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don't mourn organize etc
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dead gay comedy forums posted:don't mourn organize etc Don't like the mods? Vote!
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really queer Christmas posted:Preemptive free larry lmfao
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Larry Parrish posted:I'm just really sick of these gringo morons trying to tell me what to think  to a real one
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Mar 13, 2021 07:17
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Homeless Friend posted:Most mods rejected his message Lmao
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THS posted:china is being accused of putting millions of people in camps and doing mass murder like the nazis. what is the evidence for that exactly THS posted:im not sure what they disagree about, since you are being a little vague on what exactly the sources say. i dont think even the Genocide Denialists would deny there is coerced cultural assimilation occurring. the kind of accusations i see on reddit, and here, go way beyond that, and the sources they cite are quite suspect! Alright, help me understand what you're getting at. So you say there is coerced cultural assimilation going on. I think that one of the problems in the general overarching dialogue throughout the forums here is a bunch of confusion and obfuscation of the meaning of the word 'genocide.' You seem to be defining genocide in a very narrow term here, where it must resemble the extermination camps of nazi germany? Maybe? But later on you mention "Genocide Denialists" and you also mention that the accusations are overblown. What is the point you're trying to make? How do you define genocide? When does "coerced cultural assimilation" cross the line and enter into genocide territory? THS posted:is this trotskyism. imo would be drawing false equivalence between the USA and USSR in the 20th century. just like the earlier discussion on cuba, there are precisely three years in russia where socialism happened and everything after was bad authoritarianism not done in the right way, not by the book how is this trotskyism? how does any of this have anything to do with trotsky? in which 3 years was there socialism in russia? before the introduction of NEP? what
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Mar 13, 2021 07:46
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Lol somehow I just realized Cspam actually has dozens of IKs and mods wtf.
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Mar 13, 2021 07:49
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Source4Leko posted:Lol somehow I just realized Cspam actually has dozens of IKs and mods wtf. Most of them dont do anything but they keep the feng shui balanced
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 Gonna say I find it rich that I am to ignore certain sources when it comes to their "it was just at the time" justification of past American Imperial adventures versus how I should view their current work of building consensus for whatever the gently caress mistake we are going to do next.
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Neurolimal posted:Most of them dont do anything but they keep the feng shui balanced Our numbers grow stronger daily and soon we will outnumber posters entirely. Until that day comes we will strive through our convalescent energies of action and non-action to develop a naturally balanced and harmonious C-SPAM
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Dustcat posted:we narrowly avoided a fascist takeover through sheer luck on 1/6, and nobody in power seems too interested in preventing followup attempts Was finding posts ppl were probated for and had to gawk for a second at the sheer majesty of this post.
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twoday posted:Alright, help me understand what you're getting at. So you say there is coerced cultural assimilation going on. I think that one of the problems in the general overarching dialogue throughout the forums here is a bunch of confusion and obfuscation of the meaning of the word 'genocide.' You seem to be defining genocide in a very narrow term here, where it must resemble the extermination camps of nazi germany? Maybe? But later on you mention "Genocide Denialists" and you also mention that the accusations are overblown. What is the point you're trying to make? How do you define genocide? When does "coerced cultural assimilation" cross the line and enter into genocide territory? i dont think you get the last part about trotskyism because i was just giving apropos some friendly poo poo, its not really important - i used to be a trotskyist. anyway here is where i explain my point about why i think it's not just overblown, but that the narratives, and rapidly increasing media focus on china (that isn't coming out of nowhere), is actually dangerous THS posted:anyway im less interested in the communist or not-communist nature of china (in this discussion), than i am in the constantly churning escalating rhetoric, and hysterical narratives being built up to juice the american public for the Big Bad - and countering those narratives is extremely important, because americans en masse adopting the mindset that china is the new nazi germany is more dangerous than anything else - well maybe second to climate change - but it’s pretty up there as far as both threats to human existence, and as creating an enemy outsider to focus on and hate, in attempts to whip americans into a disciplined nationalism so they ignore all of our own way more hosed up bullshit earlier than that i said basically the same thing THS posted:it’s not in their “best interests” but every year this seems to escalate and get worse, and it can take on its own irrational inevitable confrontation over time. world history is replete with examples, and there is nothing about “modern times” to suggest that we have moved beyond these types of great power conflicts. so my point is that, from my experience in the last few months especially, and in the last couple years generally - with news media and foreign policy reporting including NPR, new york times, guardian, whatever - is a marked increase in the amount of hostile focus on China. i think it's really critical to examine reporting that seems to be really loving inaccurate about xinjiang, much of which has been questioned by independent leftist media like the greyzone. the more sensational reporting repeated in lamestream media seems to always have ties to falun gong or whatever cynical weirdo China Watchers who always reinforce the US state dept narrative if you pay attention and read China Discourse, among americans and westerners, on places like twitter and reddit and here, or whatever social media, the rhetoric is shifting increasingly into stuff like "millions of people are in concentration camps, people are being sterilized, there are mass graves and mass murder" with little credible evidence to back this up - and comparisons to Nazi Germany, which indeed would make China a very bad place, and if all of this stuff were true, why shouldn't we be funding some seperatists, taking a harder line, maybe some sanctions... build more missile launchers around the china sea, a bigger navy.. doesn't all that become more justifiable once this narrative takes hold? in my mind i'm making a really obvious and clear set of related points 1) these narratives are obviously being heightened and ramped up because the US political establishment is attempting to manufacture consent for a new cold war, and in fact this has already started 2) i'm doing a whataboutism, because i think it's completely insane for americans to focus on the crimes of China while they live in the greatest purveyor of military violence in the world, which not only has better documented long term mass incarceration and complete disregard for human rights, but has in the last 20 years aggressively invaded other nations and murdered millions of people. 3) ramping up into this new cold war is risking the most dangerous geopolitical conflict on earth between the current declining empire and a new rising power, when clearly cooperation is the only way out of either mutual ruin, or civilizational collapse from climate change and if all of this seems too US centric, it's because i'm a dumbass american and i'm just trying to stop other english speakers under the loving hegemony from failing to critically examine why China is becoming the Big Deal and the Big Baddie, while our own system slowly collapses around us and greatly harms the rest of this now global system i'll end my defense with a quote from noam chomsky "My own concern is primarily the terror and violence carried out by my own state, for two reasons. For one thing, because it happens to be the larger component of international violence. But also for a much more important reason than that; namely, I can do something about it. So even if the U.S. was responsible for 2 percent of the violence in the world instead of the majority of it, it would be that 2 percent I would be primarily responsible for. And that is a simple ethical judgment. That is, the ethical value of one’s actions depends on their anticipated and predictable consequences. It is very easy to denounce the atrocities of someone else. That has about as much ethical value as denouncing atrocities that took place in the 18th century." THS fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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isn't it strange that all of the information about everything has to be condensed and completely sorted out and through a single man? a German man with such astuteness that he can be the entire voice, no, the rallying cry of a province unheard and unseen, known only to him and him alone, his cognizance and correspondence our window into an otherwise sooty and smoggy place unseen, whether by the firewall or the wall of fire thrown up by the assholes trying to fan these flames
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i just want to let the record show that i love adrian zenz
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ArfJason posted:Was finding posts ppl were probated for and had to gawk for a second at the sheer majesty of this post. thank you for quoting that. that's incredible also free larry
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Phone posted:i just want to let the record show that i love adrian zenz Friend Computer acknowledges you. The Basilisk has spared you for one more day.
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(in xi jinping thought bootcamp) can you lend a uyghur a pencil
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Victory Position posted:isn't it strange that all of the information about everything has to be condensed and completely sorted out and through a single man? a German man with such astuteness that he can be the entire voice, no, the rallying cry of a province unheard and unseen, known only to him and him alone, his cognizance and correspondence our window into an otherwise sooty and smoggy place unseen, whether by the firewall or the wall of fire thrown up by the assholes trying to fan these flames hey it worked for achmed chalabi
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you ain't my bitch uyghur, buy your own drat fries
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Homeless Friend posted:(in xi jinping thought bootcamp) can you lend a uyghur a pencil Can you lend a uyghur a sandwich and my first thought wasnt oh he said it he said the u word it was Uyghur is you gonna give it back?
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Lwhoops the quote was about borrowing a fry
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AnimeIsTrash posted:you ain't my bitch uyghur, buy your own drat fries lmao
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THS posted:so my point is that, from my experience in the last few months especially, and in the last couple years generally - with news media and foreign policy reporting including NPR, new york times, guardian, whatever - is a marked increase in the amount of hostile focus on China. i think it's really critical to examine reporting that seems to be really loving inaccurate about xinjiang, much of which has been questioned by independent leftist media like the greyzone. the more sensational reporting repeated in lamestream media seems to always have ties to falun gong or whatever cynical weirdo China Watchers who always reinforce the US state dept narrative I don't know what kind of news sources you guys are tapped into. I'm sure NPR etc. are doing the standard thing you claim they're doing, and yes, I also believe that the recent claims of millions of holocausted Uighurs is likely extremely bogus. The thing is, I never hear about it except by way of a few people in C-SPAM going out of their way to deny it, and the original problem we all had with that is how gross it seems for people to be railing against a non-existent propaganda problem on C-SPAM by denying that the Chinese government has been oppressing the poo poo out of Muslims in Xinjiang for several decades. None of the cultural genocide/forced assimilation stuff is new. I wrote papers about it in college and none of the sources were right-wing cultists or whatever you guys are talking about. I think it's extremely hosed up to defend China on this issue because it doesn't fit your definition of genocide or you think it's all made up to justify war. I agree that we should be focusing on our own backyard considering the similarities, but that's what I've been doing and I literally only hear about this issue from people defending China. Flavius Aetass fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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THS posted:3) ramping up into this new cold war is risking the most dangerous geopolitical conflict on earth between the current declining empire and a new rising power, when clearly cooperation is the only way out of either mutual ruin, or civilizational collapse from climate change I ought to point this out for the doom and gloom motherfuckers, who obviously know this, but might be afraid to be a bit more stalwart in their defense
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Flavius Aetass posted:I don't know what kind of news sources you guys are tapped into. I'm sure NPR etc. are doing the standard thing you claim they're doing, and yes, I also believe that the recent claims of millions of holocausted Uighurs is likely extremely bogus. The thing is, I never hear about it except by way of a few people in C-SPAM going out of their way to deny it, and the original problem we all had with that is how gross it seems for people to be railing against a non-existent propaganda problem on C-SPAM by denying that the Chinese government has been oppressing the poo poo out of Muslims in Xinjiang for several decades. None of the cultural genocide/forced assimilation stuff is new. I wrote papers about it in college and none of the sources were right-wing cultists or whatever you guys are talking about. I think it's extremely hosed up to defend China on this issue because it doesn't fit your definition of genocide or you think it's all made up to justify war. someone has finally figured out they are posting on a communist subforum
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Flavius Aetass posted:I don't know what kind of news sources you guys are tapped into. I'm sure NPR etc. are doing the standard thing you claim they're doing, and yes, I also believe that the recent claims of millions of holocausted Uighurs is likely extremely bogus. The thing is, I never hear about it except by way of a few people in C-SPAM going out of their way to deny it, and the original problem we all had with that is how gross it seems for people to be railing against a non-existent propaganda problem on C-SPAM by denying that the Chinese government has been oppressing the poo poo out of Muslims in Xinjiang for several decades. None of the cultural genocide/forced assimilation stuff is new. I wrote papers about it in college and none of the sources were right-wing cultists or whatever you guys are talking about. I think it's extremely hosed up to defend China on this issue because it doesn't fit your definition of genocide or you think it's all made up to justify war. im “defending china” because there is clearly a ramping up in the kind of rhetoric that leads to war (or proxy conflicts), based on very suspect reporting! i don’t see how you say, and i paraphrase here at your disadvantage, “im sure npr and nyt and wapo are doing this exact sort of rhetorical consent manufacturing that you claim is occurring, but i never hear about it except on cspam” wtf?? a) this is a forum about loving politics and socialism b) christ look at the other places with dorks chatting about this stuff and you act like the npr falun gong reporting is having no effect - i think it is! and im going to point out what effect i think it has in the relevant discussion threads on cspam, including this thread and the china thread i don’t understand your confusion over why this is a topic of vigorous discussion, in the politics socialism jokes forum and i also dont understand any approach that demands the community ban anyone arguing anything close to this viewpoint, because im not saying anything different from what said banned people argued well, i do understand it, but i dont respect it
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Free the cspam political prisoners, down with narcissistic scumbag fluffdaddy (shall I provide citations for this claim, you fragile, ego-searching little man? ) and his mod cronies
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THS posted:well, i do understand it, but i dont respect it I have to add, "what do you get from this all, anyway?" what adherence to whatever you draw from excuse this? is discussion of this not allowed anywhere?
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also you're clearly a loving terrible moderator and the internal conflict you experience on "should i use these buttons and be thin skinned as hell against casual slights, the effect of which will piss people off and make large segments of this community hate me" - don't use those buttons next time you quavering dumbass
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I honestly have no idea what it is you're supposed to do. what thread are you the IK of? what province do you govern? are a floater that just flits from thread to thread to enact vengeance or is there something guiding your hand? it's a strange thing, I'll say
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The gall of America’s concern trolling over Muslim rights in China is pretty loving funny after they permanently destroyed the any resemblance of stability in the Middle East and North Africa with war and mass murder over the last 20 years (and continuing to do so) for $$
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DanteDevils posted:The gall of America’s concern trolling over Muslim rights in China is pretty loving funny after they permanently destroyed the any resemblance of stability in the Middle East and North Africa with war and mass murder over the last 20 years (and continuing to do so) for $$ we live in a hosed up world when the economy is supposed to be SSS-rank at all times
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if npr etc. are doing anything like what we're claiming--playing fast and loose with the facts to sell another war to the US public-- and npr etc. constitute the main sources of information for most americans, i think it's not only fair game to criticize them, but probably important that someone is doing so edit: if any kind of media criticism about the issue has to be flanked with assurances that the critic in question agrees that china is a repressive state and especially for groups like the ugyhurs, then so be it. it will just make the posts longer and have unnecessary word padding, but if that's what's required to get the point across, in each and every post about this, then fine Finicums Wake fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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free Tibet!
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Flavius Aetass posted:that does seem fair. i didn't mean to make it seem like that was an official ruling, like we all decide how we feel about certain topics, but Xinjiang in particular is something that has been discussed at length because we felt our responses should not be wildly different from mod to mod. He already answered why the Xinjiang stuff gets treated differently. There is the fear of being accused of the "genocide-denying forum" in SA. Nevermind that you can cheer on western imperialism (including genocide) in SA without getting banned outright or support a rapist president when he wears the right colors. So better let CSPAM follow the state department line or some people will make a QCS thread and be mean. It's beyond pathetic.
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