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MA-Horus posted:Despite having an absolutely record breaking Q4, and dealing with massive global supply chain disruptions in the middle of a global pandemic, we will not be getting raises this year Our office did fantastic this last year, I was a new employee towards the start of the year in anticipation of a lot of growth (construction is booming in my area) and while there was a month of furlough once we got back at it there was basically as much work as you could volunteer to take. We’re talking triple digits of outperforming and according to the people above me I was one of the big contributors to that, right place right time I guess. So for half the year my boss had been talking about how my annual review was gonna be huge and how he had been going all the way up the ladder to let people know I was a keeper. I got promoted twice but half the raise my boss had been promising me, and basically no one else got raises because allegedly all that extra profit we’re bringing in is supporting the other branches that had terrible years. Which I sort of get but goddamn do we have a super bloated corporate structure with a bunch of admins we could probably afford to lose in exchange for giving people allegedly keeping this region afloat a couple more bucks an hour. Even though a crunch due to the pandemic was listed as the reason I wasn’t getting the full raise associated with my 2x promotion whatcha want to bet next year’s review/negotiations will not start from the salary I’m supposed to have for my position. So now I just have an inflated title and if we get newer people in the future one level below me we’ll have the same pay. Wife’s job is like that too, she just got tenured which comes with a pay bump but then the profs all took a 10% paycut that I doubt is ever coming back when the pandemic is over. It’s gross how management inevitably uses stuff like this to just line their pockets. We’re all in this together says the people exploiting one of the biggest losses of life in history to pay their workers less. ArbitraryC fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Mar 6, 2021 |
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I missed it but at a zoom staff meeting the director announced "Its been rough I know but I do have some good news! The department has saved a ton of money in electricity since everyone's working from home!" There was an awkward silence as everyone realized that its a virtual pay cut as we're all now paying for that electricity ourselves. He was seemingly oblivious.
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Our company also had a slam banger of a year despite the pandemic I haven’t gotten a raise in over two years despite the fact that I basically down 1.5 peoples’ worth of work just to keep the department functioning and if I didn’t then everything would go to poo poo and we’d all get fired 
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Dumb poo poo your work does: They asked me to please take a sick day off of work and then fired me a few days later for taking a day off of work as a "company policy violation" they had asked me to make. No, I have NOT let that go yet. And won't. Catastrophe fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Mar 6, 2021 |
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Mar 6, 2021 21:08
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Catastrophe posted:Dumb poo poo your work does: They asked me to please take a sick day off of work and then fired me a few days later for taking a day off of work as a "company policy violation" they had asked me to make. Why didn’t you sue them lmao
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Catastrophe posted:Dumb poo poo your work does: They asked me to please take a sick day off of work and then fired me a few days later for taking a day off of work as a "company policy violation" they had asked me to make. please tell me the initial request to take the day off was in writing my director at helljob was smart enough to never put anything unethical / illegal in writing, the little fucker
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Not my job, but as I'm looking at other options to get into to push pay up some (hopefully without actually doing all that much more): "Associate's degree in QuickBooks required" I know HR rarely has a goddamn clue what's actually necessary for positions, but it's in their own department, how do you gently caress that one up? e: How to know you're going to be abused if you take this job: tagging "superstar" in the job title... SkyeAuroline fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Mar 7, 2021 |
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Code Jockey posted:please tell me the initial request to take the day off was in writing One benefit of this pandemic hellworld is I can go " hey sorry my zoom is cutting out, can you email what you want me to do?"
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Jobs are almost always assholes about sick days. You give me sick days, I use them when I'm sick, then you're mad about it? C'mon.
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Animal-Mother posted:Jobs are almost always assholes about sick days. You give me sick days, I use them when I'm sick, then you're mad about it? C'mon. Not to say it's not a management hellworld that results in this but I also feel like there's an unreasonably large segment of total suckups that refuse to use their sickday that contribute to this. Ironically they make everyone else get sick cause they simply won't stay home no matter how obvious it is they have something bad but their supervisors eat it up and so the cycle continues.
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I know this is mostly a US people thread but the entire sick day thing is extremely fitting for this thread. Having a finite amount of days you can allot for "being sick" and getting fired for using them is so incredibly inhuman it's something from a 18th century Victorian industrial tycoon playbook.
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Son of Rodney posted:I know this is mostly a US people thread but the entire sick day thing is extremely fitting for this thread. Having a finite amount of days you can allot for "being sick" and getting fired for using them is so incredibly inhuman it's something from a 18th century Victorian industrial tycoon playbook. but what of my profits nevermind that those sick people are probably just sitting at their desks watching cat videos or shopping online
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ArbitraryC posted:Not to say it's not a management hellworld that results in this but I also feel like there's an unreasonably large segment of total suckups that refuse to use their sickday that contribute to this. Ironically they make everyone else get sick cause they simply won't stay home no matter how obvious it is they have something bad but their supervisors eat it up and so the cycle continues. Nevermind the cost of not taking a sick day! I loathe people coming to work with a cold, doing cock-all and infecting another half dozen people who then have several days of low productivity I'm sort of hoping that covid will change this and coming to work while ill will become socially unacceptable. Although given people with covid symptoms have been pressured to come in while waiting for test results I'm not hopeful.
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Code Jockey posted:but what of my profits I certainly used to have days where I was feeling like poo poo, was in the office, but was completely unproductive and may as well have not been there. I now make no compunction of going home early if I’m feeling ropey, or just taking a day off.
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We had a director literally congratulate people by name for taking very few days off last year during our department monthly meeting. He also congratulated people, by name again, for working on MLK Jr. Day. This was the first year my work had MLK Jr. Day as a holiday. And they wonder why morale is awful and we have awful churn with our software engineers.
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Son of Rodney posted:I know this is mostly a US people thread but the entire sick day thing is extremely fitting for this thread. Having a finite amount of days you can allot for "being sick" and getting fired for using them is so incredibly inhuman it's something from a 18th century Victorian industrial tycoon playbook. I think you're misinformed about what it's like to work in the US. You can still get fired even if you don't use them.
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Presenteeism:quote:Presenteeism or working while sick can cause productivity loss, poor health, exhaustion and workplace epidemics. While the contrasting subject of absenteeism has historically received extensive attention in the management sciences, presenteeism has only recently been studied. In Singapore, the term may also refer to the practice where employees stay in the office even after their work is done to wait until their bosses leave. Find the part written by management.
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Lol yeah if I see someone working for 60+ hours a week for no good reason I definitly admire them instead of thinking they're pitiable people who got brainwashed into seeing work as the point of living. Imagine making work the focus on your life instead of literally everything else.
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If I ever need to make myself throw up, I'll recall the phrase "organizational citizenship"
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This was a while ago so I might have details wrong. IT guy reads a blog post and becomes convinced that plain windows file search is terrible. It is disabled on all machines and is replaced by some third-party search app. Turns out that this particular app will just hang indefinitely because the indexing function doesn't like the files our CAD software generates. So any search of a folder or drive that isn't used exclusively by the admin staff is unsearchable. This takes weeks to resolve.
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wooger posted:I certainly used to have days where I was feeling like poo poo, was in the office, but was completely unproductive and may as well have not been there. I'm pretty sure this is just "going to work in general" for a lot of people. I certainly have a coworker who has been doing this daily for months... and now a heavy cough all the time has started up... Between that and our supervisor's "I jumped the vaccination line so I shouldn't need masks any more" it's gonna be a hell of a few weeks to months before my state opens up vaccinations further.
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ArbitraryC posted:Not to say it's not a management hellworld that results in this but I also feel like there's an unreasonably large segment of total suckups that refuse to use their sickday that contribute to this. Ironically they make everyone else get sick cause they simply won't stay home no matter how obvious it is they have something bad but their supervisors eat it up and so the cycle continues. I work with food. People routinely come in sick because the secret motto of the culinary industry is "Never Call In Sick!" That might sound crazy but it's only because most places absolutely don't have the manpower to pick up slack. Of course, that's because the pay is poo poo. At least these days they'll stay home if they don't pass the Covid screening, but I'm sure people have lied on that form. One of our guys died after Thanksgiving. He was the guy who hated masks the most, wanted to keep going out to places. I think that woke a lot of people up.
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Yeah we were supposed to be testing temperatures and sending folks home, but we were already so hideously undermanned that even one person calling in sick threw everything from 'difficult and overworked' to 'apocalytpic stress'... So we just lied and faked the numbers.
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That sounds weird because I worked a ton of restaurant jobs growing up and people were constantly calling in sick (most because they were unreliable hungover losers)
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In my experience, the hungover servers can call in sick because there are plenty of college kids to replace them. The hungover cooks don't even register that we are hungover, since that is our normal state of being. Excepting the few teetotalers and the guys who continue drinking right away in the morning, of course.
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People with kids usually don't take sick days for themselves because they need to save those days for when their kids are too sick to go to school, doctor's appointments, etc. Our society offers no support network for these situations, employers in the US don't give a gently caress about your family caretaker role, so better tread carefully, come to work sick, or get fired. Those who get paid hourly often need the money and can't afford to stay home for unpaid days off. Combined "PTO" buckets of sick + vacation days also strongly incentivize not calling out sick, because woops there goes your chance for a big trip. People say "sue 'em" for firing you for taking a sick day, but there is zero right to sick leave in the US in the federal level. I think just a few states have mandated some. Only in limited cases, like if the sick leave is related to a disability, do you have any right to it. Otherwise you're completely at the mercy of your capitalist overlords. It's easy to gripe about working for the government, but I'm extremely cognizant of having a relatively large amount of separate pools of sick AND vacation leave that I have an entitlement to use. what a barbaric country
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Thesaurus posted:People with kids usually don't take sick days for themselves because they need to save those days for when their kids are too sick to go to school, doctor's appointments, etc. Our society offers no support network for these situations, employers in the US don't give a gently caress about your family caretaker role, so better tread carefully, come to work sick, or get fired. As someone flirting with FMLA as a possible necessity, depending on some constantly-delayed test results: yes, FMLA is about the only way you're going to get out of "being fired for taking too many sick days", and that is not in and of itself a guarantee either (when I was "indefinitely laid off"... a year ago tomorrow, actually, one other person was let go at the same time, right after coming back from protracted medical leave for surgery; nominally it's not connected, but since they were cutting people by seniority and she was there the second longest out of anyone, yeah, I didn't buy it). Otherwise any sick time you get is at your employer's whim above the state/federal minimum. I'm fortunate that my manager is very willing to flex my hours to let me wedge early morning appointments in, but I'm also not customer facing and that's unrealistic for many people. International goons reading: it is worth reinforcing the statement that there is "zero right to sick leave". Have a red state sampler from my actual state and poo poo I have actually seen done:
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Thesaurus posted:It's easy to gripe about working for the government, but I'm extremely cognizant of having a relatively large amount of separate pools of sick AND vacation leave that I have an entitlement to use. I remember telling someone about a former job that counted unscheduled leave on Mondays and Fridays from your vacation leave instead of your sick leave and she was astonished at the idea of paid leave. Florida sucked, that job sucked, I thought having to use paid vacay to cover paid sick leave sucked...turns out that last one was one of the few good things about Florida.
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I brought my Drake posted:she was astonished at the idea of paid leave Ladies and gentlemen... America!
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Dang I know I’ve griped about my job but they’ve never hassled me about sick days and are good about communicating it’s fine to take them as personal days for emergency issues. When I needed to take a few days for helping with hospitalization of relative it was no problem.
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SkyeAuroline posted:As someone flirting with FMLA... That reminds me. the other barbaric thing is that even these scant few employee "rights" and "protections" can usually only be invoked through after-the-fact civil litigation. Get fired for taking FMLA? Get fired in retaliation for complaining of sexual harassment? Get fired for some other kind of discrimination? Yes, all very illegal. With luck--and direct evidence--you'll be able to hire an attorney and recover your lost wages in a few years. If your case is outrageous, the government may be able to lend you a hand and get you those wages on a similar timeline. no matter how long I stare at the american labor system, my mind is still constantly cracking and pinging at how few fucks our rich and powerful society gives about supporting workers (i.e. almost everyone who isn't wealthy)
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Thesaurus posted:People with kids usually don't take sick days for themselves because they need to save those days for when their kids are too sick to go to school, doctor's appointments, etc. Our society offers no support network for these situations, employers in the US don't give a gently caress about your family caretaker role, so better tread carefully, come to work sick, or get fired. Even in states with sick leave mandated (like mine) if it's a right to work (like mine), they just make up a reason to fire you when you call out sick. "Oh, you don't fit with the team anymore" or "you're performance as been declining and no I don't have to give details". This is completely legal as long as they don't say it's because you are a protected status
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Dang I know I’ve griped about my job but they’ve never hassled me about sick days and are good about communicating it’s fine to take them as personal days for emergency issues. When I needed to take a few days for helping with hospitalization of relative it was no problem. I've had a couple jobs with generous vacation and sick days but would grief you forever if you used them outside of a multi-week trip scheduled at least 6 months in advance. I don't like big vacations. I like a long weekend every month or two. Thankfully my current job is mega chill about using leave.
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AHH F/UGH posted:That sounds weird because I worked a ton of restaurant jobs growing up and people were constantly calling in sick (most because they were unreliable hungover losers) Sure, but nobody uses those for being actually sick cuz you won't get any other days off lol. Although I actually did (eventually) get vacation days at that lovely Domino's job.
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Mr. Sunshine posted:That might sound sweet, but the realization that I could literally walk out the door and no-one at work would even ask where I was until my time reports stopped coming in was depressing as hell. Also, since I spent most of the time just sitting on my rear end, once I had to do actual work I was rusty as hell, unmotivated as hell and had completely failed to keep up with the developments in my field. By the time I quit my skills were like ten years out of date. This is something that has been really loving with me, especially during forever at home time. I've constantly been stuck on projects where I'm either working with no one else, or with a team in another time zone, even though I'm nominally in the team that makes and maintains a specific thing. If I just don't show up, the most that happens is probably "huh, has anyone seen <first name> today?" before moving on. Love to do stand-up where I don't need to know anyone else's status and they don't need to know mine.
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Splode posted:drat America is an awful country. Yup. Was talking to some relatives from the UK and they were baffled Americans get no guaranteed paid leave. They get five weeks minimum. I’m sure there’s more to it but yeah. Same with Canadians not understanding why someone would be trying to raise money for a coworker’s kid’s medical bills.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Yup. Was talking to some relatives from the UK and they were baffled Americans get no guaranteed paid leave. They get five weeks minimum. I’m sure there’s more to it but yeah. Same with Canadians not understanding why someone would be trying to raise money for a coworker’s kid’s medical bills. Five weeks minimum. Can't imagine. Once again comparing for the non-Americans in the crowd: I get 48 PTO hours and two full-days per year and I'm in pretty good shape vs a lot of other employers in my area at the same pay bracket.
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Yeah I have a relatively high PTO rate for american and that means I'm starting at about 1 week vacation, 1 week sick, 2 floaters, or ~2.5 + the bigger federal holidays. If I work at this company for a bajillion years I think it caps out at 4 week vacation, which would be great, except employee loyalty is incredibly undervalued and sticking at one company basically means forgoing substantial raises. That'd be a good question for the basic poo poo you don't understand thread, the highest earners I know from my acquaintances basically all utilized the failing up strategy, never doing a particularly great job at their work but hopping consistently enough to accelerate their titles (and obviously payscale). While I envy their income I gotta say I don't super envy the stress that comes with the constant hunt, one of my close friends does this and he makes a truckload of money but always seems about ready to breakdown from the stress of it. I'm kind of willing to make less if it just means a more straightforward path, but why is it that companies seem to penalize long term workers? It feels like most jobs I've been at, even "unskilled", someone who had been there for the long haul was an order of magnitude more productive than people training their way up, and yet it's p consistent that the only way to get a good raise is to jump ship. Shouldn't it be win/win for companies to focus more on retainment/rewarding the strong employees?
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