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jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum
Don't suppose they put the Age of Calamity spirits on the board did they? I missed that event

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Chieves
Sep 20, 2010

Dang, RIP MinMin. Smaller dragon lasers are brutal.

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

Pyra and Mythra are a lot of fun to play.

jivjov posted:

Don't suppose they put the Age of Calamity spirits on the board did they? I missed that event
I missed that one AND the Bravely Default 2 one that just finished. :smith:

MorningMoon
Dec 29, 2013

He's been tapping into Aunt May's bank account!
Didn't I kill him with a HELICOPTER?
As someone who has only gotten sorta good with Incineroar, playing Pyra and Mythra is very neat. You can get teh gameplay style down with Mythra and then when you need some extra oomph you switch in Pyra to commit death crimes. Feels good.

Willo567
Feb 5, 2015

Cheating helped me fail the test and stay on the show.
I am happy for the big tiddy sword ladies and their fans

elf help book
Aug 5, 2004

Though the battle might be endless, I will never give up

Willo567 posted:

I am happy for the big tiddy sword ladies and their fans

Thank you

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
Hey, free Sophia spirit for having played Persona 5 Strikers! I should get back to that game, Azur Lane Crosswave has just consumed all my game time lately...

I haven't played as Pyra/Mythra yet but I did do the important thing: listen to the music.

New Yuzo Koshiro track and it owns!

Counterattack sounds like Dynasty Warriors music and I mean that as the highest compliment.

My favorite track of all though is Death Match With Torna. It's the best one as far as I'm concerned.

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004
Looks like some extra spirits were snuck into today's update.

If you have a Persona 5 Strikers save on your Switch, you get Sophia. If you have a Ghosts 'n' Goblins Resurrection save, you get Arthur. Supposedly they'll be made available to everyone else at a later date.

Kind of surprising that they haven't done this with more games, TBH.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Characters aside, this pack is worth it entirely for the songs. What an impressive collection.

Also Mythra and Pyra are very fun, but seriously, that music! Smash living up to the thread title here.

Zuzie
Jun 30, 2005

I got this for a Ratatta on GTS.


If you go through classic mode, you'll get either the Pyra or Mythra fighting spirit depending on who is in the lead at the fighter selection screen.

Although you could buy the other one if you want.

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


mythra and pyra are fun. they have nice tilts

RuBisCO
May 1, 2009

This is definitely not a lie



Augus posted:

mythra and pyra are fun. they have nice tilts

Excuse me what did you s

Oh, carry on

Super Jay Mann
Nov 6, 2008

Augus posted:

mythra and pyra are fun. they have nice tilts

I hate my brain right now.

Zuzie
Jun 30, 2005

I got this for a Ratatta on GTS.


Glad I'm not the only one to do a double take.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Augus posted:

mythra and pyra are fun. they have nice tilts

You misspelled tits

Katamari Democracy
Jan 19, 2010

Guess what! :love:
Guess what this is? :love:
A Post, Just for you! :love:
Wedge Regret
Nintendo knows what they have done

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


The Bloop posted:

You misspelled tits

:thejoke:

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


Smashers oversexualizing poo poo (even characters that were made to be semi-sexualized like this) is pretty gross though ngl

RuBisCO
May 1, 2009

This is definitely not a lie



Katamari Democracy posted:

Nintendo knows what they have done

Yeah they do

https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1367649034186366978

cheeseboy58
Dec 14, 2020

Beamed posted:

Smashers oversexualizing poo poo (even characters that were made to be semi-sexualized like this) is pretty gross though ngl

Even Sakurai is in on it. The depravity starts from the tippy top. Tear it all down

cheeseboy58
Dec 14, 2020
But anyways anyone wanna play some Prominence revolt?

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Beamed posted:

Smashers oversexualizing poo poo (even characters that were made to be semi-sexualized like this) is pretty gross though ngl

Lol "semi-sexualized". These characters could be right out of a porno series. And the game they're from is even worse.



I don't particularly enjoy seeing gamers get horny on main either, but if avoiding that was the goal then these characters shouldn't have been included at all. We have to face the reality we're in.

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


I'm not really here to defend XBC2 or whatever, never played either of em and one of them apparently is about binding women to you? Or something. I don't care. But every other word doesn't have to be "ha ha big boob", doing that constantly with female characters is bad and dumb and gross.

cheeseboy58
Dec 14, 2020

Lurdiak posted:

Lol "semi-sexualized". These characters could be right out of a porno series. And the game they're from is even worse.



I don't particularly enjoy seeing gamers get horny on main either, but if avoiding that was the goal then these characters shouldn't have been included at all. We have to face the reality we're in.

Nah they did fine tuning them down. Yes xenoblade 2 is anime shonen coomer trash but pyra mythra are a great fit and probably some of the most fun characters in the game

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Lurdiak posted:

Lol "semi-sexualized". These characters could be right out of a porno series. And the game they're from is even worse.



I don't particularly enjoy seeing gamers get horny on main either, but if avoiding that was the goal then these characters shouldn't have been included at all. We have to face the reality we're in.

That poor spine

Lux Anima
Apr 17, 2016


Dinosaur Gum

IronicDongz posted:

i got this new smash character. basically theres this anime girl except shes got huge boobs. i mean some serious honkers. a real set of badonkers. packin some dobonhonkeros. massive dohoonkabhankoloos. big old tonhongerekoogers
"what happens next" secondary character shows up one day with even bigger bonkhonagahoogs. humungous hungolomghnonoloughongous


Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

*two hours after release* DEFINITELY one of the most fun characters to play, of the 100 or whatever

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


Super No Vacancy posted:

*two hours after release* DEFINITELY one of the most fun characters to play, of the 100 or whatever

For sure. I feel like neutral special reads are the most satisfying thing in the Universe

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

i was observing that there is an inverse correlation between how well received the character choice is and how often people will insist they are especially fun to play. you might call this the byleth theorem

min-min proves the opposite because they are a cool character and fun to play

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


I don't think that's true. Joker, for example.. uh, sucks.. and Banjo he.. ..well, sucks.. and..
...

oh my god

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...



Lurdiak posted:

Lol "semi-sexualized". These characters could be right out of a porno series.

God bless.

Booky
Feb 21, 2013

Chill Bug


i don't really play smash even tho it's fun, and i think pyra and mythra look cool to play as and not very porny (tho i checked out both their arts and i like mythras design a lil more)! :)

i usually lose but once i won with terry while mashing lots of buttons :v:

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Beamed posted:

I'm not really here to defend XBC2 or whatever, never played either of em and one of them apparently is about binding women to you?
its not at all, thats just a thing some youtuber said in a reivew and everyone too kit at face value


RBA Starblade posted:

That poor spine

that image is of her model glitching out tho the actual design still isnt very good

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
Shulk has his bathing suit in smash but neither pyra nor mythra have theirs? You're a coward sakurai

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




I have like 4 facts of XC 2 that I know of and everything else is a big :shrug:

How...old are Pyra and Mythra? Is this a hundreds or thousands of years situation? As far as I know, they're sci-fi sword lightsabers that're also people just like Soul Eater so I'm wondering how ancient the civilization that made them was.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Endorph posted:

its not at all, thats just a thing some youtuber said in a reivew and everyone too kit at face value

It kind of is though. They're collectible people (overwhelmingly women) you collect from loot crates and get to battle for you, their existences are defined by their owners Drivers up to their memories and the shape of their personalities and the main antagonist group in the game are a rogue group of them rebelling against the system of bondage they exist in.

Shadowlyger
Nov 5, 2009

ElvUI super fan at your service!

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RareAcumen posted:

I have like 4 facts of XC 2 that I know of and everything else is a big :shrug:

How...old are Pyra and Mythra? Is this a hundreds or thousands of years situation? As far as I know, they're sci-fi sword lightsabers that're also people just like Soul Eater so I'm wondering how ancient the civilization that made them was.

As an actual personality, about five hundred, with Mythra being the older by not a lot.

As one of the three administrative AI of an orbital installation around Earth, several thousand at minimum.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

multijoe posted:

It kind of is though. They're collectible people (overwhelmingly women) you collect from loot crates and get to battle for you, their existences are defined by their owners Drivers up to their memories and the shape of their personalities and the main antagonist group in the game are a rogue group of them rebelling against the system of bondage they exist in.

I don't think that's true?

I mean most of those same antagonists also have blades of their own and their leader is aiming to destroy the world largely because of his hatred towards humanity for killing his girlfriend (who was also his driver). And the evil church they're all raging against is also the secret antagonist of the game.

Its a very melodramatic shonen jrpg plot where the weapons are also people and the moral there is that this means you should not treat them as tools but as friends and equals because they aren't any different from humans! Which is how all the good guys act even with the non-plot blades when you do their sidequests.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

SyntheticPolygon posted:

I don't think that's true?

I mean most of those same antagonists also have blades of their own and their leader is aiming to destroy the world largely because of his hatred towards humanity for killing his girlfriend (who was also his driver). And the evil church they're all raging against is also the secret antagonist of the game.

Its a very melodramatic shonen jrpg plot where the weapons are also people and the moral there is that this means you should not treat them as tools but as friends and equals because they aren't any different from humans! Which is how all the good guys act even with the non-plot blades when you do their sidequests.

The main antagonist (Malos) wants to kill God and destroy the world because the system of servitude they exist in is intolerable, but also because his master (whom he is bound to) has warped his personality and he is aware that even his thoughts and feelings are not fully his own.

Xenoblade 2 just does the same thing Pokemon Black & White did where it presents a really valid problem that the antagonists are fighting against, then at the end just shrugs and goes 'well love and friendship conquer all I guess' without ever even trying to resolve it. That Drivers should be nice to Blades doesn't change any of the insanely awful conditions that are presented about them throughout the game, like how their memories and personalities reset every time their current owner dies, or how their ultimate fate is to become amalgamated into new terrain for humans to live on, their entire existence was designed to service humanity.

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Maple Leaf
Aug 24, 2010

Let'en my post flyen true
This is a pretty great patch. They didn't nerf G&W :argh: and neither of my characters got anything at all but a lot of the runaway top tier characters got some actual balancing, and it's nice to see that Sakurai gives a poo poo.

So I may have accidentally played Pyra for nine hours and she's a ton of fun, just like everyone's been saying. She's Sheik with a sword, but what if Sheik could turn into Donkey Kong and back whenever you wanted?

My takeaways so far:

- There is no real reason to open a match with Pyra (unless you just like her more)
- Pyra's frame data is pretty bad, but her range is better than Mythra's and her attack power is bananas, so you typically want to switch to her when your opponent is in a bad spot (above you, offstage, etc) and you can afford to make a slip up. Likewise, if you're the one that's in a bad spot, Mythra's superior speed will get you back to safety much easier.
- Their major weakness is that their recovery is garbage. Mythra has the option to use Photon Edge, but it doesn't reach very far. Prominence Revolt goes just a touch higher than Blade of Punishment/Chroma Dust, but Pyra's airspeed is worse than Mythra's. If you like using Wolf or Chrom or Cloud, having a bad recovery is nothing new to you, but for everyone else, keep in mind that once you're offstage, you can't afford to be making many mistakes.
- Foresight is a gift and a curse and getting it offstage is the flashiest way to SD in the game

One of the things that makes Pyra and Mythra so great is that there isn't any technical stuff to keep in mind - nothing like sweet spots or comeback mechanics or anything RNG. All you need to know is Mythra weak but fast and Pyra slow but strong, and everything else is exactly what's written on the paper.

Their design is always going to be a sticking issue with a lot of people, but I've yet to see a person say "actually, they're pretty unfun and lovely to play as or against," and that's lovely.

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