01:45
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Technowolf posted:Wait, really? Xochitl Gómez is the actress.
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Mar 3, 2021 02:05
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Desperado Bones posted:Xochitl Gómez is the actress. She is way more baby-faced than would imagine for a character who punches reality so hard she creates multiverse portals.
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Mar 3, 2021 02:34
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Desperado Bones posted:Xochitl Gómez is the actress. Huh didn’t know this. So are they going to have an actual gay character in the movies? Seems like a bigger deal than the passing reference in Endgame.
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Mar 3, 2021 02:35
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What’s the method of time travel in Agents of SHIELD? Is it the same kind of quantum realm fuckery they use in Endgame, or something else? I feel like I finally have a unified time travel theory as it works in the MCU in my head, but AoS could screw it all up. (and if it does, then screw it, they don’t count)
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Mar 3, 2021 02:38
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iirc, they used magic rocks.
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Mar 3, 2021 02:40
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Kung Food posted:She is way more baby-faced than would imagine for a character who punches reality so hard she creates multiverse portals. I guess they are going for actual teens/children for young avengers (if that's why they aiming to), and less sexy 20 year olds pretending to be teens. And kids grow fast, you'll blink and all of them will be grown ups. Which is what's happened to the Stranger Things and Spiderman cast. It's also gonna take a while for a new Avengers team to be assembled.
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Mar 3, 2021 02:40
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Kung Food posted:She is way more baby-faced than would imagine for a character who punches reality so hard she creates multiverse portals. I'm still somewhat confused and a bit apprehensive as to why they'd cast the character that young (Gomez is only 14), but hopefully it makes more sense in context. who knows, maybe they'll magically age up and recast the character after DS2, idk
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Mar 3, 2021 02:40
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OldSenileGuy posted:What’s the method of time travel in Agents of SHIELD? Is it the same kind of quantum realm fuckery they use in Endgame, or something else? I feel like I finally have a unified time travel theory as it works in the MCU in my head, but AoS could screw it all up. (and if it does, then screw it, they don’t count) Ancient alien rocks.
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Mar 3, 2021 02:41
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Edmund Lava posted:Huh didn’t know this. So are they going to have an actual gay character in the movies? Seems like a bigger deal than the passing reference in Endgame. If I'm not wrong there's gonna be an openly gay couple in one of the new movies.
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Mar 3, 2021 02:42
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Desperado Bones posted:If I'm not wrong there's gonna be an openly gay couple in one of the new movies. Two of the Eternals are a gay couple. I don't really know anything about those characters, so not sure if they usually are or if it was a change for the movie.
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Mar 3, 2021 02:43
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Ancient alien rocks. Boy that show really went places, huh?
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Mar 3, 2021 02:44
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OldSenileGuy posted:Boy that show really went places, huh? The last season features Phil Coulson going to hell and then being reborn as a sentient robot that gets stuck in a time loop and fucks Ming-Na Wen. Also, they go back in time to find a young Bill Paxton who gets teleporting powers after a nazi injects him with the blood of a man with no eyes.
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Mar 3, 2021 02:47
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Two of the Eternals are a gay couple. I don't really know anything about those characters, so not sure if they usually are or if it was a change for the movie. It alternately amuses and concerns me that the current cast lists have them as ’Phastos’ and ‘Phastos’ husband’. Like, I’m sure he does actually have a name, but at the same time, I’m already tempering my expectation for him to not have one.
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Mar 3, 2021 02:47
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AoS loving around with time travel might be someone from Marvel Studios being like "okay, we need to make the pre-WandaVision shows not required watching but we still want to bring in elements from the shows we like, any thoughts?" Kind of the same way how they're probably going to bring some of the X-Men into the MCU.
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Mar 3, 2021 02:50
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Two of the Eternals are a gay couple. I don't really know anything about those characters, so not sure if they usually are or if it was a change for the movie. it's Brian Tyree Henry's character, Phastos, who as far as I know is not gay or bi in the comics. his husband's name hasn't been revealed and he's absent from the marketing materials, though the actor playing him (Haaz Sleiman) has confirmed the role in interviews, so I can't say I'm optimistic about their relationship getting much screen time. and Wiccan/Hulkling... well, there's an awful lot of rumor or speculation, and a fair bit of concern, about what Marvel Studios might or might not be doing with them, but we should probably hold off on that one until Friday.
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Mar 3, 2021 02:51
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OldSenileGuy posted:What’s the method of time travel in Agents of SHIELD? Is it the same kind of quantum realm fuckery they use in Endgame, or something else? I feel like I finally have a unified time travel theory as it works in the MCU in my head, but AoS could screw it all up. (and if it does, then screw it, they don’t count) In season three took the fatalistic approach that it was impossible to change the timeline, but that was less time travel and more clairvoyance. Season five onward they time traveled through magic rocks, but they’re actions in the past didn’t blip people out back to the future style. The final season dealt with alternate realities and quantum realm stuff. So nothing contradictory.
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Mar 3, 2021 02:55
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Barry Convex posted:I'm still somewhat confused and a bit apprehensive as to why they'd cast the character that young (Gomez is only 14), but hopefully it makes more sense in context. who knows, maybe they'll magically age up and recast the character after DS2, idk I was on my phone so I can't type that fast lol I was thinking that if they are really,really hoping to create a Young Avengers, or a new Avengers team, they are aiming for this children to be young adults/older by the time the new big movie, of the aftermath movie is a thing. Let's say it takes 5 years for that movie to be made. Xochitl* would be 19, Julian Hilliard 14 and so on. All the big Avengers would be already too old for it so they could make a nice passing the torch. *You pronounce it "So-cheel".
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Mar 3, 2021 03:08
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Bleck posted:vibranium is an extremely rare and tightly controlled resource, there was kind of a whole movie about it Well, it was. It's quite possible that T'Challa loosened up on the supply a little after Black Panther. Honestly, I figure that's how Cap, Widow etc along with Wanda got their pardons. Figure before the big battle with Thanos (and possibly even before the folks got to Wakanda in Infinity War, T'Challa called Secretary Ross and demanded full pardons/dropped charges for those listed as fugitives in the wake of the Civil War on pain of the Vibranium tap getting turned back off. Once the paperwork went through, figure Vision had people start building the house (and the building stopped when he couldn't keep paying them because he was dead).
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Mar 3, 2021 03:10
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Desperado Bones posted:I was on my phone so I can't type that fast lol Yeah, my thought was that we aren't getting the full character, just that she shows up someone and maybe gets her powers as part of the movie, I don't expect her to be a practiced super hero or anything. Then in a couple years as it builds she will get more and more screen time. How old is the actress that was cast as Ms. Marvel?
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Mar 3, 2021 03:11
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Desperado Bones posted:I guess they are going for actual teens/children for young avengers (if that's why they aiming to), and less sexy 20 year olds pretending to be teens. And kids grow fast, you'll blink and all of them will be grown ups. Which is what's happened to the Stranger Things and Spiderman cast. Its part of what feeds my theory that Young Avengers is a Phase 5 thing. The castings all make sense if you're thinking "teen heroes in 3-5 years" and not just "has to pass as a teen right now."
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Mar 3, 2021 03:12
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swickles posted:Yeah, my thought was that we aren't getting the full character, just that she shows up someone and maybe gets her powers as part of the movie, I don't expect her to be a practiced super hero or anything. Then in a couple years as it builds she will get more and more screen time. How old is the actress that was cast as Ms. Marvel? Iman Vellani seem to be around 19. She would totally be the adult one in the group if that's what they are planning. Edit: They def. casting people in certain age range. STAC Goat posted:Its part of what feeds my theory that Young Avengers is a Phase 5 thing. The castings all make sense if you're thinking "teen heroes in 3-5 years" and not just "has to pass as a teen right now." Yeah, it's easy to tell they are planning for the future. This is not a now, but something for around a decade or less later.
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Mar 3, 2021 03:17
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Desperado Bones posted:I was on my phone so I can't type that fast lol well, on top of asking fans to wait five years or more for the actors playing LGBT characters to age up, in a franchise starved for LGBT representation, you're not getting a gay Wiccan/Hulkling romance on screen with a 14-year-old actor playing Billy, at least not in any form that most fans of that pairing in the comics would be happy with which brings me to what I was alluding to last post: with Chavez being cast so young, and it still being an open question whether Tommy/Billy will be aged up anytime soon, and with canonically straight YA members Kate Bishop and Cassie Lang both being played by actors well into their twenties... well, if the twins aren't aged up in the WV finale, it would certainly raise the concern that Marvel Studios is deliberately casting LGBT characters very young so they have an excuse not to do romantic subplots with said characters anytime soon. that might sound a bit paranoid, but it's not like Marvel Studios has exactly earned any benefit of the doubt with respect to LGBT representation STAC Goat posted:Its part of what feeds my theory that Young Avengers is a Phase 5 thing. The castings all make sense if you're thinking "teen heroes in 3-5 years" and not just "has to pass as a teen right now." except that Hailee Steinfeld is 24, and with Cassie Lang, they actually replaced the teenage actor who played her in Endgame with another 24-year-old, Kathryn Newton Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Mar 3, 2021 |
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Mar 3, 2021 03:20
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Pigs, and by pigs I mean policemen, are gonna grow wings and fly by the time Marvel is openly pro LGBTQ+ Don't get your hopes too high, sadly this is a studio that will make sure all the gay characters are easily censored in other countries.
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Mar 3, 2021 03:36
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Desperado Bones posted:Pigs, and by pigs I mean policemen, are gonna grow wings and fly by the time Marvel is openly pro LGBTQ+ in theory, half the point of doing Young Avengers as a Disney+ series would be that it would be less driven by global box office concerns. anyway... the WV finale may or may not significantly ease these concerns, we'll see in a few days Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Mar 3, 2021 |
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Mar 3, 2021 03:46
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Barry Convex posted:in theory, half the point of doing Young Avengers as a Disney+ series would be that it would be less driven by global box office concerns. I'm going to miss WandaVision and Bettany/Olsen on my TV. Falcon/Winter Soldier looks watchable, but the next Marvel thing I really want to see is Loki. Tom Hiddleston channelling an even more amoral version of The Doctor in the MCU looks awesome.
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Mar 3, 2021 04:17
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Desperado Bones posted:Pigs, and by pigs I mean policemen, are gonna grow wings and fly by the time Marvel is openly pro LGBTQ+ I should point out that it wasn't China that prevented Avengers from having black or female superheroes or gay characters for the longest time, it was Ike Perlmutter.
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Mar 3, 2021 05:38
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Hobo Clown posted:What is a multiverse if not multiple timelines that branched off from each other at some point? They're all similar but different for reasons? How do the comics explain it? The official explanation in the comics is that time travel of any kind creates a new universe / timeline, because the past you're traveling to did not originally have you, a time traveller, in it. Similarly, if you then go back to your original time it won't actually be your original timeline, it'll be different (and you'd want it to be, otherwise there'd be no point going back in time to change things). Time travel is not special in this regard. Absolutely any action of any kind, no matter how small, creates a new universe because there's also the potential for something different to have happened. This means that there's an infinite number of universes, but also that an infinite sub-set of that infinity are functionally identical to each other. However, while there's an infinite number of universes, there's also a system of numerical notation for Marvel universes - the main comics universe is Earth-616, the Ultimates comics from the early 2000s are Earth-1610, the MCU is Earth-199999 and the Marvel vs Capcom games are Earth-30847. The general idea is that everything that ever happened in any Marvel property is canon, it just happens in different universes where different decisions were taken or fundamental things about the universe are different. The way this interacts with time travel is simply that universe designations follow stories. Following the time heist the MCU is now a different universe to one where they didn't time travel, but it's still Earth-199999 because that's the story we're following. The universes where the Avengers just gave up after failing to stop Thanos exist but have gone unnumbered because there's no story there. Therefore, as far as universe notation goes a change that makes two universes indistinguishable from a story-telling perspective might as well not have happened. I've not seen Agents of SHIELD but I assume this is what they were alluding to with the "ripples not waves" thing.
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