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The Pussy Boss
Nov 2, 2004

mcmagic posted:

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1367127876957442050

SIX of them in the house can kill the whole bill if there is no 15 dollar wage in it. SIX.

So you're saying house Dems should... force a vote?

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Zurtilik
Oct 23, 2015

The Biggest Brain in Guardia
Mainstream Dems are one step removed from just saying Hitler wanted M4A too.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

The Pussy Boss posted:

So you're saying house Dems should... force a vote?

/!\ DORE ALERT /!\

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

stellers bae posted:

is there a non-bullshit lib way to find out what's in the relief package? it seems insane to me that it's nearly two trillion dollars and the checks are small as gently caress and means tested, where the gently caress is all that money going

Theres no way because the senate hasn't published details of their version of the package yet, this mornings reporting is from a trial balloon to see what the public reaction will be

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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The Pussy Boss posted:

So you're saying house Dems should... force a vote?

Nope. There is already going to be a vote. No forced vote required. They should force the minimum wage increase to be in the bill.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
hey bros dont let the dore hit you on the way out

Grey Fox
Jan 5, 2004

if the Democrats actually had the hardon they claim to have for strictly following Senate rules, then ACB would be impeached by now.

The Pussy Boss
Nov 2, 2004

mcmagic posted:

Nope. There is already going to be a vote. No forced vote required. They should force the minimum wage increase to be in the bill.

But Manchin and Sinema already said they don't support $15/ hr. What's the point of including that in the bill when it has no chance of passing?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/janeosanders/status/1367145208505335813?s=19

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Marx Headroom posted:

theyre all retreading the greatest hits that got them into the millionaires club back in the 90s bc theyre old as poo poo and scared of banishment to the lower caste

the range of vision of the 800 people in the d.c. halls of power can fit into a box with a millimeter of cubic space . its pathetic

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

lmao

reminder: this is all they're going to accomplish between now and Nov 2022

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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The Pussy Boss posted:

But Manchin and Sinema already said they don't support $15/ hr. What's the point of including that in the bill when it has no chance of passing?

It doesn't have no chance of passing. I don't believe that Manchin and Sinema would vote against it and kill the rest of the bill. I think they would vote for it.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

spacemang_spliff posted:

lmao

reminder: this is all they're going to accomplish between now and Nov 2022

Well yeah the 2022 mid terms are right around the corner, we need to shift into defense mode to protect our vulnerable Democratic [sic] senators

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

:drat:

The Pussy Boss
Nov 2, 2004

mcmagic posted:

It doesn't have no chance of passing. I don't believe that Manchin and Sinema would vote against it and kill the rest of the bill. I think they would vote for it.

Its a symbolic vote that would fail in 15 minutes. We already know where congress members stand on $15/ hr. Why are you using this purity test on house progressives over a vote that's doomed to fail? What does it accomplish?

Organ Fiend
May 21, 2007

custom title

spacemang_spliff posted:

lmao

reminder: this is all they're going to accomplish between now and Nov 2022

Even though its not a new war, I think escalation/re-engagement in Syria counts as something. We should also be starting a war in a new country (maybe Iran!), if the history of recent presidents (except THE DANG CHEETO) holds up.

Bottomless Pinocchios

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

The Pussy Boss posted:

So you're saying house Dems should... force a vote?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
We're still getting content

https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1367159863315431426?s=19
https://twitter.com/MandelaFace/status/1367163937284755456?s=19

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

stellers bae posted:

is there a non-bullshit lib way to find out what's in the relief package? it seems insane to me that it's nearly two trillion dollars and the checks are small as gently caress and means tested, where the gently caress is all that money going

See the embedded graph in https://money.yahoo.com/house-passes-biden-relief-package-including-stimulus-checks-070640949.html and its source
https://www.crfb.org/blogs/president-bidens-19-trillion-covid-plan-vs-gop-618-billion-plan-comparison

Payments (as of Feb. 10 before the recent changes): ~$450 billion
Unemployment: $350 billion
Expand Tax Credits for Low- and Middle-Income Households: $130 billion

so only $930 billion, slightly less than half, is direct financial support, and then there are some worthwhile programs with smaller amounts such as $35 billion for housing assistance and homelessness, $40 billion for child care funding, which should probably be grouped together into their own category in a way the graph doesn't do.

The parts subsidizing businesses are "Extend Paid Family and Sick Leave: ~$50 billion", meaning compensating businesses for extended paid family and sick leave for the duration of the pandemic, and "Provide Additional Small Business Support: $50 billion", aside from $92 billion for health insurance subsidies

The state and local aid is probably necessary under the current circumstances, but IMO the government should take on as many responsibilities from state and local government as possible, leaving only things like repair of local roads. People living under local governments that waste taxpayer dollars shouldn't be left to die and their children shouldn't be left in underfunded schools. But that would deny liberals' entertainment in seeing red state death, and they love their SALT tax exemptions

galenanorth has issued a correction as of 18:34 on Mar 3, 2021

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Since covid is over, blue check twitter is officially mask-off.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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These shitbrains think that someone making 81k is rich lol

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Matt "One Billion White Americans" Yglesias

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008


jamaal bowman is an education professional; matt yglesias is an rear end in a top hat

obviously I side with matty on this one, we support our own

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

mcmagic posted:

These shitbrains think that someone making 81k is rich lol

It's double funny because one of the groups most greatly impacted by this change are PMCs, which are exactly the people democrats wish were their base.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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I already had 3 people text me saying they aren't gonna get the checks now lol. I'm sure it's just the few people I know though. No one else.

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

galenanorth posted:

See the embedded graph in https://money.yahoo.com/house-passes-biden-relief-package-including-stimulus-checks-070640949.html and its source
https://www.crfb.org/blogs/president-bidens-19-trillion-covid-plan-vs-gop-618-billion-plan-comparison

Payments (as of Feb. 10 before the recent changes): ~$450 billion
Unemployment: $350 billion
Expand Tax Credits for Low- and Middle-Income Households: $130 billion

so only $930 billion, slightly less than half, is direct financial support, and then there are some worthwhile programs with smaller amounts such as $35 billion for housing assistance and homelessness, $40 billion for child care funding, which should probably be grouped together into their own category in a way the graph doesn't do.

The parts subsidizing businesses are "Extend Paid Family and Sick Leave: ~$50 billion", meaning compensating businesses for extended paid family and sick leave for the duration of the pandemic, and "Provide Additional Small Business Support: $50 billion", aside from $92 billion for health insurance subsidies

The state and local aid is probably necessary under the current circumstances, but IMO the government should take on as many responsibilities from state and local government as possible, leaving only things like repair of local roads. People living under local governments that waste taxpayer dollars shouldn't be left to die and their children shouldn't be left in underfunded schools. But that would deny liberals' entertainment in seeing red state death, and they love their SALT tax exemptions

That's the house bill, the senate bill isn't public yet

shyduck
Oct 3, 2003


mcmagic posted:

I already had 3 people text me saying they aren't gonna get the checks now lol. I'm sure it's just the few people I know though. No one else.
wow look at all the rich friends you have with your caviar dinners

tmfc
Sep 28, 2006

stellers bae posted:

is there a non-bullshit lib way to find out what's in the relief package? it seems insane to me that it's nearly two trillion dollars and the checks are small as gently caress and means tested, where the gently caress is all that money going

where do you think it's going lmao

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

mcmagic posted:

I already had 3 people text me saying they aren't gonna get the checks now lol. I'm sure it's just the few people I know though. No one else.

Remind those libs that trump gave them more money.

a Loving Dog
May 12, 2001

more like a Barking Dog, woof!

mcmagic posted:

These shitbrains think that someone making 81k is rich lol

if i made that much i would definitely feel rich lol

QUEER FRASIER
May 31, 2011

mcmagic posted:

These shitbrains think that someone making 81k is rich lol

There are City-official affordable housing projects in NYC that you are too poor to apply for if you make $80k lmao

Dolphin
Dec 5, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

spacemang_spliff posted:

ah yeah that makes sense I guess

do these people get mad when a millionaire drives on a public road or uses a library?
This is a fantastic point.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/ProudSocialist/status/1367166906306682881?s=19

tmfc
Sep 28, 2006

mcmagic posted:

These shitbrains think that someone making 81k is rich lol

$81k in Birmingham, AL is a vastly different thing from $81k in Chicago, which is also a vastly different thing from $81k in San Francisco

this is why means-testing poo poo like this around income is really stupid and bad

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

means-tested ak-47s for all

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

shyduck posted:

wow look at all the rich friends you have with your caviar dinners

I just straight-up don't talk politics with most people because I'm pretty sure the majority of my friends from college voted for Warren on Super Tuesday

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002
who's going to watch America while Neera watches the skies :911:

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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tmfc posted:

$81k in Birmingham, AL is a vastly different thing from $81k in Chicago, which is also a vastly different thing from $81k in San Francisco

this is why means-testing poo poo like this around income is really stupid and bad

It's also 2019 income unless you filed your 2020 taxes already which is also stupid and bad.

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WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

yep those people making 81k certainly have not been the folks helping support other members of their family financially lol

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