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Vince MechMahon posted:I used to like him too. He was a curmudgeon but he had good stories about the old days, even if he couldn't get over those days. But his recent behavior is beyond the pale. Yeah, that's really hosed up.
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Bogus Adventure posted:I thought earlier in this thread we had debunked the racism and homophobia part. He has said that he hated racism and homophobia, and it was one of the reasons he loving hated the Ultimate Warrior. He has a bunch of takes that are stupid and crass, plus he definitely has some prejudices that he isn't ready to deal with, and the problem is that he's basically had the sole job to walk the fine line between "funny but obnoxious" and "everybody in the building now wants refunds" for his entire adult life, which means he'll never walk back or apologise for anything because it ruins the whole thing of being the guy who comes out and shits on the town if he then comes out later and apologises because he was having a bad day. But as far as assholes go in professional wrestling, the last year has made very clear that he's nowhere near the top.
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Vince MechMahon posted:I used to like him too. He was a curmudgeon but he had good stories about the old days, even if he couldn't get over those days. But his recent behavior is beyond the pale. his recent behavior is mild compared to the muslim rant and calling a black guy the n word.
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oh dope posted:Just remember that Bret utterly refused to give up the fake championship title of the fake sport when his boss told him to. It wasn't like he was losing his livelihood or anything. Michaels and Hart are both egomaniacs (one was slightly more pilled up than the other) and Vince is going to do whatever it takes to get what he wants. I'm no expert but wasn't Bret ok with dropping the championship, but he didn't want to do it in Canada? I think there was also an issue where another WWF belt holder had gone to WCW and tossed the belt in the trash and Vince didn't want that to happen again. This is a great thread. My first impression of wrestling was a cousin's owning a WWF Sega game (I think Royal Rumble) and having fun trying to win the belt. I think every wrestler was the same except for their special moves which were in no way balanced. Like IRS had to be running at the other guy who just bounced off the ropes, and Macho Man's top rope move wasn't worth the trouble. I wasn't good at remember the buttons for a pin, so British Bulldog was my favorite as his special move ended with a pin. As you advanced in matches the computer got near unbeatable, but was susceptible to having your guy exit the ring and stand there until the other guy came after him. The computer would start trying to get back in the ring at about a 7 count so that's when you whip him into a post as far away from the ring as possible, then run to get back inside. It was usually enough to beat the Warrior.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:I'm no expert but wasn't Bret ok with dropping the championship, but he didn't want to do it in Canada? I think there was also an issue where another WWF belt holder had gone to WCW and tossed the belt in the trash and Vince didn't want that to happen again. IIRC, Bret was reportedly fine even with dropping it in another Canadian town, he just didn't want to drop it in his hometown area. And yeah, it was Madusa Miceli (aka Alundra Blayze in the WWF) that showed up on WCW TV. She was still in possession of the WWF Women's title as I recall, and dumped it in a trash can live on Nitro.
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Anyway, he's not wrong about the screwjob. His shoot interview with Bobby Heenan is still worth watching. One of the myths about the screwjob was that Bret was due to appear on WCW days later, possibly with the title. But that wasn't true. For one, as dumb as they are, they were already in hot water with WWF over the Madusa incident. There were legal wranglings behind the scenes, they weren't about to do the same thing again. Bret, in reality, didn't appear until about a month later, which had always been the plan. If they were going to capitalise on Bret by putting him on TV that week they would have done regardless of if he's holding the title.
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:If anyone wants free and pretty drat good wrestling, check this out: Itoh's not the best wrestler out there - her moves are kinda sloppy and she really needs to work on keeping her transitions fluid (although the tornado DDT was nice) but the way that she keels over for the falling headbutt is frankly delightful and a testament to how a move doesn't need to be overly complex to look great.
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Breetai posted:Itoh's not the best wrestler out there - her moves are kinda sloppy and she really needs to work on keeping her transitions fluid (although the tornado DDT was nice) but the way that she keels over for the falling headbutt is frankly delightful and a testament to how a move doesn't need to be overly complex to look great. This is what carried Rock's elbow-drop finisher
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Hyrax Attack! posted:I'm no expert but wasn't Bret ok with dropping the championship, but he didn't want to do it in Canada? I think there was also an issue where another WWF belt holder had gone to WCW and tossed the belt in the trash and Vince didn't want that to happen again. Yes and yes. A women's champion was cut when the women's division was axed by she still had the belt and she threw it away live on Nitro And Bret was even okay losing in Canada (although it was initially a non-starter, he agreed if the loss could be close and controversial. He was supposed to get in trouble and be saved by his posse but then get disqualified. Not great, but better then a straight loss and you'd get to watch his teammates clobber Michaels as consolidation, and losing by DQ means you don't lose the belt, which he would voluntarily relinquish the next day on Raw. So Shawn would be clearly in a winning position but not actually win, and Bret gets to leave with the belt and fans get to see him leave with dignity. But that's not what happened, of course.
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Breetai posted:Itoh's not the best wrestler out there - her moves are kinda sloppy and she really needs to work on keeping her transitions fluid (although the tornado DDT was nice) but the way that she keels over for the falling headbutt is frankly delightful and a testament to how a move doesn't need to be overly complex to look great. Yeah I love that dumb headbutt  https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1371625907631357957 There's also a match worth watching earlier, with Marko Stunt (legit a very small guy) wrestling a big hulking muscle guy. They do a really good job of having the big guy just tossing Marko Stunt around like a ragdoll while still managing to pull off some death defying moves of his own. Timestamped here for everyone's convenience. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4cbuWQFcJU&t=1681s
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I played a lot of the N64 wrestling games. A friend and I liked the ladder matches where you won by climbing and getting the belt. We'd leave the computer alone while standing in the ring holding weapons, as c'mon buddy don't you want to win the match? When he'd reach the top rung we'd throw debris at the ladder and watch Steve Austin topple to his doom. Then wait for him to stand up and repeat. I liked in the career mode how the goal was to never lose and win every title then retain them forever. Gameplay wise made sense but that would be bad tv and a strange writer's room.
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Also, according to everyone who worked with Cornette at ROH, he was a piece of poo poo to work for who would put people down all the time.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:I'm no expert but wasn't Bret ok with dropping the championship, but he didn't want to do it in Canada? I think there was also an issue where another WWF belt holder had gone to WCW and tossed the belt in the trash and Vince didn't want that to happen again. That's correct. Vince has a weird loving boner for making people lose in their hometown. I'm listening to a pretty intense podcast about Chris Benoit and it is a very stark reminder that Vince McMahon, (and Linda too), is the scum of the loving earth.
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I like Roman the heel, he is actually cool, but Jay Uso needs to get his come uppance! I am so mad Vince, you are working me! And the Friday Night Fraud, Seth, but he is cool! I actually love both of them, basically my favorite segments of the week!
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Eclipse12 posted:Yes and yes. A women's champion was cut when the women's division was axed by she still had the belt and she threw it away live on Nitro It's loving fake Bret Hart should've just lost in whatever way they wanted him to and been done with it, especially since he was going to another company anyway. Trying to save face or whatever when it's scripted and everyone but the youngest kids watching know it is so stupid. No one is going to think he's a better wrestler because he lost with a controversial finish, they're going to think he's a bitch who whined behind the scenes to make it happen that way.
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oh dope posted:I'm listening to a pretty intense podcast about Chris Benoit and it is a very stark reminder that Vince McMahon, (and Linda too), is the scum of the loving earth. I watched the Dark Side of the Ring episode about him and it was very intense.
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The Little People wrestling (I don't know if "midget" if offensive to anyone so...), what ever happened to that? Yes I know jokes were made at their expense but those guys have some moves!
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:It's loving fake Bret Hart should've just lost in whatever way they wanted him to and been done with it, especially since he was going to another company anyway. Trying to save face or whatever when it's scripted and everyone but the youngest kids watching know it is so stupid. No one is going to think he's a better wrestler because he lost with a controversial finish, they're going to think he's a bitch who whined behind the scenes to make it happen that way. The marks are in the ring, brother A lot of them seriously buy into the hype about titles being prestigious. Bret Hart is one of the biggest marks in the business. Basically, Bret screwed Bret. Vince Mcmahon is still a vile piece of poo poo and I will celebrate the day he dies
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Who runs WWE when Vince croaks? HHH or Stephanie? Shane? Im assuming Stephanie.
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Bret being pissed was pretty understandable when you remember that Michaels pulled some real bullshit on him less than a year earlier. Back when Bret was champ for WrestleMania 12, he and Michaels decided that a cool way to do it would be for Michaels to win the title off Bret at that event, then Bret would win a rematch a year later and they'd take it from there. When it came time to build towards WrestleMania 13, Michaels suddenly went, "My leg is entirely too messed up for me to go on and also BEING A WRESTLER MAKES ME SO SAD. I'm going to vacate the title and go on vacation until my leg heals and I remember what being happy is." This messed up all the plans for WrestleMania 13. Michaels did appear at the show in a non-wrestling role, but was dancing around like a goofball as if to say that his leg was just fine and he successfully got away with not having to drop the belt. When the time came for Bret to drop the belt, he insisted he would do it for anyone but Michaels because gently caress him.
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Atomic Robo-Kid posted:Who runs WWE when Vince croaks? HHH or Stephanie? Shane? It'll be Hornswoggle.
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I'm still talking about that AEW Elevation video I posted earlier. It features Paul Wight, The Giant / Big Show, as a co-commentator and I gotta say I'm very impressed with the dude on the mic. He does a good job of playing the "old pro giving insights into the sport" role and also a very good job of building all the wrestlers up and hyping them up. I mean, I shouldn't be surprised considering he's always been decent on the mic and did have a sitcom, but it's still nice to see him transitioning to a new role successfully AND doing it while not playing some ridiculous over the top character.
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Atomic Robo-Kid posted:Who runs WWE when Vince croaks? HHH or Stephanie? Shane? but there's going to be a power struggle but shane will not be in it
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It's gonna be interesting. In a way you'd think that Stephanie might be more progressive and less lovely than her lovely dad, but she IS Vince's daughter and has been groomed for the position for years so who knows at this point.
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Friend of mine turns out to find AEW completely ridiculous (Revolution didn't help), but hyped up the well-received Walter vs. Dragunov match from NXT, and, I dunno. It was definitely memorable and engaging, but it was also two beefy guys slapping each other raw for half an hour while grunting like they're passing a kidney stone and occasionally doing a German suplex. And Walter comes out straight up wearing an SS coat. What is it with wrestlers having so much in-ring dialogue now, is that the new WWE house style now there's no audience, or have they always done it and you just hear it better now?
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I guess I shouldn't say shane won't be in the picture, because there is always the complicating factor of vince mcmahon being an insane person? he may, just now, have decided to leave the entire company to shane because he realized that he doesn't like the way stephanie looks when she sits, and it would not surprise me in the least
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:In a way you'd think that Stephanie might be more progressive and less lovely than her lovely dad, but she IS Vince's daughter and has been groomed for the position for years so who knows at this point. https://twitter.com/StephMcMahon/status/581881800659591168 
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Bonzo posted:The Little People wrestling (I don't know if "midget" if offensive to anyone so...), what ever happened to that? Yes I know jokes were made at their expense but those guys have some moves! Mini-Estrella wrestling (Spanish for Small Star) has a long and storied tradition in Mexico's lucha libre. One of the biggest names is Mascarita Sagrada who's an absolutely jaw-dropping athlete    
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My wife is awesome and got me a Mick Foley Cameo video for my birthday. He sang a birthday song in his Mankind mask 
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Bonzo posted:The Little People wrestling (I don't know if "midget" if offensive to anyone so...), what ever happened to that? Yes I know jokes were made at their expense but those guys have some moves! Hornswoggle had a cameo at the Royal Rumble a few years back if I recall.
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Before I knew what was going on it was more fun to watch Royal Rumble tapes as I really thought anyone could win. Sure there have been massive storylines going on for months hyping up Austin and the Rock, but perhaps the Mountie or Honky Tonk Man will pull an upset. Who knows what Mosh has planned?
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Bret Hart had creative control in his contract, and Michaels had previously told him he (Michaels) would never drop the belt to him (Bret) presumably in one of his pilled-up tirades, so based on the terms of his contract it was perfectly acceptable if extremely petty to conduct himself how he did
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IDR anything in the Rule Book saying you had to enter the Rumble as soon as your name is called. Just chill in back until someone 'wins' them come down and beat up the tired guy, basically a MITB cash in!
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Michael Corleone posted:IDR anything in the Rule Book saying you had to enter the Rumble as soon as your name is called. Just chill in back until someone 'wins' them come down and beat up the tired guy, basically a MITB cash in! Didn't Vince do that in 1999? I think he went ringside to commentate for a while.
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Michael Corleone posted:IDR anything in the Rule Book saying you had to enter the Rumble as soon as your name is called. Just chill in back until someone 'wins' them come down and beat up the tired guy, basically a MITB cash in! You have to enter the ring before the next entrant does or you're eliminated  This rule applied once In 1991
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Michael Corleone posted:IDR anything in the Rule Book saying you had to enter the Rumble as soon as your name is called. Just chill in back until someone 'wins' them come down and beat up the tired guy, basically a MITB cash in! Or chill IN the ring getting your rear end kicked for an hour like Flair did. Wooo!Wood! Rarity posted:You have to enter the ring before the next entrant does or you're eliminated Learned something new
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You can enter then immediately exit though. Lawler hid under the ring the entire time once I think.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:IIRC, Bret was reportedly fine even with dropping it in another Canadian town, he just didn't want to drop it in his hometown area. And yeah, it was Madusa Miceli (aka Alundra Blayze in the WWF) that showed up on WCW TV. She was still in possession of the WWF Women's title as I recall, and dumped it in a trash can live on Nitro. Survivor Series 97 was in Montreal, and Bret is from Calgary, which is nowhere near Quebec.
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