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GoutPatrol posted:Uh I suggest you read up on the story of Bye Bye birdie again. Something else than, there has to be at least one musical that doesn't have a horrible message, I only really know the opening number from the film. Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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Skwirl posted:Something else than, there has to be at least one musical that doesn't have a horrible message, I only really know the opening number from the film. Which isn’t in the musical
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Mar 13, 2021 00:40
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inferis posted:Which isn’t in the musical I honestly only know that bit because it was on Mad Men. But yeah, film adaptations of musicals almost always have a new song because you can only get an Oscar for Best Original Song if it's an actual new song.
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Mar 13, 2021 00:44
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That's the only but I know and I thought it was supposed to be creepy in mad men. Isn't that whole scene about them wanting a "young girl" etc?
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Mar 13, 2021 00:45
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Thanks to this thread I've had that Benny Mardones song stuck in my drat head for days now. Just enjoying a nice quiet moment and my brain interrupts with "Sheeee's just 16 years old!...". Why does that song have to be so catchy?
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Mar 13, 2021 01:12
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King Vidiot posted:Thanks to this thread I've had that Benny Mardones song stuck in my drat head for days now. Just enjoying a nice quiet moment and my brain interrupts with "Sheeee's just 16 years old!...". The worst songs always are.
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Mar 13, 2021 04:01
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Bust Rodd posted:He’s literally in the mansion in FL with some of the girls getting a massage in the room where all the rapes happened. His defenses, in order: I remembered that he was terrible, but there's so many ghastly loving people out there I get them confused. Was there someone who used the defence 'my wife was there the whole time'? or have I made that up?
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Mar 13, 2021 04:03
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Snowman_McK posted:I remembered that he was terrible, but there's so many ghastly loving people out there I get them confused. Was there someone who used the defence 'my wife was there the whole time'? or have I made that up? No you’re right https://twitter.com/alandersh/status/1275236810210279424?s=21
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Mar 13, 2021 04:04
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and his daughter gently caress sake.
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Mar 13, 2021 04:36
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So Sia got lambasted for her autism movie Music but I feel like there’s a buried lede here https://twitter.com/miucclamuse/status/1369065488928677888?s=21 https://twitter.com/miucclamuse/status/1369094200210374658?s=21 Seriously tho wtf. If we thought it was at least not okay michael Jackson did this why are people letting this slide Remember how everyone couldn’t stop praising how “brave” their music videos were?
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Mar 13, 2021 04:52
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Her movie about autism is so unbelievably offensive and stupid that it’s pretty clear anyone with half a brain in their head is kept completely outside of this woman’s orbit so the sweet sweet money keeps rolling in. Also yes she appears to be grooming the hell out of this child that she just came out of the closet for?
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Mar 13, 2021 04:56
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I remember being uncomforable that a child was dancing so intensely with an adult man but I didnt say anything cause my sister was the one showing me the video lmao gently caress
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Mar 13, 2021 04:58
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Alan Smithee posted:Seriously tho wtf. If we thought it was at least not okay michael Jackson did this why are people letting this slide oh don't worry i'm sure people will treat this almost identically
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Mar 13, 2021 05:03
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King Vidiot posted:Thanks to this thread I've had that Benny Mardones song stuck in my drat head for days now. Just enjoying a nice quiet moment and my brain interrupts with "Sheeee's just 16 years old!...". Not to defend the "young girl" poo poo, but it's quite prevalent isn't it? The Alabama Song by The Doors comes to mind, where the singer is clearly lusting after a "little girl." Like, back the gently caress up, Jimbo. What exactly do you mean by "little?"
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Mar 13, 2021 05:09
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Lmao I sure hope some of you never talk to your parents about what sex and dating were like back then. It cannot be stressed enough how hypernormalized loving teens seemed to be in music and movies back then. I really have no idea about TV’s depictions of sex in the 70’s and 80’s, but a 40 year old man talking about a hit teen girl was a guaranteed bop back then. I’m saying all this as the child of what would be considered a problematic age gap today, lol. My mom was also my dad’s 3rd marriage, lmao.
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Mar 13, 2021 05:14
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Bust Rodd posted:It cannot be stressed enough how hypernormalized loving teens seemed to be in music and movies back then. "You wanna know what comes between me and my Calvin's?"
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Mar 13, 2021 05:19
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it's not exactly gone, you just can't say it out loud anymore
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Mar 13, 2021 05:22
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I always feel like it's weird we just kind of accepted the heavy sexualization of teenagers in horror movies. Like "Yeah some teenagers get naked have a bunch of sex and then die" is all kinds of hosed up even if the actors portraying them were overage (and they *weren't always*) Like it was just considered utterly normal to see characters being presented as teenagers showing their boobs and then being gutted.
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Mar 13, 2021 05:28
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ImpAtom posted:I always feel like it's weird we just kind of accepted the heavy sexualization of teenagers in horror movies. Like "Yeah some teenagers get naked have a bunch of sex and then die" is all kinds of hosed up even if the actors portraying them were overage (and they *weren't always*) Like it was just considered utterly normal to see characters being presented as teenagers showing their boobs and then being gutted. At least in those the characters are roughly the same age.
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Mar 13, 2021 06:10
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A shitload of horror movie monsters are coded as sexual predators mind.
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Mar 13, 2021 07:41
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A shitload of horror movie monsters are coded as sexual predators mind. I think of them mostly as predators that are also sexual.
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Mar 13, 2021 07:50
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Skwirl posted:At least in those the characters are roughly the same age. Sort of. The characters technically are but the villains are almost always older, and often uncomfortably sexual. Like god knows Freddy Kruger already had the molester overtones before the reboot made it overt and Chucky ain't much different.
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Mar 13, 2021 08:09
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Once again the thread must be reminded that there is not a single rock star active between 1950 and, say, 1990 who did not commit statutory rape of a groupie at least once, if not several times, in their career
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Richie Valens? Wasn't there a horror movie on streaming (I want to say its "It Follows," but I can't remember) that essentially was if you have sex/lose your virginity you get killed by a monster. Sort of putting the horror trope of sex being bad front and center instead of putting under a layer or two.
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Mar 13, 2021 08:37
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ImpAtom posted:Sort of. The characters technically are but the villains are almost always older, and often uncomfortably sexual. Like god knows Freddy Kruger already had the molester overtones before the reboot made it overt and Chucky ain't much different. With Freddy that’s intentional and you’re feeling the right thing.
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ImpAtom posted:Sort of. The characters technically are but the villains are almost always older, and often uncomfortably sexual. Like god knows Freddy Kruger already had the molester overtones before the reboot made it overt and Chucky ain't much different. I meant the teenagers having sex with each other before being murdered.
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Mar 13, 2021 08:42
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CelticPredator posted:With Freddy that’s intentional and you’re feeling the right thing. It's intentional but the way Freddy went from the villain to what about to the guy you're expected to cheer for makes it a whole lot more uncomfortable in bad ways.
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ImpAtom posted:It's intentional but the way Freddy went from the villain to what about to the guy you're expected to cheer for makes it a whole lot more uncomfortable in bad ways. Well that’s the brilliance of Robert England and how fun the movies got. Personally for me? I dig it because I think that character is a blast to watch but I get it. 3 was a fantastic middle spot where it was still fun but also Freddy was very much the villain. 4 pushes it but dang that movie is a massive messy blast of insanity.
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Mar 13, 2021 09:10
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ImpAtom posted:It's intentional but the way Freddy went from the villain to what about to the guy you're expected to cheer for makes it a whole lot more uncomfortable in bad ways. This is a really dumb take.
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Mar 13, 2021 09:43
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(Probably obvious) I always took Halloween shooting from the murderers pov as he murders sex havers as a commentary on hosed up American prude morality... and then killing horny teenagers just became the thing to copy.
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Mar 13, 2021 11:28
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movie murderers and monsters were just incels and abstinence churchies
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Mar 13, 2021 11:30
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ImpAtom posted:It's intentional but the way Freddy went from the villain to what about to the guy you're expected to cheer for makes it a whole lot more uncomfortable in bad ways. You arent expected to cheer for him, youre looking forward to the creativity of the kills, which is a slight distinction. 4 was when the series switched over to Freddy kill fun, and its also when the movies strictly switched over to him ignoring his history at all (he had killed every kid of the people that burned him at that point and was now all about eating souls).
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Mar 13, 2021 12:09
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I’m honestly more upset by arthouse child nudity than I am about horror movie sexual psychosis. Like, for example, the topless child in American Beauty whose parents signed off on her pornographic scene... that’s, uh, extremely insanely weird! You can use stunt boobs or something! Obviously AB is, in the context of 2021, a frankly completely bizarre film that could be pulled apart with a fine tooth comb, but that girl was only 15-16 at the time of shooting and her folks signed off on it because they thought it would help her career. That’s what freaks me out about it, that there was a set full of people, actors and producers and directors and set designers and lighting make-up and the producer comes in one day and goes “ok everyone, places, were getting ready to sexualize a child! It’s ok! Her mom said it’s fine! PLACES, People! ACTION!”
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Bust Rodd posted:I’m honestly more upset by arthouse child nudity than I am about horror movie sexual psychosis. Thora Birch's parents are an exceptionally weird case and why she more or less vanished despite an extremely promising career. your overall point is still bang on, though.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the whole slasher thing killing teens bonking in beds started with Halloween, and it wasn't anything to do with any sort of artsy fartsy commentary, John Carpenter just needed this teen couple to be distracted while Myers sneaks up on them, and thought "hmm, what could this couple be doing where they wouldn't notice a murderer behind them... EUREKA"
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Mar 13, 2021 14:06
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Alan_Shore posted:Correct me if I'm wrong but the whole slasher thing killing teens bonking in beds started with Halloween, and it wasn't anything to do with any sort of artsy fartsy commentary, John Carpenter just needed this teen couple to be distracted while Myers sneaks up on them, and thought "hmm, what could this couple be doing where they wouldn't notice a murderer behind them... EUREKA" Not the only teen couple who had sex killed in that movie. Deaths of artists and stuff; the subtext built itself.
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Mar 13, 2021 14:08
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deety posted:At the risk of getting too off track from Hollywood, it's probably worth mentioning that the play My Fair Lady was based on was probably inspired by real-life misogynist Thomas Day, who adopted two preteen girls in hopes of raising his own ideal wife. Some of his techniques were both mentally and physically abusive. He didn't end up marrying either one, and there were definitely some folks creeped out by the situation. But nobody really stepped in to protect those girls.
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Alan Smithee posted:So Sia got lambasted for her autism movie Music but I feel like there’s a buried lede here This article ... oof. https://www.pajiba.com/celebrities_are_better_than_you/the-problem-with-sia-and-her-use-of-her-muse-maddie-ziegler.php "I wouldn’t make art if it didn’t include her." On a different note, this "reviewer": https://twitter.com/splungekik/status/1370017053864775682 Davros1 fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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Bust Rodd posted:Also yes she appears to be grooming the hell out of this child that she just came out of the closet for? And you're basing this on... what? Because she's weird? I mean like, maybe, you could say it "appears to be" the case but there's literally no proof. But then there wasn't "proof" of Asia Argento and that young actor until they were suddenly sleeping together when he came of age, so... I mean maybe. But we don't know anything right now so 
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Davros1 posted:On a different note, this "reviewer": I wonder how many people are unaware of what Roman Polanski actually did because it's much worse than "had sex with a 13 year old" which is already something that makes you a monster of the highest order. I don't blame the judge for planning to throw out the plea bargain - Polanski deserved the fifty years the judge wanted to give him.
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