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Nonexistence posted:This was great. If vigilantes is ever animated I want him to move and sound like an air hockey puck. Yeah, this chapter makes me bummed there's no Vigilantes anime. Kochi's quirk would look so cool animated.
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It's cool to see how far Koichi has come. Proud of him 
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Electric Phantasm posted:It's cool to see how far Koichi has come. He's such a fun character, great sense of movement even in panels
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Vigilanties is helped tremendously by having a main character with a personality and a supporting cast that isn't overshadowed so often. Could have done without the "We make the guys who literally attempted to gang rape a teenage girl and broadcast it on the internet into good guys" thing though.
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ImpAtom posted:Could have done without the "We make the guys who literally attempted to gang rape a teenage girl and broadcast it on the internet into good guys" thing though. Yeah, that still makes me wonder what the gently caress. Considering the discourse around Bakugo and Endeavor, I can only wonder how the anime crowd would react to this.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Yeah, that still makes me wonder what the gently caress. Considering the discourse around Bakugo and Endeavor, I can only wonder how the anime crowd would react to this. I assume it's one of those "the first (x) chapters of a manga don't really establish what the rest of the manga will be like" thing but still. I would only hope a anime adaptation would tone it down a bit. It's probably the hardest hurdle to overcome to recommend Vigilantes to someone who likes MHA because the first couple of chapters come across like "This is my Grimdark MHA Fanfic with rape and murder and scantly clad teenage girls and vigilantes" instead of what the rest of the manga is about which is casual Quirk society. (Though still + scantly clad teenage girls admittedly.)
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Speaking of, could a Vigilantes anime even conceivably run in the same block as MHA without massive edits? Even by Japanese censorship standards it seems a little less kid friendly than the main series (though even that gets a bit dark at times), especially early on
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The body horror of Queen Bee would probably be better suited to a different timeslot, if not just...animating it as a batch and dropping it on Netflix between seasons Also, where did Nana's sleeves go in 305? In 304, her arms are covered when Deku arrives, but at the start of 305, she's sleeveless Vinylshadow fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Mar 12, 2021 |
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Larryb posted:Speaking of, could a Vigilantes anime even conceivably run in the same block as MHA without massive edits? Even by Japanese censorship standards it seems a little less kid friendly than the main series (though even that gets a bit dark at times), especially early on I think so to be honest. It's violent but a lot of the violence is intentionally obscured. It's why everyone has hair over the Queen Bee Eye and such. Honestly I suspect a bigger problem might be all the drat smoking.
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Larryb posted:Speaking of, could a Vigilantes anime even conceivably run in the same block as MHA without massive edits? Even by Japanese censorship standards it seems a little less kid friendly than the main series (though even that gets a bit dark at times), especially early on I’ll get back to you once we see how they handle the scene where a kid melts his parents, sister and dog
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TheKingofSprings posted:I’ll get back to you once we see how they handle the scene where a kid melts his parents, sister and dog Yeah, the League vs Liberation Army arc is probably more violent than anything that happens in Vigilantes.
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TheKingofSprings posted:I’ll get back to you once we see how they handle the scene where a kid melts his parents, sister and dog Which should happen during the upcoming season no less (that scene was from My Villain Academia right?) There’s also Mirko getting her arm ripped off a bit later on.
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The Shigaraki breakdown is probably gonna be a lot of dark silhouettes, which is too bad because I'd have it be at least as gruesome as the (relatively obscured) manga version. Like the whole thing that made that memorable is that it's a shockingly violent scene even given the arc it was in which was the most violent arc in the series already at that time.
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It's also why Shiggy is irredeemable. Sorry kid, corgis are strict liability. Not my fault, it's cosmic law, take it up with the doge upstairs.
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What I really like about this chapter is that it's not just a fight between Crawler and the Pros, but it's also the Pros trying to convince Koichi to leave it up to them, they can handle this and by successfully evading them, even a pair of top ranked heroes, Koichi is basically proving that they can't. If all these pros can't capture one vigilante, how can he trust them to keep Pop safe?
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SpacePig posted:This can really only be leading to Knuckleduster's return. I'm worried, but excited. I'm enjoying the main MHA story well enough, but I look forward to Vigilantes way more Yeah there’s no way Koichi can get away from Eraser on his own.
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RatHat posted:Yeah there’s no way Koichi can get away from Eraser on his own. he could just walk away and turn a corner, eraser is actually a terrible choice to capture someone with a speed quirk who doesn't want to fight
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Elfgames posted:he could just walk away and turn a corner, eraser is actually a terrible choice to capture someone with a speed quirk who doesn't want to fight Yeah, doesn’t Eraser’s quirk require him to be in direct eye contact with the target? All Koichi needs to do is keep low and blitz past him
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Larryb posted:Yeah, doesn’t Eraser’s quirk require him to be in direct eye contact with the target? All Koichi needs to do is keep low and blitz past him I don't think it's eye contact, he just needs to look at them.
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I think people are forgetting Eraserhead is also an expert martial artist and extremely skilled at grabbing and restraining people with that thing he wears around his neck. Which is understandable since it's been a while since that came up in the main series. And yeah, he only needs to be looking at your body to disable your powers.
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Ah right, forgot about that. Yeah, kid’s probably gonna need some help here.
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iirc Eraserhead needs to see any part of a person's body to disable their quirk, but isn't Koichi normally all covered up? Well, except his eyes.
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Man, I don't meant to rag on the main series but Vigilantes chapters like that really capture something that I haven't felt from it in a long-rear end time if ever.
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The only thing that bugs me about Vigilantes is the parts of it where it interacts with the main series cast because with the main series centering around UA and world-tier threats the pro hero cast is almost entirely top-tier heroes. They sent two top-10 heroes to catch this vigilante?
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Yeah, that’s the weird thing. Why are they sending the top heroes after a single kid whose only crime (as far as I remember anyway) is vigilantism? You’d think they’d have bigger issues to deal with at the moment.
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Fabricated posted:The only thing that bugs me about Vigilantes is the parts of it where it interacts with the main series cast because with the main series centering around UA and world-tier threats the pro hero cast is almost entirely top-tier heroes. They sent two top-10 heroes to catch this vigilante? Well remember, this is shorty after the city was bombed for the second times, as well as after a villain attacked a police officer in their own station. The cops and Pros are still in the dark and they believe that Koichi might be able to help them figure out what's going on. They know something bigger is going on here, but Koichi is their only real lead right now.
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Do we actually know their ranks? They're top ranked eventually, but since this is earlier in the timeline I've sort of assumed that most of them aren't there yet.
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The main series has wandered into power level escalation / stakes level escalation hell. Midoriya has the full weight of society/japan/the world on his shoulders but is still a child. Koichi is a young adult and only needs to save his girlfriend from one villain with a stolen quirk, and Koichi has multiple supportive friends assisting him. Vigilantes is just more focused, personal and relatable.
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Yeah I'm basically of the opinion vigilantes is far better, especially if it ends soon.
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Vigilantes has the best lizard boy as well, who in a similar vein is just hanging with his friends and being a doofus, instead of aiding the world's most dangerous monster.
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Larryb posted:Yeah, that’s the weird thing. Why are they sending the top heroes after a single kid whose only crime (as far as I remember anyway) is vigilantism? You’d think they’d have bigger issues to deal with at the moment. Think of it as a companion piece to Hero Academia. We're seeing what happens when people who aren't Koichi decide to go ham with their powers: A guy with loud soap bubbles tried to rob a family restaurant, and the owner responded by flattening several buildings, and then the even worse crime of throwing a can at Woshua. This is the state monopoly on violence: it's one thing if a criminal does bad things, but if a normal citizen thinks they can use their own talents without asking permission? Oh, that's a problem. Of course, this means the police, the heroes, and the government are incentivized to take the threat posed by the kid who helps drunks read the train schedule much more seriously than the superspeed bee body stealing mass murderer, who doesn't make them look bad. Heck, having bee murderers is good for their budgets! The more bee murderers there are, the more the public supports law enforcement. The Peerless Thief Oji Harima was right.
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This is also before the main series starts. There is no League of Villains or Stain and All Might is still handling things well. Koichi might actually be the most exciting thing happening right now.
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The heroes have no idea who the super speed killer is. The only people who have actually seen him are Pop(in a coma), Knuckleduster(MIA), and Koichi(on the run). Koichi is the only person who might be able to shed some light on what's going on, which is why the pros are after him. 2 O'clock also murdered a few heroes during the last bombing(RIP Compass Kid), as well as bombed the police station when one of the detectives got close to the truth, so the Pro and police are probably desperate for any leads right now. Rhonne fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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Mystic Mongol posted:Think of it as a companion piece to Hero Academia. We're seeing what happens when people who aren't Koichi decide to go ham with their powers: A guy with loud soap bubbles tried to rob a family restaurant, and the owner responded by flattening several buildings, and then the even worse crime of throwing a can at Woshua. This is the state monopoly on violence: it's one thing if a criminal does bad things, but if a normal citizen thinks they can use their own talents without asking permission? Oh, that's a problem. I can't believe the PLF is full of goons.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Vigilantes has the best lizard boy as well, who in a similar vein is just hanging with his friends and being a doofus, instead of aiding the world's most dangerous monster.
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I think it's also worth noting that the Pro Heroes are not like the Justice League and called out only for world-danger threats. The main series has kind of devolved into that but they spend a lot of their time responding to smaller situation. It's part of why they have whole agencies and sidekicks and such. "There is a rogue quirk user who is resisting arrest in connection with information on two extremely dangerous bombing attempts" is exactly the sort of thing they normally handled.We're used to seeing one of them showing up being a Big loving Deal because the main series is only Big loving Deals at this point but being a Top 10 also means you're handling a whole lot of 'lesser' crimes too.
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ImpAtom posted:I think it's also worth noting that the Pro Heroes are not like the Justice League and called out only for world-danger threats. The main series has kind of devolved into that but they spend a lot of their time responding to smaller situation. It's part of why they have whole agencies and sidekicks and such. "There is a rogue quirk user who is resisting arrest in connection with information on two extremely dangerous bombing attempts" is exactly the sort of thing they normally handled. That explains Edgeshot, certainly. Best Jeanist, Ingenium, and Eraserhead really should know better.
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Ingenium, at the least, was trying to talk to Koichi and convince him to let them take over. Not exactly treating him like the bad guy.
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Mystic Mongol posted:That explains Edgeshot, certainly. Best Jeanist, Ingenium, and Eraserhead really should know better. It seems pretty clear they want to actually help him avoid getting into a worse situation considering all three of them know he's saved a whole lot of lives on more than one occasion.
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Flesnolk posted:Ingenium, at the least, was trying to talk to Koichi and convince him to let them take over. Not exactly treating him like the bad guy. He was certainly crossing the Ts and dotting the Is, but his attempt to talk Koichi down falls a little flat. He knew Koichi wouldn't believe him and he had set up an elaborate trap involving a dozen sidekicks and shutting down a major street to capture him. Who would believe a pro hero who says they want to talk, if they have a history of crap like that? Meanwhile Beat Jeanist acknowledged Koichi's concerns: That the cops and heroes are inadequate to the situation. He tries to prove that he's capable of protecting Pop Step by capturing Koichi, which... sure, why not, he's got an ideology he can put to the test. But when he's unable to capture Koichi, he doesn't take it as evidence that he couldn't protect Pop Step. He and Edgeshot assume they're in the right, and any evidence to the contrary is discarded without concern. The villain he was facing was just too irrational, too desperate, to realize that the pro heroes should be trusted unconditionally. Eraserhead: We'll see I guess? His heroic standards included not arresting small time crooks and instead keeping an eye on them at their cat cafe, which is admirable and cool. Anyway the pro heroes are bad and crime fighting should instead be handled by local community members who are best able to...  ...oh no. The criminal in question was trying to rob a cash register.
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