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Did she ask for the manager at any point? Or yell about her rights being trampled??
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That whole thread in TV IV is people not getting what they want and not being OK with the main character being Not A Good Person at the end and that’s really funny.
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Mar 12, 2021 19:35
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I rewatched BvS and still wish that there was some sort of final director's cut that kept all the extra scenes of Clark doing stuff from the ultimate cut but got rid of all the scenes that revealed that Lex was behind it all by hiring crisis actors, paying off inmates, etc.
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Mar 12, 2021 19:56
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Ferrinus posted:I rewatched BvS and still wish that there was some sort of final director's cut that kept all the extra scenes of Clark doing stuff from the ultimate cut but got rid of all the scenes that revealed that Lex was behind it all by hiring crisis actors, paying off inmates, etc. Someone summon K_Waste.
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Mar 12, 2021 19:58
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CelticPredator posted:That whole thread in TV IV is people not getting what they want and not being OK with the main character being Not A Good Person at the end and that’s really funny. The pages upon pages of theories in spoiler text only for it to be that ending was so funny in there
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Mar 12, 2021 20:03
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My main issue with it is that I'm pretty sure the writers thought she was the good guy, because they had Monica riding her dick the whole way through for absolutely zero reason. Including assuring her that, hey, don't worry, they just don't get you. If they knew what you gave up, they totally would have forgiven you for all the horrific poo poo you did to them without end for weeks
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Mar 12, 2021 20:24
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Well you can’t know that. And a character saying I understand what you did, but it’s poo poo isn’t absolving her of guilt. That’s just silly. Use your own feelings instead of what you think someone who you don’t know intentions were.
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Mar 12, 2021 20:27
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CelticPredator posted:Did she ask for the manager at any point? Or yell about her rights being trampled?? Yep, in multiple episodes whenever she was confronted with the reality of the situation. Was the first person who confronted her with the truth a POC too? I forgot. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Mar 12, 2021 |
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Mar 12, 2021 20:38
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CelticPredator posted:Did she ask for the manager at any point? Or yell about her rights being trampled?? Sort of? Look, I'm totally down for making the protagonist not be a good person in the end (Attack on Titan is doing this exceptionally well at the moment) but I feel like Wanda's actions were inadvertently rooted in Karen-esque behavior when trying to write about her processing grief that ends up with mixed/questionable messaging, i.e., an extremely powerful person privileged (cursed?) with the ability to warp reality sorta goes crazy and ends up hurting others because they can't deal with their poo poo properly. Like, this demigod witch or whatever is projecting her grief onto others, they're suffering for it and can't do anything about it unless this demigod relents. The Uberkaren. I didn't care much for the show, but that revelation stuck because it's both lol and yikes.
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Mar 12, 2021 20:42
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I'm actually kind of surprised at a lot of the comments in that polygon article. These films are easy fodder for jumping in with some snide(r) comment about them for some easy upvotes. I just think it's funny that these days the worst thing you can be is a fan of something. Talk about a film a lot, then you have some serious problems moving on. Wanting to fight back against studio meddling is just awful. But just consuming what they put out? Now that's the way to do things. Hey, a black superman might be in the works! WB is so good! Nah, ignore that stuff with the theatrical cut stuff and how it diminished roles of black and brown folks, that's obsessive and refusing to move on. Now if you hate a film and talk about it constantly it's good because you want the film to change and be different. Watching a youtube video about a series that happens to have an actor that was in a Zack Snyder film and they go off about how Superman "never smiles"? Totally normal and wanting things to change and be different. It's just a bummer that this narrative keeps getting regurgitated despite not being true. Snyder hardcores are just as bad as any fandom hardcores. It's why talking about these films is so tough because this is the "default". It's common knowledge that he is obviously an Objectivist and a Fascist. It's obvious his Superman never smiles or saves anyone. Despite none of that being true you'll almost always see a take of that by someone who half remembers the film, if even that. Detective No. 27's post should probably be added to the OP because it nails everything perfectly. This cut should be the galvanizing moment for everyone. It's about restoring an artist's vision for the film. The one he shot and was happy to be the one folks saw. Your opinion of his films doesn't even matter in this context, this is the kind of poo poo that's a victory against studio interference and meddling. But it somehow became the worst thing to happen in the industry. This poo poo gets talked about with more serious and dire tones than Disney's output account for ~40% of the box office or them buying up everything.
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Mar 12, 2021 20:45
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ruddiger posted:Yep, in multiple episodes whenever she was confronted with the reality of the situation. ???? Who was the manager? Being a Karen is about asserting your dominance over someone you think is lower than you through yelling and stomping your feet unless this changed.
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Mar 12, 2021 20:50
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CelticPredator posted:???? It’s about pulling the levers of institutional power to protect your ego/lifestyle by taking advantage of the privileged status that was granted to you by sheer luck
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Mar 12, 2021 20:58
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Jimbot posted:Detective No. 27's post should probably be added to the OP because it nails everything perfectly. This cut should be the galvanizing moment for everyone. It's about restoring an artist's vision for the film. The one he shot and was happy to be the one folks saw. Your opinion of his films doesn't even matter in this context, this is the kind of poo poo that's a victory against studio interference and meddling. But it somehow became the worst thing to happen in the industry. This poo poo gets talked about with more serious and dire tones than Disney's output account for ~40% of the box office or them buying up everything. Gosh.
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Mar 12, 2021 20:59
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CelticPredator posted:???? Karens are specifically white because there is another layer of utilizing their privilege while wallowing in being a victim. The earliest Karens were white women playing victim and calling police on black people when they got the slightest bit of pushback because they trusted the institution to protect them being a white woman over a black person. It then kind of morphed into people who yelled about masks, which is kind of an offshoot since they think being a customer means the manager will automatically take their side over the worker, which you're referring more to.
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Mar 12, 2021 21:10
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Ok fair enough.
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Mar 12, 2021 21:23
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CelticPredator posted:???? Uh, there was like half an episode of her hassling the desk personnel at that place that had Vision all chopped up until they had to call the manager
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Mar 12, 2021 21:58
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I forgot most of the show lol. Like I said it was OK at best. I just liked they left Wanda in a state of neither good nor evil. Gives room for fun stuff down the road maybe. Or maybe not.
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Mar 12, 2021 22:17
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Are narcissists and sociopaths classified as good or evil? She seemed very unconcerned for the town every time she was told what she was doing was violating their innermost thoughts and actions of her hostages, and only finally let go when her lies were exposed to her loved ones (who had less of a reaction than Padme hearing about baby and women tuskens getting slaughtered).
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Mar 12, 2021 22:22
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I dunno the people in the MCU tv thread were like “why isn’t she a hero” so idk
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Mar 12, 2021 22:26
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Antiheroes aren't really a novel concept.
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Mar 12, 2021 22:32
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McCloud posted:Uh, there was like half an episode of her hassling the desk personnel at that place that had Vision all chopped up until they had to call the manager It's not Karen behavior to call the manager. It's Karen behavior to call the manager because of some perceived slight that nobody else has a problem with. Just like it's not Karen behavior to call the cops, it's Karen behavior to call the cops over something that in no way effects you or yours.
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Mar 12, 2021 22:35
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Mar 12, 2021 22:39
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Sorry to be a pedant but I saw mansplaining totally ruined and I'm trying to keep Karen relevant!!!!
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Antiheroes aren't really a novel concept. Neither are aliens but i still like watching movies about them.
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Mar 12, 2021 23:09
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I liked WandaVision but I also think the ending could have been handled better, particularly I think Monica should have put at least a token effort into getting Wanda to turn herself in, and I think the "they don't know what you gave up for them" line was especially dumb as an attempt to downplay the horror she unleashed on people The Karen description is pretty funny tho, even if not 100% on the nose
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Mar 12, 2021 23:16
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John Wick of Dogs posted:If Snyder did another solo Superman movie what would you want it to be? Mister Mxyzptlk! Either that or Superman Smashes The Klan.
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Agent Rush posted:Mister Mxyzptlk! Either that or Superman Smashes The Klan. Mxy is more of a b-plot villain than one who can carry a whole movie, imo. In other news, a Variety interview with Ray Fisher and Joe italian surname just dropped https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywoo...cial-type=owned Some choice quotes: quote:You’d given up on Deathstroke, until being brought back for this new sequence in the Snyder Cut? quote:But didn’t a lot of stuff change? quote:People are wondering, what exactly happened? Big yikes at the Whedon stuff. There's also a nice contrast with how they describe Zack as inclusive and sharing, "like night and day". Worth a read, imo
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Bringing back the classic:
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lmfao people thought this giant dumbass was an improvement because he wrote some lovely quips
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Mar 13, 2021 01:57
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The age of ultron thing wowwww lmao
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Holy crap calling Diana “Natasha”, remember when this guy was like the savior of every nerd property? What a joke
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This makes that Polygon article even loving stupider. "Oh, you want the Snyder Cut of this movie? You're robbing other directors of the opportunity! Never mind the theatrical version was by Joss Whedon remaking his lovely Avengers movie because of Twitter"
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 SuperMechagodzilla posted:Hey Eugene, would you care to keep posting in the thread? 
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Mar 13, 2021 02:14
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lmfao
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Roth posted:lmfao Seconded
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more like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P21ecW-imlE
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Burkion posted:My main issue with it is that I'm pretty sure the writers thought she was the good guy, because they had Monica riding her dick the whole way through for absolutely zero reason. Including assuring her that, hey, don't worry, they just don't get you. If they knew what you gave up, they totally would have forgiven you for all the horrific poo poo you did to them without end for weeks According to the writers and producers, you mistook their intentions. “To those who wished a happier ending for Westview, “No, that’s not the story we’re telling, that now [Wanda] has to make everything OK,” Schaeffer says. “It wasn’t about landing her in a way where it’s like, ‘Everything’s wrapped up and squeaky clean, and she’s a hero and has done no wrong!’ She’s done a lot of wrong. And there will probably be reckonings down the line. No, I like how that’s in the gray area of misdeeds that she’s been involved in.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/tvline.com/2021/03/09/wandavision-finale-people-of-westview-hostage-tortured/amp/ ghostwritingduck fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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Making one of the few female heroines in your major cape poo poo lineup straddle the lines of morality who does some terrible/supremely wrong poo poo and isn't really punished for doing said poo poo at the end of it all is some whack rear end writing.
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teagone posted:Making one of the few female heroines in your major cape poo poo lineup straddle the lines of morality who does some terrible/supremely wrong poo poo and isn't really punished for doing said poo poo at the end of it all is some whack rear end writing. Not sure why you feel there should only be male antiheroes, assuming you’re not against antiheroes completely. I mean Snyder Bat’s did all sorts of morally questionable things in BVS and we’re supposed to see him as a hero that lost his way for a bit, consequence free.
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ghostwritingduck posted:Not sure why you feel there should only be male antiheroes, assuming you’re not against antiheroes completely. I mean Snyder Bat’s did all sorts of morally questionable things in BVS and we’re supposed to see him as a hero that lost his way for a bit, consequence free. I'm all for antiheroes; they're a great character archetype! But Wanda, again, being one of the rare heroines in a male dominated Avenger lineup, was written to essentially enslave innocents with her power, robbing them of their freewill as a means to process her grief, which itself comes across as an exploration of the super lame "crazy woman" trope. They should do better imo.
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