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Heather Papps posted:same bat time, same bat channel gotcha, thanks! see ya there 
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Stoner Sloth posted:what was that one we watched last year which had the main character's name get repeatedly sung every time poo poo got real... think the name was DJ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOQlCD5qMPY
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gonna think on man bites dog for a while. that was something else!
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Pigsfeet on Rye posted:That was...interesting, but very black. I note that Tampopo ( a great Japanese noodle western / comedy ) is available on Youtube, that would be a good palate cleanser. yeah we need something cheerful to balance things out for sure
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We even had a brief physics lesson! About pole dancing! |
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Ya overall very rad night; thanks for hostin' it!
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turns out the movie is belgian? this makes the french being hard to decipher make sense. okay so earlier in the thread i mentioned martyrs, a french film i was incapable of finishing even though my girlfriend at the time told me it was her favourite movie ever. martyrs is about a cult that tortures captive women in order to produce visionary religious experiences and revelation, and after a few months i came to the conclusion that the film was actually about film, and the way we abuse and mistreat women in order to produce movies that we enjoy. hollywoods habit of destroying women in the pursuit of aesthetics, and the violence that occurs behind the scenes is something that we need to come to grips with, and change. the film we watched tonight had a film crew documenting the atrocities of a monster, the film crew growing progressively more involved in his malfeasance. part of the way through most of the film crew dies, and is replaced by men who IMMEDIATELY take part in the violence. in my mind this represents how initially film had to grow into it's cruelty, but those raised by the increasingly extreme violence have no problem diving into depravity, or to accelerate it. the real thrust, to me, was the responsibility society/artists have for glorifying and exhibiting despicable acts, the the degree that they are partially responsible for said acts. but here's the real kicker: am i just making excuses for exploitative film, or do these readings have weight? who knows not me!
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I have no real understanding for anyone saying martyrs would be their favorite movie  Like, if you wanna see that kind of stuff, a Serbian movie exists and is even worse but it doesn't really make things inherently better or more interesting I feel like those movies just attract with violence and once you got hardened enough to watch it you end up seeing through what the movie is doing and that's, usually, very mediocre at best
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If you all are down for something Russo-Finnish, I'd recommend Kukushka (2002), about a Russian and a Finnish soldier who end up in a small village with a Sami woman, and none of them speak the others' languages. It's on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLFVfbtU6TE |
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drat hp. when you mentioned the connection between media and violence, it truly resonated with me, but your analysis there really rings true. have a feeling that film will stick with me a long time |
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Heather Papps posted:martyrs is about a cult that tortures captive women in order to produce visionary religious experiences and revelation, and after a few months i came to the conclusion that the film was actually about film, and the way we abuse and mistreat women in order to produce movies that we enjoy. hollywoods habit of destroying women in the pursuit of aesthetics, and the violence that occurs behind the scenes is something that we need to come to grips with, and change. this is a really interesting read, and I may need to watch the movie for a second time in light of this (it wasn't something I was exactly eager to rewatch). it's such a curious film to me, in that the film really has two parts that coexist uneasily. I wonder if your theory would bring some illumination to the earlier themes; I suppose it might have something to do with child stardom specifically (a topical theme now that people are revisiting britney spears). I have always found the ending of the film quite challenging. If there were truly something horrific about the afterlife, why would Mademoiselle hasten herself into it while keeping the information from the world? if the answer is something like the afterlife just doesn't exist, why wouldn't she tell her cult to stop doing terrible things rather than dramatically but enigmatically running away from her own guilt? it would be interesting to try to reconcile the ending with your theory. Glutes Are Great posted:I have no real understanding for anyone saying martyrs would be their favorite movie well I agree it does not inherently make anything "better," and when violence is presented in a stark and unstylized way it's going to be hard to watch for most people. but by the same token neither of those things makes a movie inherently "worse," unless you think that a movie needs to be easy or enjoyable to watch to be worthwhile. there's still a list of films with violent reputations that I have not yet brought myself to watch (such as some of the lars von trier films, salo, antichrist) that may well be "good" or at least important/significant works, I may never get to form my own opinion.
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Glutes Are Great posted:I have no real understanding for anyone saying martyrs would be their favorite movie it was her favourite film due to her very unusual upbringing in a cult, and her eventual escape. this is another wrinkle to things like this: sometimes they help a person come to terms with their past, and allow healing and catharsis. to me martyrs felt like torture porn and i had to turn it off, but my childhood was relatively idyllic. but you are right i think - the violence is, for a lot of viewers, the whole point. even if the movie is trying to make a point maybe it could be made in a less aggressive way. it reminds me of a conversation i had with my brother and his wife about darling in the franxx, a weird teen robot anime which is the most insane cheesecake basically softcore porn i've ever seen. his defense was that the butts and boobs and stuff were there to bring in and appease an audience that was immature, in order to trick them into watching a story that might help them mature. i just kind of laughed at that. sax and violins, a tale as old as time. fps_nug posted:drat hp. when you mentioned the connection between media and violence, it truly resonated with me, but your analysis there really rings true. stuff like this also has a tendency to stick in my brain and either fester or ferment. i think it's a weird side effect of cognitive behavioral therapy or something but i have a habit of trying to find the best intentions in art. sometimes i do wonder if i'm just justifying things, but it's good to know this resonates! Manifisto posted:this is a really interesting read, and I may need to watch the movie for a second time in light of this (it wasn't something I was exactly eager to rewatch). it's such a curious film to me, in that the film really has two parts that coexist uneasily. I wonder if your theory would bring some illumination to the earlier themes; I suppose it might have something to do with child stardom specifically (a topical theme now that people are revisiting britney spears). despite my thoughts i really wouldn't recommend anyone watch martyrs. man bites dog had some very difficult sections but was much easier to watch, and made me laugh genuinely at a few points. the end of martyrs is something that is supposed to be completely ambiguous, but my read was that the thing that mademoiselle learned was that some sort of paradise did exist, but their actions on earth have made it so they will never get to go there. she kills herself, from the guilt, and to punish herself, and by not telling the rest of the cult dooms them to continue damning themselves to hell because they deserve it? heck maybe she discovers she's in a film, and the realization that they put women in their reality through torture for what is basically our entertainment horrifies her. quote:well I agree it does not inherently make anything "better," and when violence is presented in a stark and unstylized way it's going to be hard to watch for most people. but by the same token neither of those things makes a movie inherently "worse," unless you think that a movie needs to be easy or enjoyable to watch to be worthwhile. there's still a list of films with violent reputations that I have not yet brought myself to watch (such as some of the lars von trier films, salo, antichrist) that may well be "good" or at least important/significant works, I may never get to form my own opinion. as i've gotten older i've become sensitive to certain things. when i posted the poster i checked to see if an infant was actually shot, because that is a bridge to far for me due to my inborn sensitivities. this issue is complicated, but at the very least having these conversations and thinking about these subjects in a broader sense, (violence in film versus that violent film), makes us more concious consumers of media. saturdays film is gonna be nice and gentle and sweet and fun and smart and funny tho', gonna do some real research. also look into shorts!
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I'm very very sensitive to seeing violence in some cases, especially scenes of helpless people in agony or intense fear, but it's weird, sometimes the switch in my brain that goes "ok but this is art so suck it up," or "oh this is just a movie" can click on and help me get through it. Not often though which makes me a huge wuss. I just cannot watch 90% of horror movies from the past 50 years, even dumb action movies a la Die Hard or John Wick. I'm not sure what it is because I can watch samurai movies with lots of blood flying everywhere no problem, and I remember early on in grad school my advisor making me watch Salo "to get it over with" and not finding it very shocking or disturbing, probably because Pasolini makes it so stylized that it's just like watching Senecan drama or Elizabethan revenge plays or something.
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Heather Papps posted:the end of martyrs is something that is supposed to be completely ambiguous, but my read was that the thing that mademoiselle learned was that some sort of paradise did exist, but their actions on earth have made it so they will never get to go there. she kills herself, from the guilt, and to punish herself, and by not telling the rest of the cult dooms them to continue damning themselves to hell because they deserve it? that's a clever thought, although the implications of a theology in which once you've sinned you can never redeem yourself, and therefore there is no point in trying, are . . . confused at best. at least in relation to abrahamic theologies. and even in this case, she could tell her cult not to recruit any new members so that her ideas don't induce more people to sin. if you're going that far, why not posit she learns that there is a paradise, but no human can go there ever, no matter how good or bad they are? there would be no point in telling anyone else, because it could not help them, only make them miserable. the "doubt" is the only thing that shields people from this terrible knowledge, and even then only until death. as for herself, she realizes it doesn't matter either way if she kills herself or not, but by killing herself she can avoid revealing what she knows. but these kinds of explanations are "surface level" things, what I want to think on is how the ending might bear on this theory about abusing actresses for the purpose of entertainment. Heather Papps posted:heck maybe she discovers she's in a film, and the realization that they put women in their reality through torture for what is basically our entertainment horrifies her. I had the thought that maybe she learned that the afterlife involves endlessly rewatching all the terrible things she did in life with full, remorseless knowledge of the consequences. (this vaguely puts me in mind of another indie horror film (YellowBrickRoad) with a highly ambiguous ending.) but even in this case, it would at least make sense for her to tell her minions to stop.
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Teddy Thunders posted:It bothers me on an existential level that I'm unbothered by the violence in Man Bites Dog, and that Martyrs bothers me but not as much as I feel it should. i think you're okay. the trouble is when someone is really into violence in films.
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so! i've found 2 youtube copies of tampopo. one is a blu ray quality with no subtitles, and one is an older rip but with actual subs that seem accurate. the autotranslated captions seemed like a bit of a mess so i will do some more digging but tonite!  a noodle comedy is exactly the thing we need to forget the black and white world of shooting and stealing! my day has gotten away from me, so i haven't found a good serial short to precede, but i will look. http://psp-tv.com/r/BYOBmovies main event at 4:00 PM PST/ 7:00 PM EST/ Midnight GMT
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Heather Papps posted:so! 
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after a little bit of research i think i've found a pretty fun serial to open with dr satan vs the copperhead. it was intended to be superman, but rights issues resulted in the hero being a dude with a copper mesh hat instead. one of the reviews i read noted that there is two (2) female leads that are active, a rarity for stuff from this time, and after dick tracys dealings with lucifer and the ghost a dr satan feels incredibly appropriate. the first episode is long, almost thirty minutes, so i'll start it around 6:30 when we have a few people there. see you soon!
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Oh god, I love Tampopo but I have other plans tonight. I hope all of you who haven't seen it before like it, it's so funny and cool.
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Tampopo more like tam...tam... Yeah, anyway, it's a good movie and I am really glad people are going to watch it tonight!!! |
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IT IS HAPPENING!
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holy smokes, okay i'll make sure to double check links from now on! also, what a fuckin' film! i loved it, even with bad subs!
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Even with the funky subs, this was still a fantastically funny movie. I had seen it before, decades ago, and it was amazing how much I remembered. Thanks for hosting, HP! |
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that was really really good the fuckin old lady food pincher scene was just magnificent
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thanks everyone for attending and enduring! also it needs to be said that wednesdays film seemed to be about a theme of violence on film, but tompopo was all about the connective and community building power of food. hell, even here in our little byobmunity we have a dedicated food thread, multiple beverage threads, and the chat thread is frequently about the topic of food. it's universal and an extremely potent symbol in a million different ways, from a half dead mother preparing a last meal for her family, to a man and a woman trading an egg yolk back and forth, to a woman breastfeeding her child. sustenance is elemental, but the first bit of human culture was elevating beyond mere survival. food is art, and alchemy, and magic, and love. hell, if you put poison in it it can be hate. it can be everything, or nothing. a good film, that i enjoyed, and will be sure to watch again. also the mysterious dr satan kicks rear end. i was worried there'd be stuff that was incredibly distasteful, as is always the risk when you watch something as old as it is, but so far at least it seems pretty rad and good.
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biosterous posted:that was really really good un believable. some people say math is the universal language and i'm like hell no it's laughs, pal
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it was a great movie and a great time. but dare you confront the terrible secret of . . . ramen island??
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Manifisto posted:it was a great movie and a great time. but dare you confront the terrible secret of . . . ramen island?? [music] go go go go go go
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this wednesday at the regular time, at the regular place we will be presenting canada is foreign to a good chunk of us, (not me), and i really like the idea of not having to read any subs. coupons and deals because despite having a strong and powerful love for the kids in the hall show, i have never seen their movie! we'll be starting shorts a little early, continuing the adventures of the copperhead versus the mysterious doctor satan. please join us! 
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Heather Papps posted:this wednesday at the regular time, at the regular place we will be presenting Brain Candy is an film which is good.
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Brain Candy has an astonishingly good soundtrack. It is the exact list of things I would want to listen to in 1996.
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i like limitations, but trying to find movies in full on youtube can be a bit of a chore, especially ones that allow embedding and aren't blocked in regions. this film, by the way, is youtube blocked in syria and north korea and like 2 other places. i hate to assume but i don't think we have a lot of viewers from those regions. i was watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C4TGGtPzBU and saw the film rec'd and thought to myself this is a good idea i think
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How Wonderful! posted:Brain Candy has an astonishingly good soundtrack. It is the exact list of things I would want to listen to in 1996. good lord you're not kidding that's like an indie enthusiast's wet dream
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