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Kaddish posted:Um. Why do you have 40+ Pure LUNS is the pertinent question? I can't fathom a reason for this. After 10+ years running a couple generations of EMC storage(Celerra/VNXg1) I opted to go with Nimble for my most recent refresh. Still migrating over, but have been converting some non-user facing systems to vvol, what gotchas should I be worried about? I already knew that veeam doesn’t support direct backup from vvol data stores(at least w Nimble), but that’s not a concern in my environment. Seems like any enterprise
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ihafarm posted:After 10+ years running a couple generations of EMC storage(Celerra/VNXg1) I opted to go with Nimble for my most recent refresh. Still migrating over, but have been converting some non-user facing systems to vvol, what gotchas should I be worried about? I already knew that veeam doesn’t support direct backup from vvol data stores(at least w Nimble), but that’s not a concern in my environment. Seems like any enterprise I actually haven't used vvols yet because it seemed to me the limitations and implementation was ....severely lacking. Vvol support wasn't even added to Storwize until later in the 7.x code stream and converting over seemed like a pain. Maybe the APIs/implementation/etc has gotten better over the years but it seemed like they attempted to solve a problem I didn't need solving. In general, I reduce complexity in the environment as much as possible. Kaddish fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Mar 5, 2021 |
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I used the new-to-me Storwize feature to set up a new Flashsystem 5100 -volumes, pools, mapping, etc, for use behind an SVC and it worked surprisingly well. I had no issues with any of it.
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If I want a half a TB of HA NFS *delivered quickly*, who should I be talking to?
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evil_bunnY posted:If I want a half a TB of HA NFS *delivered quickly*, who should I be talking to? Netapp?
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PCjr sidecar posted:Netapp?
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evil_bunnY posted:We're already talking to them and Dell (Isilon). I'd like to know if I'm missing non-obvious players with EMEA presence. Thread frequently mentions Pure Storage? I really like Vast but they’re probably out of scope for 500G.
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How fast is fast? How many clients? Either way, call Pure or Netapp.
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Storwize Unified will do NFS, but probably can't tick the 'quickly' box unless someone has demo kit ready to ship.
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PCjr sidecar posted:Thread frequently mentions Pure Storage? I really like Vast but they’re probably out of scope for 500G. H110Hawk posted:How fast is fast? How many clients?
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Oh, yeah quickly as in shipping lol good luck. Quickly as in high iops/low latency yeah.evil_bunnY posted:We don't want/need flash. Call "Zerowait" I bet they can get it done "today." What's your budget? It's a REALLY small amount of storage honestly, how "HA" does it need to be? Like, why not just a synology?
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H110Hawk posted:Call "Zerowait" I bet they can get it done "today." What's your budget? It's a REALLY small amount of storage honestly, how "HA" does it need to be? Like, why not just a synology?
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evil_bunnY posted:It's a small amount of storage but it's for core systems. This was supposed to be a Ceph back byzantine piece of poo poo and it's taken me this long for SuSE to show their whole rear end and me to convince them to hop off that train. You were doing Ceph on SuSE? Could you share a bit about your Ceph experience? It has broadly a good reputation at this point from what I've heard, with the caveat that you are probably paying Red Hat more than you really want to for support.
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evil_bunnY posted:It's a small amount of storage but it's for core systems. This was supposed to be a Ceph back byzantine piece of poo poo and it's taken me this long for SuSE to show their whole rear end and me to convince them to hop off that train. How much downtime is acceptable? How often?
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You're not getting Pure deployed without an existing contract that small that fast for a not-extravagant price unless you have a GREAT relationship with your VAR that also deals with Pure already. It will still be very expensive. Crunchy Black fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Apr 6, 2021 |
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Twerk from Home posted:You were doing Ceph on SuSE? Twerk from Home posted:Could you share a bit about your Ceph experience? It has broadly a good reputation at this point from what I've heard, with the caveat that you are probably paying Red Hat more than you really want to for support. SuSE support is also a disaster with slow turnaround and missed deadlines aplenty. Everyone's done with their poo poo. H110Hawk posted:How much downtime is acceptable? How often? Crunchy Black posted:You're not getting Pure deployed without an existing contract that small that fast for a not-extravagant price evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Apr 6, 2021 |
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Yeah just buy a synology. I'm not kidding. You don't have any useful requirements. Put it on a ups and back it up regularly.
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Which bit of EMEA are you in?
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H110Hawk posted:Yeah just buy a synology. I'm not kidding. You don't have any useful requirements. Put it on a ups and back it up regularly. This plus QNAP sells HA twin controller setups if zero downtime is an hard requirement. Also if you can shift your protocol requirement to iscsi+fc(there is vfiio for nfs but I never used it) you could make a datacore storage pool with just a couple of generic servers
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Thanks Ants posted:Which bit of EMEA are you in? the qnap/syno stuff fits the use case but it's an absolute taboo politically. These people are Serious Business.
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evil_bunnY posted:northern eu It's country specific but Synology regional offices usually have a selection of enterprise kit in stock as part of their try and buy programme, here's the link if you're in France https://event.synology.com/fr-fr/FR_Test_Buy/FR Though if Synology has been ruled out it doesn't really matter.
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Thanks Ants posted:Storwize Unified will do NFS, but probably can't tick the 'quickly' box unless someone has demo kit ready to ship. IBM has pulled marketing for Unified and seems to be exiting that sector of the file business. I have three Unified arrays I’ll be looking to replace soonish.
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ibm.txt
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Kaddish posted:IBM has pulled marketing for Unified and seems to be exiting that sector of the file business. I have three Unified arrays I’ll be looking to replace soonish.
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Ceph war story https://michael-prokop.at/blog/2021/04/09/a-ceph-war-story/
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See that poo poo is why you pay for a hardware storage appliance from a reputable vendor that provides support.
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Kyndryl is the worst name I’ve ever heard for a spin-off company. Like, way beyond Quikster levels of bad.
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Is it just me or is Ceph overengineered for a setup with 36 disks?
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VostokProgram posted:Is it just me or is Ceph overengineered for a setup with 36 disks? Probably? I've only actually used it in a homelab, and a Dell demo where they had 12 disks (10TB SATA) per node (and then another with 24 NVMe per node  ), but only 4 nodes for the first and 2 nodes for the second.
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There’s no right number of disks for Ceph. You either have not enough disks or hosts or have way too many.
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I feel like storage is still the Wild West of IT and poo poo like proxmox, ceph etc is cool and fun until it isn’t.
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There were other reasons, but many years ago I straight up told a company why I refused their job offer without even seeing numbers - they were using a used CX4 without any kind of support contract and were buying parts off of eBay. gently caress. No.
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devmd01 posted:There were other reasons, but many years ago I straight up told a company why I refused their job offer without even seeing numbers - they were using a used CX4 without any kind of support contract and were buying parts off of eBay. gently caress. No. I still support a cx4 at one of our small sites. We have a support contract though, obviously. Edit - and it’s scheduled to be replaced but I’m only one person, poo poo. Kaddish fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Apr 15, 2021 |
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Kaddish posted:I feel like storage is still the Wild West of IT and poo poo like proxmox, ceph etc is cool and fun until it isn’t. If they were dead set on using proxmox, they could have just dumped those disks into a zfs pool and called it a day. Really weird to be using a clustered filesystem when your disks would easily fit in a shelf imo.
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Pile Of Garbage posted:See that poo poo is why you pay for a hardware storage appliance from a reputable vendor that provides support. There was a stretch of nearly half a year where IBM shipped firmware on their DS4000/DS5000 LSI SANs that would silently forget to replicate anything past the first 2 TB of a LUN, that was fun to find doing a DR test. gently caress, don't even get me started on SONAS/GPFS. VostokProgram posted:If they were dead set on using proxmox, they could have just dumped those disks into a zfs pool and called it a day. Really weird to be using a clustered filesystem when your disks would easily fit in a shelf imo. Vulture Culture fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Apr 17, 2021 |
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Vulture Culture posted:I've dealt with way worse problems, and had way higher ownership in them, with IBM/Hitachi/DDN enterprise storage than anything that's going on in this post. Yeah big whoop so what? I've seen things you'd never believe as well. It's an indisputable fact that all software and hardware is trash. That's why you, or rather your employer/customer, pays for enterprise kit with support so that the liability is shifted up to the vendor. Imagine where you'd be if you had no vendor support in the incidents you described?
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Pile Of Garbage posted:Yeah big whoop so what? I've seen things you'd never believe as well. It's an indisputable fact that all software and hardware is trash. That's why you, or rather your employer/customer, pays for enterprise kit with support so that the liability is shifted up to the vendor. Imagine where you'd be if you had no vendor support in the incidents you described? Vendor support is amazing for dealing with hardware logistics (I'm grey enough to remember trying to source hard drives after the tsunami wrecked all the HDD manufacturing in Thailand), and there's a lot of value in smaller sets of certified releases. But it's the farthest thing from a panacea. The vendor will still introduce software bugs they can't help you with. There will still be times where you have to do the legwork and find the fix yourself. With a vendor there might be relationships and money on the table, but here's the catch: you're always losing more money from the thing being down than what you paid for it, or you wouldn't have spent the money. The pressure will always be higher on you than the company you bought the kit from.
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