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Hadlock posted:There are worse decisions you could make Well, the reason it would be a pretty iffy decision is that I don't know how to sail. At all. I do have a friend over in Livermore who knows how, and I've been thinking of taking lessons over at the Berkeley club, but right now I'm clueless and it's a weird time to start learning. What's the marina situation over on the peninsula? I'm in South SF, and if I do eventually get a boat I'd like to keep it on this side of the bay. Edit: the most shameful admission snipe Pham Nuwen fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Dec 22, 2020 |
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Brisbane Marina is pretty tits, we were there for about a year and a half. It is super duper clean, has concrete docks (this is a good/best thing) and is well run by nit picky attentive staff. They always have slips open and they're pretty reasonable, but they're kind of a pain in the rear end to drive to from, say, north beach or anywhere in the city really. From South San Francisco I can't think of a better marina. Oyster Point marina shares the same dredged cut but I've never been there. Brisbane is like $290/mo for a folkboat? Guessing Immediately north of the golden gate bridge is a tiny marina that's alarmingly cheap and has insane views of the GG bridge, it's like $190/mo or something. It also has an absolute baller bar that pre-covid was full of some really interesting characters. It would not surprise me that it's running as a covert covid speakeasy a mere 2000 ft from the coast guard station.The docks are made of rickety wood that looks like it must be at least 40 years old. Location can't be beat, unless you're trying to get home during an ebb tide Comedy option: Pillar Point marina on the north end of half moon bay, pretty much direct access to the pacific ocean. We were coming out of the pilliar point harbor once as a gray whale was swimming in. The outer harbor has a breakwater that narrows down to about 200' wide at the entrance. He saw us, we didn't see him (he was under water, and whales typically do not carry nav lights) so he surfaced arm's reach from the stern of the boat, a school bus of gray whale meat sort of rises to the surface of the water, rolls over and I see this giant watermelon-sized eyeball and dinner plate sized iris slowly rotate with crazy veins look directly at me and give me the stink eye before submarining himself again, never to be seen again
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Haha I love whales but I don’t want to be that close to one. I’ve had a few within a boat length and it’s always a big pucker moment. The harbor at Fort Baker is called the Presidio Marina, and the bar is the Presidio Yacht Club. A bunch of my friends are members, it’s a great club if you like dive bars. The marina is usually full, and the docks are pretty janky. It also shares a lot of the downsides of being in one of the SF marinas: windy and foggy, lots of surge, shallow. Folkboats are excellent. I think the bar to own an old wood one is how good of a woodworker are you/do you want to be? Wooden boat maintenance is intensive and you can’t let it down for a moment or the boat can have some very big problems. You will be painting and varnishing constantly and replacing fasteners/planks/stringers often. That said they are really nice boats to sail, there’s still an active fleet of them raced globally and one of the serious ones is in SF. Definitely a top five one design fleet in SF bay. My buddies have one and they do pretty well. That one is worth a look, still has the wooden mast which is much better than the alloy ones, nothing scary about the hull in the pics, sail looks crispy, they put fresh paint on her this year. And the full cover helps keep them from getting weatherbeaten. The glassed deck could be an attempt to conceal something rotten, I’d give it a close look.
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Hadlock posted:Imagine four crew on the edge of a boat. Say a direct copy of the Well then instead of being foredeck they just grab booze for the rest of the crew. 
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Big Taint posted:Haha I love whales but I don’t want to be that close to one. I’ve had a few within a boat length and it’s always a big pucker moment. I have three short graybles 1. Doing spinnaker cup from SF to Monterey, surfing downwind in an 1D35 we t-boned a whale with our ~7.5' keel. Boat came to a complete stop in the middle of monterey bay, ~2500 ft depth. At first I'd thought we'd hit a sandbar, but was way too deep for that. Eventually the whale wiggled loose, surfaced and let out a loud cry in our wake before disappearing 2. During one of the.... three bridge fiascos? corinthian cup doublehander? one of the boats in our class about a quarter mile ahead of us, a whale swam between his keel and rudder, destroyed the rudder/rudder bearings, that could have been us 3. Coming back from a different spinnaker cup, a whale bumped into the aft quarter of the boat, but did no damage. Kind of felt like when you're backing in to a parking spot and your wheel hits the wheel stop. Bump.
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Oof you’re lucky the sudden stop didn’t take out the kite/rig, that’s scary. Jam Session is the boat that was deruddered in the TBF, one of the J105s. Whales don’t really have any predators so they aren’t scared of anything, and they are curious about the silly boats we like to float around in. Not great for us with our fragile sailboats, worse for them when they get too close to a cargo ship. Hopefully someday we can figure out how to warn them not to get too close.
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I don't have enough struggle in my life, need another place to dump all my energy https://kenai.craigslist.org/boa/d/kasilof-1973-balboa-26-sailboat-trailer/7278951064.html
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I've seen worse ways to spend $12,000 Expect to put $3000 into it before you put it in the water. Expect to replace the swivel bolt on the keel $200??), and all new standing rigging ($1200? $1800?). Also it's hard to tell but if that's vinyl covered lifelines, expect to replace those. Look into dyneema lifelines, but make your own decision if they're for you How important is the trailerability of the boat to you? Fixed keel is better unless you plan on ramp launching it in weird places a lot, or plan on doing a lot of gunkholing
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Total daydreaming at the moment because I don't want a truck and don't want to get in line at the Whittier tunnel with every other jackhole in anchorage. Maybe stick it in the yard and tinker and dream of quitting my job
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Hadlock posted:Expect to put $3000 into it before you put it in the water. Expect to replace the swivel bolt on the keel $200??), and all new standing rigging ($1200? $1800?). Also it's hard to tell but if that's vinyl covered lifelines, expect to replace those. Look into dyneema lifelines, but make your own decision if they're for you Briefly, what are the advantages/disadvantages of dyneema lifelines? I'm lazily daydreaming about a potential future boat in a couple years.
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Safety Dance posted:Briefly, what are the advantages/disadvantages of dyneema lifelines? I'm lazily daydreaming about a potential future boat in a couple years. Pound for pound, dyneema is ~ 15 times stronger than steel. It also weighs less. So you get stronger lifelines that don't weight as much and also don't rust Karma Comedian fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Mar 6, 2021 |
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Safety Dance posted:Briefly, what are the advantages/disadvantages of dyneema lifelines? I'm lazily daydreaming about a potential future boat in a couple years. Well let's start with the cons 1. Although dyneema is extremely UV resistant, it's not 100% UV resistant 2. This is the really important one: it's about as chafe resistant as a pair of gym socks. This is mostly an issue with spinnaker sheets, and reaching/running where the main and jib sheets hang over the lifelines. A lot of offshore racing rules explicitly ban dyneema lifelines because a 2 week ocean race to Hawaii probably causes more chafe and wear than the average boat owner puts on theirs in a decade Pros: 1. It's about a quarter the cost of stainless steel wire 2. Does not require any special crimping equipment (I generally use a 12" section of coat hangar wire and some electrical tape for splicing) 3. Will never rust (generally not an issue on freshwater boats) 4. It's super soft, like a pair of new gym socks, feels good on your hands 5. You can repair/adjust the lifelines yourself without any special tools 6. You get to brag about complex sounding stuff like "brummel lock splices" everytime somebody comes on board 7. Did I mention it's a quarter the cost and you can do this yourself The big plus for stainless wire is it's 100% uv resistant, will last for decades, and is extremely chafe resistant, but it requires special tools, and if it breaks down, you get little snags that will tear open your hand/leg Also a brummel lock splice takes about 12 seconds to do and is nearly impossible to gently caress up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohZyauGKfmc If you want to play around with this stuff, splicing etc, that premium ropes channel has all sorts of stuff on it including soft shackles. I bought a 100' spool of 4mm dyneema (4000 lb test) for $40 on Amazon, it's held up to several years of summer racing here in SF so it is probably strong enough for day sailing on a lake somewhere. I'd maybe buy the name brand stuff for lifelines though. This stuff is good to learn on and make soft shackles to impress your friends: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01N5F72YW It does come with a sort of black waxy coating though which is annoying, but price it against amsteel dyneema and it's a screaming deal. One local rigger calls it "chineema" While we're on the topic this is my favorite soft shackle video. This is the type I make, except without the blue helper thread. This makes a lot of people really angry because there's several theoretical problems with it, but the truth is, in practice none of them have ever come close to failing in ~4 years and they're easy to open and close. They're also pretty easy to make, I made one while motoring to the start line one saturday morning because the main sheet traveler blew up and we needed a good way to secure things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY--UwBrem0 Hadlock fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Mar 6, 2021 |
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Awesome, thanks! I actually ordered a small spool of 1/8" (4mm-ish) dyneema and some fids the other day, because it looked like it'd be fun to make some soft shackles and try some splices.
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Karma Comedian posted:I'm in love with a CT56 in my marina If it's legal in your state, love is love. Hadlock posted:Also a brummel lock splice takes about 12 seconds to do and is nearly impossible to gently caress up: This is kinda fun. It'll get better when I get a proper 1/8" fid (somehow I managed this in 1/8" line with a 1/4" fid) 
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Safety Dance posted:This is kinda fun. It'll get better when I get a proper 1/8" fid (somehow I managed this in 1/8" line with a 1/4" fid) Blue painter's tape, a sharpie, and a chopstick will get you places. Add a wire coat hangar and half an hour and the world is your oyster That looks really good for a first try 
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I like a long piece of seizing wire bent in half for splicing 12-strand. I did dyneema lifelines on the Catalina, with heat shrink where they went through the stanchions. Held up great for the several years before I sold it. The splices will stretch a bit when you tension them so make sure you make them a bit on the shorter side so you can accommodate that. I lashed one end with dyneema lashing line so it was easy to fine-tune the tension and I had a big margin of error for length, my lashings ended up being 2-4”.
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Yeah, I spliced a bunch of soft shackles and a couple of dyneema to double braid lines last year. A knitting needle for pushing and a bent piece of stainless tig rod (which I also use for lock wiring turnbuckles) for pulling were my favorite tools.
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Shibawanko posted:do any of you here actually live on their boat? if so how is it? living like that and just sort of cruising around the world is a dream i've always had although i'm not really currently in a position where i could seriously consider doing it You can learn to sail competently in a few days in good weather. In the US you have classes like ASA 101 (which I took a couple years back), and I presume there are European equivalent classes. It was pretty comprehensive and good, although the instructor was a dick. Best way is to find an experienced friend with a boat cause all it will cost you is a few beers, though. Sailing across the open ocean is fine and people do it all the time, but I think it's kinda like the difference between driving to work and doing a cross-country road trip. There's a lot more planning and stress and legal stuff to consider. Being alone a thousand miles away from anyone and sailing through a storm is beyond my abilities, and I plan to take the higher level classes or find someone trustworthy to learn. As for living on the boat, I'd like to know more too since that's kind of a necessity for a long trip. Someone posted a blog of his on the other boat thread a while back which is informative, and there's no shortage of youtube videos on the topic, but it's nice to hear additional opinions.
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Shibawanko posted:do any of you here actually live on their boat? if so how is it? living like that and just sort of cruising around the world is a dream i've always had although i'm not really currently in a position where i could seriously consider doing it As for living on a boat, there's an awful lot of overlap with living in a van. You can generally stand up in a boat, and you get a flush toilet, but it's about the same otherwise. If you don't like somewhere you can get up and leave. Your monthly costs can range from $450 to $3500/mo depending on lifestyle. The best man at my wedding bought a used blue water boat and lived aboard for three years (my mom owns the boat now) and he enjoyed it as a single guy. Sailing is not difficult to pick up, go find a yacht club and volunteer to crew as "rail meat" you'll pick up the basics in a couple of weeks. The downside is that things can go sideways very quickly and there's a ton of edge and corner cases you need to be aware of. If you thread your whisker pole through your standing rigging for the genoa, and then autogybe in 25 knots of breeze, you're likely to bring down mast. Seems pretty obvious, but only if you know autogybing is a major risk. Most people crossing oceans have more experience than they let on, or they pick a particularly good weather window. There's countless stories of less competent people crossing oceans in rubber rafts on purpose though. Do a couple of regattas and see how you feel. Crewing is free, and there's free beer. Expect to put $15,000 into a $5,000 boat to make it seaworthy.
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Hallelujah, I've hit the jackpot; a dude who is willing to let a friend and I borrow his boat whenever we want. She's a somewhat knackered, 40-year-old 38' yacht, of what make I do not know. Perfectly seaworthy though the fiberglass is starting to show real wear at the joints. While we were scooting around between the Isle of White and the Hamble on Saturday, we came across this amazing old beauty on a post-lockdown shakedown cruise:  Largest in-service steamship in northern Europe, apparently.
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El Grillo posted:Hallelujah, I've hit the jackpot; a dude who is willing to let a friend and I borrow his boat whenever we want. Beautiful
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Had a hard time parsing the post with the image at first and thought you were on THAT boat and it was from 1938.
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Dang, the awful app won’t let me post pics. Wanted to upload some boat camping shots from December.
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Press the [bb] button, and then Insert Imgur. Then select Upload Image 
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Safety Dance posted:Press the [bb] button, and then Insert Imgur. Then select Upload Image Wtf I dont have that option at all. I am on Iphone.
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dialhforhero posted:Wtf I dont have that option at all. I am on Iphone. Tap the posting blank space and tap [img] option then it gives you at least the option to post from your library, or camera. I don’t see the Imgur option though.
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I think that'll let you include an image as an attachment, but I think the forum limits you to one image.tesilential posted:Dang, the awful app won’t let me post pics. Wanted to upload some boat camping shots from December. Dump a bunch of photos to imgur and  !
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I signed up for sailing lessons later this summer on a local lake and am pretty excited. I guess my question is how to take the next step from there towards larger boats/ocean water. Like… how do you learn the navigation/planning/maintenance aspect? I’m in the Boston area, so I’m sure there are resources, I just don’t know where to begin. At least the lake/river rentals are pretty cheap so I can toodle away for a couple summers until the kids get bigger.
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Coastal and river navigation is pretty easy; River: am I going with or against the water Coastal: land on right: going south* land on left: going north* *REVERSE THESE FOR WEST COAST Maintenance: Nigel Calder is your guy. He's still alive(!!!) and keeps the books updated with stuff on NMEA 2000 etc https://www.amazon.com/Boatowners-Mechanical-Electrical-Manual-4/dp/0071790330 https://www.amazon.com/Marine-Diesel-Engines-Maintenance-Troubleshooting/dp/0071475354 These are also collectively known as "the bible" in most boating circles. If that doesn't invoke a reaction, just say, "those boating books everyone recommends" because Nigel Calder doesn't exactly roll off the tounge and isn't exactly memorable Budget 2% of the new value of whatever boat you buy, for annual maintenance. I already wrote this post over in the other boating thread Hadlock fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Jun 18, 2021 |
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BadSamaritan posted:I signed up for sailing lessons later this summer on a local lake and am pretty excited. I guess my question is how to take the next step from there towards larger boats/ocean water. Like… how do you learn the navigation/planning/maintenance aspect? I’m in the Boston area, so I’m sure there are resources, I just don’t know where to begin. Until you're sailing so far out that you can't see land, sailboats are pretty get-in-and-go. Definitely understand COLREGS (at least as pertains to sailboats) before you solo sail in Boston harbor. If you're very classroom oriented, look into a sailing school that offers ASA 101 (basic keelboating, i.e. how the sailboat goes) and 103 (coastal cruising, i.e. how to sail a bigger boat and read a chart and all that good stuff). I guess, just begin by getting on a boat. Or watch a bunch of videos on youtube and every time you hear a term you don't know, look it up. Edit: I'm a huge nerd and pouring over charts helps me imagine doing something. Check this chart viewer out: https://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/ENCOnline/enconline.html. If you zoom way way in on Boston, you'll get a ton of detail that I imagine you'll find interesting. Safety Dance fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Jun 18, 2021 |
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BadSamaritan posted:I signed up for sailing lessons later this summer on a local lake and am pretty excited. I guess my question is how to take the next step from there towards larger boats/ocean water. Like… how do you learn the navigation/planning/maintenance aspect? I’m in the Boston area, so I’m sure there are resources, I just don’t know where to begin. In the RYA progression you'd want to do the 'day skipper' qualification, which includes both a five day sea trial/course, and a land-based 'theory' course that includes navigation etc. and to complete you take an (easy) exam. Great way to learn the essential basics. In fact I think you can take theory the course online from wherever you are, these days. Might be worth googling. I imagine there are similar course structures made by other organisations in other countries. Albeit I'm sure there must be providers in the USA (if that's where your based) that do the RYA courses. Obviously once you've done that course you actually have to go sail yourself, make lots of mistakes and that's the way you actually 'learn' all the stuff you're introduced to on the courses - same as anything really.
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Hadlock posted:Coastal and river navigation is pretty easy; Safety Dance posted:Until you're sailing so far out that you can't see land, sailboats are pretty get-in-and-go. Definitely understand COLREGS (at least as pertains to sailboats) before you solo sail in Boston harbor. If you're very classroom oriented, look into a sailing school that offers ASA 101 (basic keelboating, i.e. how the sailboat goes) and 103 (coastal cruising, i.e. how to sail a bigger boat and read a chart and all that good stuff). El Grillo posted:I dunno what qualifications are available in the US/elsewhere, but in the UK we have a standard set of courses & qualifications created by the RYA that are taught, well actually sail training companies teach them all over the world. Thanks, these are helpful! I used to do a lot of river and coastal kayaking with my family but I get a bit nervous with bigger boats and being further from the shore. Boston Harbor and up by Salem/Gloucester are pretty busy and I really don’t want to be That Boat. If I like the course I’m taking there are ASA courses of increasing difficulty nearby, as well as a number of casual racing groups/clubs to get larger boat experience on. It just feels like such a big jump from ‘lil boat in a pond’ to ‘busy ocean coastline or bay’. Those charts are great. I’m also a planner, especially when it comes to any larger-scale outdoors activities.
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BadSamaritan posted:Thanks, these are helpful! I used to do a lot of river and coastal kayaking with my family but I get a bit nervous with bigger boats and being further from the shore. Boston Harbor and up by Salem/Gloucester are pretty busy and I really don’t want to be That Boat. I've been sailing this year in New York Harbor, and that's gotta be roughly as busy as Boston. I keep my head on a swivel and keep an eye on ships before they become problems. As a sailing vessel, the only ships you need to give way to are ships that are ships with restricted ability to maneuver -- usually that means big ships that have to stay in channels. They don't move too quickly and you see them from miles off. Ferries and power boats are usually pretty good about giving sail boats room, especially as long as you're not doing anything surprising around them. Just stick to a straight line and they'll go around you. There's a whole set of rules for how two sailboats determine which one has right of way. Jet skis are the only things on the water that really surprise you, and ultimately the law of tonnage is on your side with them.
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BadSamaritan posted:Thanks, these are helpful! I used to do a lot of river and coastal kayaking with my family but I get a bit nervous with bigger boats and being further from the shore. Boston Harbor and up by Salem/Gloucester are pretty busy and I really don’t want to be That Boat. Then again I was brought up old school with the idea you should know how to do that stuff by hand with paper charts and analogue instruments in case your electrics get hosed; if you instead just rely on GPS and tide apps on your phone and such, lots of things become way way easier. For me I like to use both types of tools because I'm a huge anorak lol. By contrast to the above example of tidal sailing, sailing around the Ionian or one of the other Mediterranean seas really is a piece of cake; no tides, no real currents, few hazards, basically point the boat at a pretty bit of island and go.
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Hi folks I've wanted to learn to sail my whole life but never had the opportunity - combination of not living that close to sailable waters, and classes being rare and expensive. Now I finally live near some sizeable lakes and some affordable classes, so I'm taking the ASA 101 keelboat sailing for adults class. I'm very excite, first day on the water is Saturday.
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