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TimWinter posted:alright, I definitely loved the game and the ending, but what did this teach you about life and how to live it? I felt like it was an amazing salve on the general existential dread of living in a big, burning down world, but I guess I missed any of the takeaways. I guess I might as well try to respond since it was my comment. To me it's like having read a great novel, where you can see reflections of it as you pass through the real world afterward, but it's hard to put into words without oversimplifying or sounding trite. What I got out of it was an intensified sense of the great interiority within everyone. In video games characters are rarely more than instruments, only existing in relation to the player, without any apparent interiority; in real life, capitalism atomizes and alienates us, encourages us to instrumentalize each other, and to treat each interaction as essentially an economic transaction. One of the things that I liked about Disco Elysium was the way it concieved of the protagonist as a chaos of competing internal forces, how it gave me a window into the interiority of this man that is so drastically dissimilar to me. And then all of the non-player characters are complex and surprising in ways that makes them seem like they have the same depth and chaos within them; they'll surprise you, and they'll act in the ways that make sense to them, as if they existed before you started playing and will continue to do so when you're done. So, as trite as it sounds to say that the game reminded me that there's a huge universe in every other person, the fact is that we can't truly ever build a bridge between those universes, so the reminder is useful to me. Or maybe I'm just so impressed with it because it relates these characters as well as a great novel does, whereas my expectations for video game writing is that I'm impressed if they rival a Cannon Films script. I read plenty of novels so I don't think that's what it is. I also didn't take away that the characters were all basically at the mercy of fate. For me the story was more about how one is to persist in a doomed world where it feels like all opportunities to build a future worth living in have failed. The veteran doesn't find a way to do it; at least in my ending, Harry DuBois, having killed the version of himself that couldn't move on with alcohol, finds something to live for in his human relationships, primarily with Kim. e: feeling unsure about this earnestposting
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Mar 11, 2021 02:06
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posting about DE is super good
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Mar 11, 2021 02:14
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I love DE but I haven't finished it yet because I haven't been in the right mood I played a bunch of the first act with only one shoe, I couldn't find that poo poo anywhere. and the end of that kim and harry had a massive heart to heart chat on the balcony of whirling in rags, and kim found harry's shoe. it was awesome and devastating
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Mar 11, 2021 02:19
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after seeing it mentioned here i d/l'ed outer world and am givin' 'er a try stealing seems to be super easy
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Mar 11, 2021 02:19
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also I got lucky on a roll and found the capitalist int he shipping container
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Mar 11, 2021 02:21
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mediaphage posted:after seeing it mentioned here i d/l'ed outer world and am givin' 'er a try the last several pages have mentioned outer wilds 
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Mar 11, 2021 02:25
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mediaphage posted:after seeing it mentioned here i d/l'ed outer world and am givin' 'er a try outer worlds is not outer wilds, and the former is garbage
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Mar 11, 2021 02:27
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put cuno and cunoesse in smash brothers
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Mar 11, 2021 02:28
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i tried to move on to outer worlds immediately after finishing disco elysium and the comparison was very unkind to outer worlds
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Mar 11, 2021 02:35
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Mar 11, 2021 02:37
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I finished reading The Dark Forest and it was good. lots of politics and philosophy, and the trisolaran teardrop attack was great. I can see why some people think it's tedious but I was down for it, a character even quotes legend of galactic heroes lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou37P25tjJY SmokaDustbowl fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Mar 11, 2021 |
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Mar 11, 2021 02:57
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iif you like peter watts you'll like the three body problem books
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Mar 11, 2021 03:05
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oh gently caress all of you i can’t be expected to keep this poo poo straight. once the thread closes the words are gone from my mind now i have to find this other game to download ugh SmokaDustbowl posted:iif you like peter watts you'll like the three body problem books definitely not guaranteed
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Mar 11, 2021 03:10
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mediaphage posted:definitely not guaranteed why? they both have the same themes pretty much. like the wallfacers to watts' vampires, and the mental stamp machine, and all the nihilism lol luo ji's fuckin literal solar system killing "magic spell" was some dark poo poo SmokaDustbowl fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Mar 11, 2021 |
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Mar 11, 2021 03:15
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DE is so good it has me thinkin about actual books
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Mar 11, 2021 03:21
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SmokaDustbowl posted:why? they both have the same themes pretty much. like the wallfacers to watts' vampires, and the mental stamp machine, and all the nihilism lol discussed this elsewhere i think but i found tbe trilogy to be pretty tedious. i liked the parts covering the cultural revolution, the rest is just really too convoluted for me. and i get it, before someone starts in trying to explain it to me. it’s just not my favourite. blindsight was ok. i thought the vampires were dumb and should have been their own book (discussion ongoing in one of the space threads on this subject atm) but the book was ok. i don’t think the main thrust is very realistic but it’s interesting nonetheless
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Mar 11, 2021 03:27
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Truman Peyote posted:I guess I might as well try to respond since it was my comment. To me it's like having read a great novel, where you can see reflections of it as you pass through the real world afterward, but it's hard to put into words without oversimplifying or sounding trite. ooooh that's the stuff, that's what I was looking for. good post. real good post.
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Mar 11, 2021 03:44
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played chess for the first time in like ten years today gently caress I’m bad at chess
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Mar 11, 2021 03:53
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Kazinsal posted:played chess for the first time in like ten years today It's okay because Chess is a terrible game.
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Mar 11, 2021 03:55
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chess is for rich people who think they're smart play go it owns
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Mar 11, 2021 03:57
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SmokaDustbowl posted:chess is for rich people who think they're smart chess masters i know, really-fuckin rich peeps i know, the venn diagram makes eyeballs its a middle class affectation. go is middle class affectation in asia too favored game of the really rich in america is just 'working' way too fuckin hard and not playing any games (really it's really hosed up car and plane commute and transit times). in asia its gettin drunk off your face
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Mar 11, 2021 03:59
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go is the one that's considered to be basically impossible to "solve" because there are so many moves, right?
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Mar 11, 2021 04:00
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bob dobbs is dead posted:chess masters i know, really-fuckin rich peeps i know, the venn diagram makes eyeballs there is no middle class, just petit bougies anyway I can play go more than I can play chess. you can gently caress around when you play go lol
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Mar 11, 2021 04:01
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Kazinsal posted:go is the one that's considered to be basically impossible to "solve" because there are so many moves, right? it's something like: there are more possible games of chess than there are grains of sand in africa. there are more possible games of go than there are atoms in our galaxy. (both suck, play doom instead)
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Mar 11, 2021 04:03
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Kazinsal posted:go is the one that's considered to be basically impossible to "solve" because there are so many moves, right? it isn't solved, but there now exist computers that can utterly destroy the best human players in the world. Five or six years ago the best go program was only as good as a v. strong amateur
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Mar 11, 2021 04:03
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Sagebrush posted:it's something like: I can't play poker but I can play go
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you can do fun weird things in go, it's good for negotiation chess is for people who have to win always and all the time
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Mar 11, 2021 04:08
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Lysidas posted:the last several pages have mentioned outer wilds yeah, they are terribly closely named. i made the mistake in a discussion half a year ago or so and it still trips me now i should pick up outer wilds up again. i bounced on it after sliding the wrong way in the ice caves and it just felt like a pain in the rear end to get back there, which killed it for me. i'm not sure why that was the one, i'd reset numerous times and redone more tedious sequences in worse games v  >
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Asleep Style posted:it isn't solved, but there now exist computers that can utterly destroy the best human players in the world. Five or six years ago the best go program was only as good as a v. strong amateur yeah the program that beats humans was just one of those neural nets where they made it play against itself some insane number of times. they didn't start it with any knowledge of go, so it's just like a brute force approach to teaching it. edit: i wonder if a human that learned to play against that program would eventually learn how to beat it, maybe it's just got some novel strategies.
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Eeyo posted:yeah the program that beats humans was just one of those neural nets where they made it play against itself some insane number of times. they didn't start it with any knowledge of go, so it's just like a brute force approach to teaching it. playing against an AI is loving stupid because you can't see the other persons reactions
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Mar 11, 2021 04:30
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everyone has their own go style. I have mine and I lose all the time but that's okay
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Mar 11, 2021 04:32
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i really enjoyed Disco Elysium EXCEPT the ending i thought it was stupid as gently caress with how the bug thing was actually real and the killer was just a huge let down still a great game though i migth play it again
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Mar 11, 2021 04:33
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if you don't like the cryptid i don't know how we can ever agree on anything
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Mar 11, 2021 05:01
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I liked how the setting was sort of ambiguous if magic/ fantasy elements were real or if it was all something going on in the pc's mind. I think the thing at the end was a bit too far in that regard
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Truman Peyote posted:I guess I might as well try to respond since it was my comment. To me it's like having read a great novel, where you can see reflections of it as you pass through the real world afterward, but it's hard to put into words without oversimplifying or sounding trite. p much this, yeah thanks for this because i can't be assed to seriouspost anymore the scene where you deliver the bad news to the wife of the man who fell through the boardwalk just loving BODYSLAMMED me and i think is a great example of what you're talking about. as soon as i walked in and saw who was sitting on the bed i was immediately thinking, 'oh my god no no no NO why did it have to be her why did i gently caress with her like that oh my god i'm so sorry why did i do that ahhhh' it really added that extra twist of the knife to what was already an already emotional scene. something that only the medium of video games could accomplish because it was YOU who was acting like a dick earlier in the game, entirely of your own volition
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bobbilljim posted:I liked how the setting was sort of ambiguous if magic/ fantasy elements were real or if it was all something going on in the pc's mind. I think the thing at the end was a bit too far in that regard disco elysium spoilers regarding a side mission: i liked it because the more you gave the benefit of the doubt to the researchers the more you realized that they knew the odds they were up against and that it was actually a plausible lead they were going after, even though the odds were entirely stacked against them. in addition to that one of them *saw it with their own eyes* and at the time i wasn't sure if they had convinced themselves they'd seen it or if it was just child fantasy or whatever, but the story added up. all the other lines of investigation you pursued in the game had these tiny holes that caused the whole thing to just not sit right with me, which would turn out to be correct hunches as i'd continue to unwind the plot, but theirs was always entirely consistent and only got stronger the more i investigated. it actually got to the point where near the end i fully expected there to be a sighting of the cryptid in the ending credits or something like that because it'd be such a perfect cherry on top. of course i wasn't expecting THAT at the end
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