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CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

OwlFancier posted:

Is there a large constituency for "I just want to gently caress children, I haven't actually done it" ?

There are people that are that and want to get help for it

These people are not that

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Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



ultrafilter posted:

I'm really impressed with how quickly the whole thing is falling apart.

The whole internet loves NFT, a lovely blockchain that burns rain forests

*five seconds later* We regret to inform you that NFT is bad actually

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

👁️🔥👁️👁️👁️BE NOT👄AFRAID👁️👁️👁️🔥👁️

CharlestheHammer posted:

There are people that are that and want to get help for it

These people are not that
Yes, there's a difference between seeing a therapist for it and talking constantly on the internet about how actually everything is totally fine. The second starts becoming an echo chamber of people convincing themselves and each other that every new step is okay and justified as long as there's no touching involved, which I think we can all agree is seriously, seriously untrue.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


https://twitter.com/intrnetdaughter/status/1371210405838733314

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007


Eet eez non deefficeault zu leauearn Frauncheux, heuoneestleux!

old bean factory
Nov 18, 2006

Will ya close the fucking doors?!
One kwassoint please

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider
Lol someone in the replies made fun of French for nouns having gender and a French person got real mad about it.

Granted they were right about English having no consistent pronunciation but I thought it was funny they literally went “you DARE complain about gendered nouns?”

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
The real crime isn't having gendered nouns, it's how there's no consistency between languages whatsoever (since gender is arbitrary). The gender of German and French nouns is often flipped entirely.

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

ultrafilter posted:

I'm really impressed with how quickly the whole thing is falling apart.

Same, I was expecting to have to wait at least a few months lol

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

👁️🔥👁️👁️👁️BE NOT👄AFRAID👁️👁️👁️🔥👁️

I really hope this makes most people stop buying NFT, but I know they'll just move to something equally as stupid and environmentally destructive.

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider
I just assume it’s based on whatever the old dude codifying the language was trying to gently caress at the time, hence une voiture

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬




They're doing it wrong, refuse to learn French and then you won't have to deal with Parisians.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




EL BROMANCE posted:

They're doing it wrong, refuse to learn French and then you won't have to deal with Parisians.

Yes, but then:

https://twitter.com/intrnetdaughter/status/1371213512907878401

It sounds like she doesn't really want to live in France at all.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
Turns out you need to learn the local language if you go to a different country or getting a job and finding housing is going to be difficult. And if you want to live in the expensive parts of a country it's going to be harder. Huh.

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

OwlFancier posted:

Is there a large constituency for "I just want to gently caress children, I haven't actually done it" ?

Yes, the majority of pedophiles know acting on the impulse would be terrible and so they don't do it, instead indulging in it through media and roleplaying with other adults. As much as it sucks, it's likely that sexual attraction to prepubescents is a hardcoded sexuality the way hetero and homosexuality are, in which case the proshippers have a point that having that sort of content serves a social good, providing an outlet for desires that cannot be actually realized.

But thats one part of what would be a complex argument even for reasonable adults. In fandom it's a loving nightmare sucking in a whole whole host of toxic behaviors that have been normalized in that space.

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1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.

there wolf posted:

As much as it sucks, it's likely that sexual attraction to prepubescents is a hardcoded sexuality the way hetero and homosexuality are

citation needed

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Also a bit odd given that I specifically don't experience sexuality as being hardcoded.

GreenMetalSun
Oct 12, 2012

there wolf posted:

Yes, the majority of pedophiles know acting on the impulse would be terrible and so they don't do it, instead indulging in it through media and roleplaying with other adults. As much as it sucks, it's likely that sexual attraction to prepubescents is a hardcoded sexuality the way hetero and homosexuality are, in which case the proshippers have a point that having that sort of content serves a social good, providing an outlet for desires that cannot be actually realized.

But thats one part of what would be a complex argument even for reasonable adults. In fandom it's a loving nightmare sucking in a whole whole host of toxic behaviors that have been normalized in that space.

If looking at porn prevented rape, there would be no such thing as rape.

Based on literally all human experience throughout the entirety of history, we already know this is false.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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GreenMetalSun posted:

If looking at porn prevented rape, there would be no such thing as rape.

Based on literally all human experience throughout the entirety of history, we already know this is false.
Conversely, I'd argue rapists don't rape because they lack sexual outlets. I do know there's people who experience unwanted attraction to minors who do not act on that and who are horrified at the thought of acting on it. I want those people to get help so they can be healthy people who continue not to act on their unwanted urges. I have no idea how fiction plays into this strategy of harm reduction, because I suspect it varies from person to person and I'm not any sort of mental health professional, and it's a hard thing to run studies on.

I don't think just indulging your fantasies without seeking out other help is going to be the thing that stops you, but I don't know if there's a safe amount of fantasizing in conjunction with therapy that can help. I also know people who were molested as kids that have found, at their therapist's suggestion, that indulging in certain fictional scenarios help them obtain emotional catharsis. Other people who have been through similar things would only be harmed by trying to do the same thing, because people aren't all the same.

As a survivor of CSA, this is an issue I take extremely seriously.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

christmas boots posted:

I just assume it’s based on whatever the old dude codifying the language was trying to gently caress at the time, hence une voiture

Worse, it's because linguists arbitrarily decided to call that particular grammatical feature "gender" when it's not actually all that connected to it, especially in languages with more than two. See: Der Mann, das Frau, das Mädchen, die Wolke (male man, neuter woman, neuter girl, female cloud)

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

1stGear posted:

citation needed

I can't imagine funding for this type of study is easy to come by. Or groups that are looking to do genuinely unbiased research.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

OwlFancier posted:

Also a bit odd given that I specifically don't experience sexuality as being hardcoded.

You mean you’re asexual or you chose your sexual orientation or it shifted over time on its own or what?

Platystemon has a new favorite as of 18:32 on Mar 15, 2021

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

👁️🔥👁️👁️👁️BE NOT👄AFRAID👁️👁️👁️🔥👁️

Anyway this probably isn't the thread to be doing a deep dive discussion on child molestation and pedophilia.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Platystemon posted:

You mean you’re asexual of you chose your sexual orientation or it shifted over time on its own or what?

It changed as I got older, not that I realised I had always had that attraction but that it literally didn't occur until my understanding of sex and gender changed with exposure to new ways of thinking about it. Seems more environmental to me, exposure to the right ideas changed it.

Kaiju Cage Match
Nov 5, 2012




EL BROMANCE posted:

They're doing it wrong, refuse to learn French and then you won't have to deal with Parisians.

Hon hon hon baguette omlette du fromage le petit chofleur

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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OwlFancier posted:

It changed as I got older, not that I realised I had always had that attraction but that it literally didn't occur until my understanding of sex and gender changed with exposure to new ways of thinking about it. Seems more environmental to me, exposure to the right ideas changed it.
It's probably both, to be honest. Some people are going to have shifts as they're exposed to new environments and thoughts, but sometimes they're going to get exposed and they still end up where they were before, just with a better understanding of the world around them. And that's the part I don't think is in anyone's control.

Kenning
Jan 11, 2009

I really want to post goatse. Instead I only have these🍄.



Kenning posted:

Fanfiction should be illegal.

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

there wolf posted:

Yes, the majority of pedophiles know acting on the impulse would be terrible and so they don't do it, instead indulging in it through media and roleplaying with other adults. As much as it sucks, it's likely that sexual attraction to prepubescents is a hardcoded sexuality the way hetero and homosexuality are, in which case the proshippers have a point that having that sort of content serves a social good, providing an outlet for desires that cannot be actually realized.

But thats one part of what would be a complex argument even for reasonable adults. In fandom it's a loving nightmare sucking in a whole whole host of toxic behaviors that have been normalized in that space.

Source your quote

Pastel Candy Snake
Sep 6, 2018

by Hand Knit
https://twitter.com/Clayburn/status/1371268469145079809

redgubbinz
May 1, 2007

Woozie66 posted:

https://twitter.com/chaykak/status/1371433331762552832?s=19

Quoted tweet is a thread with even more people saying that their NFT art is getting stolen and no one is helping them.

reaping, sowing etc

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
GENERATOR

🔊😴

As dumb as they managed to say this, it's not entirely wrong that racists can be in relationships with non-white people and still be racist. Like misogynists marry women all the time.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

While that is phrased insanely bad, being romantically involved with people outside your race doesn't automatically make you not racist. Strom Thurmond had at least one child with an African-American woman. You think every Vietnam vet who married a Vietnamese woman was a paragon of anti-racist virtues?

Sort of a twofer there, an idiot responding to another idiot.

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010
Yeah that was the goofiest most awkward way to make a valid point (he doesnt magically become immune to accusations of racism because he has a BLACK WIFE)

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
Hell Gem
Whatever their issues they still dont have to expose unwilling participants on twitter to their poo poo (then harass them for not liking it), gleefully attempt to associate lgbtq with it oldschool gay panic style(to own the antis), or write giant public callout posts on actual minors because their brains are too smooth to see the difference between a child liking a child character and an adult fetishizing child characters

They should have the decency to be ashamed of it and shut up

Their behavior is like running someone over in a golf cart then getting out to beat them with a club because they dared scratch the paint

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010
That whole thread is an ecosystem full of many different kinds of idiot
https://twitter.com/RazerPi/status/1371467483127934976?s=20
https://twitter.com/RazerPi/status/1371470940459167744?s=20

Just the most basic loving people with the most tired rear end jokes/takes...boomer brain.
https://twitter.com/coalminds/status/1371193839424212994?s=20

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Bismuth posted:

Their behavior is like running someone over in a golf cart then getting out to beat them with a club because they dared scratch the paint

That's how you play GTA, yes.

Darkhold
Feb 19, 2011

No Heart❤️
No Soul👻
No Service🙅
The second most openly racist guy I knew (which is saying alot considering I grew up in Wyoming) was married to a black woman. There was tons of mutual domestic abuse going on in that relationship because they were out of their minds on drugs most of the time. I actually ended up at his house once and saw a conversation that started with 'I'm going to the store do you want anything?' quickly evolve into a two way screaming match while his kid hid behind the couch and watched me.

Anyway aside from racist jokes he once told me that when New Year 2000 hit the race war was going to start and I better be ready to come with him when he knocked on my door. I told him I would be ready but it would be to shoot him. I don't think he thought I was serious but I was. If that rear end in a top hat would have shown up that's exactly what I would have done.

I asked a few times what he was going to do about his children/wife during said war but he never answered me. I think he planned to hide them away he was very clear he loved his kids at least.

BTW I worked graveyards with this guy so I was stuck being around him for 8 hours a day. 4 of those hours it was pretty much just us.

I guess what I'm saying is I don't buy anyone isn't racist just because they're married to a black woman.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Bismuth posted:

twitter pedos trying to reinvent oldschool homophobia to own the non-pedos

for those unaware
Proship: pedophiles
Antis: people against pedos/pedo shipping

(sigh) Antis practice purity culture. They harass people. They pop into people's Tumblrs/AO3 comments/mentions to call them pedos and terrible people.

Things people have been harassed by antis for:

* Shipping characters who are of legal age but have a large age gap
* Shipping characters who are high-schoolers, but aging them up in the fiction
* Shipping characters that are canon abusive (Rey & Kylo in Star Wars being the commonest example)
* Writing stories that contain sexual or physical abuse "because you're just glorifying it"
* Writing YA fic about high-schoolers having sex (Welp, there went much/most of the (e: published) YA fic of the last decade)

Antis have one reasonable cause that they use to camouflage many, many unreasonable causes. They're the Qanon of critics.

I don't know anybody who's anti-anti who calls themselves "proship". That's like "pro-death" as a label.

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

That's called the VHEMT and I think they're generally relatively cool.

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Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010

Darkhold posted:

I guess what I'm saying is I don't buy anyone isn't racist just because they're married to a black woman.
Honestly ive known/seen soo many racist white dudes of all ages who married or long term dated black women (and then it's even more tragic when the mixed kids gotta deal with a lovely racist dad).
If anything it makes them feel comfortable ("how could I be racist?" :smug: ) and once a white dude is too comfortable you've got some problems incoming.

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