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McCloud posted:https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1269390792499630080?s=20 I'm only going say this here. But as a lowly peon as an extra on some days and stand in on others, Zack still talked to me, let me sit at the table with the regular actors on set, let me literally sit behind him and his cinematographer while they were working, and I'll always appreciate him for that. One of the better bosses I've ever had. Back when Detroit had a film incentive, it was mostly "you're coloring up the scene to make it authentic." He was different.
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teagone posted:If a Suicide Squad Ayer cut comes out complete with Steppenwolf, motherboxes, and parademons, I will take a 1 month probation. Dude why
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Zaphod42 posted:Wait, Steppenwolf was supposed to be in Suicide Squad originally??? It's real. https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/1066495270702145536?s=19 https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/1066515202261213184?s=19
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Darko posted:Let's see some Goku reboot. Does this mean we'd get Michael Shannon as Vegeta?
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Imma be real for a second here. No one on the cast of the new suicide squad is a bigger name than Will Smith and it’s a shame he isn’t returning since imo he was a huge highlight of the original The problem with Will Smith in Suicide Squad is you kind of have to make him the main character because he's Will Smith and that steals the spotlight of what should be more of an ensemble piece, and Deadshot is not a super interesting character
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What the fuuuuuuuck that's crazy I wonder how much of that was actually shot? Between that and all the Jared Leto Joker stuff they may have just as much footage on the cutting room floor as JL. Dang I may be on board team #AyerCut now lmao E: That explains why the climax of suicide squad was such a tonal mess. Feels like they crafted it out of a scene that wasn't really meant for it. Robot Style posted:Does this mean we'd get Michael Shannon as Vegeta? HAH Oh my godddd that's too good for this world
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Mar 16, 2021 00:36
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Gatts posted:Dude why Why to the Ayer cut probe? Or why to the Snyder Goku reboot? Lmao.
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Mar 16, 2021 00:38
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Zaphod42 posted:Ah I think I had heard about that somewhere but forgot about it because it hasn't has as much attention as the snyder cut. Would be interesting to see for sure. Challenging in the sense that the audiences preconceptions are challenged. Man of Steel famously features massive collateral damage due to the metropolis fight, and people reacted harshly to this because they are used to sanitized violence where no one but the bad guys get hurt. The audience is fine with this https://twitter.com/CBMshots/status/1351140908272594953?s=20 because "no one got hurt", but they freak the gently caress out over this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTxZl_ffcv0 because oh my gosh knocking villains through buildings has consequences who could have known!! It's jarring and unsettling. That's an example of what i mean Edit: That youtube link is proclick btw, it edits the metropolis segment from MoS and BvS together and it looks smooth af
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Robot Style posted:Does this mean we'd get Michael Shannon as Vegeta? Holy poo poo.
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Mar 16, 2021 00:40
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Piell posted:The problem with Will Smith in Suicide Squad is you kind of have to make him the main character because he's Will Smith and that steals the spotlight of what should be more of an ensemble piece, and Deadshot is not a super interesting character I honestly didn’t care about dead shot before but Will Smith turned up the charisma very hard for me (especially considering his work in the later part of his career being so bad)
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Mar 16, 2021 00:41
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Will Smith doesn't command as much star power in film anymore. He and Ben Affleck starring in Mad Max-ified Justice League Part 3 is a movie I will forever lament the loss of.
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Mar 16, 2021 00:43
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McCloud posted:
The ending of MoS became even better with BvS because precisely that it got framed as Kryptonian 9/11 "Mankind is introduced..." and like ... we KNOW how many brains were shattered by real world 9/11.
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Darko posted:Let's see some Goku reboot. Reminds me that I still got to take time to watch the new Broly film.
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teagone posted:Why to the Ayer cut probe? Or why to the Snyder Goku reboot? Lmao. The probe man. You’re a good poster don’t do this!
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McCloud posted:Challenging in the sense that the audiences preconceptions are challenged. Man of Steel famously features massive collateral damage due to the metropolis fight, and people reacted harshly to this because they are used to sanitized violence where no one but the bad guys get hurt. Hm, I don't quite agree. If the Timmverse version had him hitting darkseid up into the air or into space, and then everybody just cheered, you'd be 100% right. But they actually take the time to animate him getting knocked through all the buildings. (I love that scene btw, Supes showes up and he's PISSED and its awesome) The cartoon doesn't spend a ton of time lingering on people being mad at superman, but if you're observant you notice it as a problem. The thing being that it would be worse if he wasn't there. The Man of Steel backlash from the audience as I understood it wasn't "how dare superman break poo poo", but more "this is dumb, if Superman cares so much about people, why doesn't he try to do things better? Why not fight somewhere else?" It comes across as being careless more than being some great necessary sacrifice. That's a tonal failure of MOS IMO, not that its "challenging". I think the idea of Superman losing popularity because he hurts people and Batman being against him is a great story, but it just all felt way too rushed between MOS, BVS and JL. Hopefully the Snyder cut with its longer runtime gives us more breathing room to feel where batman's head is at and see him come around on supes, because in the cinematic releases it feels like batman goes from "we can't trust this guy" to "this guy is our only hope" on a dime, and while I get why, it didn't play out great to me. Needs more character development. (which apparently we're getting in spades) The death of superman is such a great story, feels like they blew through it way too fast. This should have been like, a trilogy. E: The last season of Game of Thrones was certainly "challenging" to the audience, but I don't think that was a good thing in itself. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Mar 16, 2021 |
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Schwarzwald posted:Reminds me that I still got to take time to watch the new Broly film. It's good!
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McCloud posted:Challenging in the sense that the audiences preconceptions are challenged. Man of Steel famously features massive collateral damage due to the metropolis fight, and people reacted harshly to this because they are used to sanitized violence where no one but the bad guys get hurt. That reminds me that you can find the full motion picture score (not just the OST) on youtube MOS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPhBW1NcMRM BVS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9BL59uiAz8 They are just phenomenally good. A massive - possibly even the biggest - part of why I love these films
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Gatts posted:The probe man. You’re a good poster don’t do this! Hah,  but I feel like there's almost no way an Ayer cut gets released that's reworked with Steppenwolf as the big baddie. Believe the shooting script was already reworked to exclude those story beats involving Apokalips stuff prior to principal photography.
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Mar 16, 2021 00:49
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Zaphod42 posted:That's true, I remember hearing a trailer house did the final movie edit? There absolutely is a movement to let Ayer finish his own cut. And it would be a lot easier than Snyder's job of finishing his because all the effects were basically done before it was re-edited. Studio also heavily interfered in Birds of Prey in a way that made it seem to repeat information way too much and didn't space out the action scenes
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah but I feel the same way about BvS The central issue that brings about the Batman v Superman title-fight is Snyder proposing that Superman would perceive the humanity of, and fight for the civil rights of a sex trafficker against Batman's death sentence. This linchpin of the film was so challenging that people, to this day, are utterly confused why Superman hates Batman so much. Please, let me know of anything that the animated stuff does that approaches this. KVeezy3 fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Mar 16, 2021 |
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I think the Ace death scene is more challenging than "Martha!"
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Schwarzwald posted:Reminds me that I still got to take time to watch the new Broly film. It's beautiful. Watch it.
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The Martha bit is probably where BvS stops challenging you because it's Batman suddenly realising "I shouldn't be fighting this guy". After that it's pretty much how you might expect a superhero movie climax to go- villain unleashes Ultimate Villain, big fight with Ultimate Villain, at the end Superman sacrifices himself in a big pyrotechnic display, sequel tease, the end. They even gave Superman his little kiss-curl at the end!
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Schwarzwald posted:Reminds me that I still got to take time to watch the new Broly film. It's the purest embodiment of fan-service.
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hump day bitches! posted:Zaphod42 just walked in here super soft about the whole thing and is going to end up snyderpilled. "Come in here looking soft, you get hammered. Soon, you'll have veins popping out in places you've never seen." Paraphrased from Mark Twight, physical trainer on 300.
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hump day bitches! posted:Zaphod42 just walked in here super soft about the whole thing and is going to end up snyderpilled. I'm here to talk about movies, which we all should and talking about things in terms like that is pretty toxic. I know you're joking so not to give you too hard a time, but I think its worth saying. I am starting to feel I may be surprised by just how good the Snyder cut is, (the AngryJoe review is very positive and I respect him unlike IGN, and he's also still a little critical unlike their non-stop-glowing review) but I'm not about to change my mind on MOS or BvS. I really like Cavil as Superman though and think its a shame how none of this ever quite worked out like the Avengers did. I'm also very surprised to hear about those changes to Suicide Squad more than JL, that's just wild to me that it had Steppenwolf in it and was fully cut. That's a huge change. Steppenwolf himself sucks though, I loving love Ciaran Hinds in Rome and GOT and none of his acting really comes through in the CG metal-armor-machine they designed. His model is way too noisy, it reminds me of a Transformers robot where your eyes just don't even know what to focus on. But I'm definitely willing to give anything at least one viewing and hear out anybody's take on a film, that's fun even if we don't fully agree.
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Embrace the Snyder pill
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It was pretty obvious that something was up with Suicide Squad even before talk of the Snyder Cut spooled up. Ayer is a pretty good director overall, and he never made a movie that was as big of a mess as SS.
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There's no Steppenwolf cut of Suicide Squad afaik, it's two separate things: there was a detailed plan to have Steppenwolf in Suicide Squad, and Ayer has a full cut with a different tone to the released movie.
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KVeezy3 posted:The central issue that brings about the Batman v Superman title-fight is Snyder proposing that Superman would perceive the humanity of, and fight for the civil rights of a sex trafficker against Batman's death sentence. This linchpin of the film was so challenging that people, to this day, are utterly confused why Superman hates Batman so much. Please, let me know of anything that the animated stuff does that approaches this. You're saying "challenging" but if the audience is confused then it isn't challenging, its confusing (or bad / contradictory / not well established, like game of thrones last season). If people were really "challenged" by that then they wouldn't be confused; they'd staunchly agree that either Superman was right or Batman was right, which is maybe what they wanted. To have people like Twilight going "#TeamBatman" or "#TeamSuperman" but if the audience reaction is "why?" then that means the film failed to convey something, not that it was just too deep for them to ever handle. I think you know as well as I do that the comics did explore the angle of "why keep putting villains in jail if the keep breaking out and hurting people?" and some handled it better than others, but taking the consequences of the superheroes seriously isn't really new. It just feels like dabbling in some Watchmen with your DC rather than fully committing to saying something. Which, I don't expect Snyder to really say anything new with a movie about Batman and Superman; you only have 2 hours, movies are a limited format and that's why so many are so cliched. But I do expect him to take the better stories from the comics and adapt them well. Instead he kinda half did that and half did some other stuff. But again, reserving judgement on JL until I can see the full take. But BvS didn't work for me. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Mar 16, 2021 |
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Zaphod42 posted:You're saying "challenging" but if the audience is confused then it isn't challenging, its confusing. If people were really "challenged" by that then they wouldn't be confused; they'd staunchly agree that either Superman was right or Batman was right, which is maybe what they wanted. To have people like Twilight going "#TeamBatman" or "#TeamSuperman" but if the audience reaction is "why?" then that means the film failed to convey something, not that it was just too deep for them to ever handle. Let's not stray from the point and pontificate on what some imaginary person might think. In the case of the sex trafficker in BvS, who's side are you on, Batman or Superman?
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I would say David Lynch makes challenging films and often people are confused It happens.
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McCloud posted:
what is that track at about 6:50? i don't recognize it from any of the osts - is it a custom remix, or am i misremembering? i really love the piano in it. it's most obvious when he throws zod into space. The REAL Goobusters posted:Embrace the Snyder pill where's that image of lex putting the snydercut candy in the guy's mouth?
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McCloud posted:Challenging in the sense that the audiences preconceptions are challenged. Man of Steel famously features massive collateral damage due to the metropolis fight, and people reacted harshly to this because they are used to sanitized violence where no one but the bad guys get hurt. 1) The GIF you're tweeting is completely out of context. In the complete scene, Superman's whole bravado, x1,000 thing entirely backfires on him. It's coming at the end of a series that has constantly portrayed the potential horror of Superman not holding back. Superman's ultimately not doing the right thing there. You're right that there is a bloodlessness to the violence, but you're comparing a scene where Superman is wrong for recklessly punching a monster through buildings and Man of Steel in which Superman's action aren't intended to be viewed as incorrect. It's part of a flaw in Superman's character rooted in the trauma from this scene when Darkseid murders one of Superman's friends, leaving Superman to impotently punch the ground. 2) Do you imagine that everyone who does not like Man of Steel hasn't seen like Se7en or Saving Private Ryan or Game of Thrones or Chinatown or Robocop or John Wick? Like you're right that it's challenging in that it challenges your expectations for Superman, but I think it's disingenuous to present people as not being able to get their mind around violence or flawed heroes.
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In Man Of Steel Superman's the one who gets punched through buildings. I wonder now if that was a ref to that cartoon
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Since you guys are all super hip to the state of the Snyder-verse, you'd be the perfect people to ask; what's the deal / plans going forward for Flashpoint? BvS really feels like they were strongly setting that up to be the next plot point. I guess that was supposed to be the big JL movie after League, but now its anybody knows as to what happens next? KVeezy3 posted:Let's not stray from the point and pontificate on what some imaginary person might think. In the case of the sex trafficker in BvS, who's side are you on, Batman or Superman? Why does that matter? Its a false dichotomy and a complicated subject. (If you have the death penalty sex traffickers should probably be the first to qualify) Lets not stray from the point; you were explaining how its so great that the film is still confusing to people. So are you saying that no filmmaker could ever tackle that subject and not have an audience come away saying "That was confusing" ?
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Zaphod42 posted:You're saying "challenging" but if the audience is confused then it isn't challenging, its confusing (or bad / contradictory / not well established like game of thrones last season). Or it was cut from the theatrical release.
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Zaphod42 posted:Since you guys are all super hip to the state of the Snyder-verse, you'd be the perfect people to ask; what's the deal / plans going forward for Flashpoint? It’s supposed to be in the The Flash movie that they have Ben affleck and Michael Keaton lined up for (that Rat Fisher was also fired from)
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AccountSupervisor posted:Or it was cut from the theatrical release. We're talking about BvS here. JL I'm absolutely going to give a chance seeing the other cut. Or did BvS also get meddled with heavily? The REAL Goobusters posted:It’s supposed to be in the The Flash movie that they have Ben affleck and Michael Keaton lined up for (that Rat Fisher was also fired from) With Keaton as the alternate universe Thomas Wayne?!  oh poo pooSeems wild to blow Flashpoint on a Flash movie and not a full JL squad, but I guess it is pretty centered on him so it can work as long as you get the necessary cameos. I thought Affleck was pretty done with the cape, that's great if he'll be in it.
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