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Hell yeah. I'm hoping for more insanity like the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas.
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Worthleast posted:There are books and books written on this topic. The short answer is that meditation is preparation for contemplation. Can you recommend any books to get started, or is it the sort of thing where you need someone to personally instruct you? I also read that some people don't like contemplation, but I don't understand why meditation is good, but moving into contemplation would be bad. ulmont posted:Hell yeah. I'm hoping for more insanity like the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas. Is that the one where Jesus says he's going to turn Mary Magdalene into a man since women can't be saved?
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Mar 17, 2021 18:41
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White Coke posted:Can you recommend any books to get started, or is it the sort of thing where you need someone to personally instruct you? What helped me may not help you, since each soul is different. But I really enjoyed The Prayer of Love and Silence.
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Mar 17, 2021 22:12
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White Coke posted:Is that the one where Jesus says he's going to turn Mary Magdalene into a man since women can't be saved? i like the gospel where young jesus curses a kid to death for bumping into him. then when the kid's parents come to joseph and mary to complain about it, jesus strikes them blind
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Mar 18, 2021 01:04
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Lutha Mahtin posted:i like the gospel where young jesus curses a kid to death for bumping into him. then when the kid's parents come to joseph and mary to complain about it, jesus strikes them blind as someone who works in customer service i relate deeply to this version of jesus
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Mar 18, 2021 01:22
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My favorite apocryphal story of Jesus is when He and His friend are playing on the roof and His friend accidentally falls off the roof and dies. Everybody starts to accuse Jesus of pushing His friend so Jesus raises him from the dead so that the friend could tell everyone it was an accident.
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Mar 18, 2021 01:53
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:as someone who works in customer service i relate deeply to this version of jesus 
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Mar 18, 2021 02:12
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young me: i can't believe god would send a bear to devour some kids because they mocked Elisha for being bald. How awful! old me: next time send a tiger
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Mar 18, 2021 03:00
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Thirteen Orphans posted:My favorite apocryphal story of Jesus is when He and His friend are playing on the roof and His friend accidentally falls off the roof and dies. Everybody starts to accuse Jesus of pushing His friend so Jesus raises him from the dead so that the friend could tell everyone it was an accident. Eh, Phineas was kind of an rear end anyway
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Mar 18, 2021 04:44
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The apocryphal gospels and acts of the apostles are great. My favorite story from them comes from the acts of John. John is staying in a ratty inn, and his bed is full of bed bugs. He commands the bed bugs to leave his bed, and they obey. When he wakes up the next day, there is a line of bed bugs waiting outside the door to his room for John's permission to return to the bed, which he gives them.
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Mar 18, 2021 08:39
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White Coke posted:Is that the one where Jesus says he's going to turn Mary Magdalene into a man since women can't be saved? That's the one (Gnostic Gospel of Thomas). I was, though, confusing it with the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, which is this one and the one I was trying to refer to: Lutha Mahtin posted:i like the gospel where young jesus curses a kid to death for bumping into him. then when the kid's parents come to joseph and mary to complain about it, jesus strikes them blind
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Mar 19, 2021 17:30
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I’m reading an article (albeit one trying to sell me something) about qi gong and the author references sexual transformation especially in the practice of seminal retention. He says, “many religions have recognized the strength of sexual transformation, including: Buddhism, Taoism, and Orthodox Christianity. What in the world is he referencing?
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Mar 19, 2021 20:26
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Ya got me. Like, the Church does exalt chastity and celibacy, but the only references to semen I'm familiar with are a few canon laws on wet dreams, and those sections of St. John Cassian's Institutes and Conferences where the monks talk about wet dreams. IIRC, the canon is basically "Not the biggest deal in the world," and I'm not sure what the monks had to say, because the most easily accessible public-domain translation left those parts out, I guess so as not to scandalize late 19th-early 20th-c. sensibilities. But it might be safe to assume that their take was also "Not the biggest deal in the world." I think St. Athanasius even compared it to a sneeze.
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Mar 19, 2021 22:54
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The only thing I could see is conflating Chastity's specific mechanics with Chastity the virture, which yes, includes a degree of seminal retention. Otherwise, it completely misses the whole notion of desire and community participants' responsibility towards the community.
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Mar 19, 2021 23:11
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The only argument I could make is that he means orthodox as in mainstream christianity rather than orthodox as in Eastern christianity and then you could get to how evangelicals talk about how marriage mirrors the relationship between Christ (man) and the church (woman) which does strongly imply that, theologically speaking, Jesus bones the church down
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Mar 20, 2021 00:03
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Speaking of weird, not quite orthodox gospels, have a hymn in which Mary spanks child Jesus after he makes his bratty friends drown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA7gp1OUXvE
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Mar 20, 2021 12:56
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I like Elizabeth Bruenig on Twitter...how accurate is her description of the Atlanta shooter's faith in this thread? https://twitter.com/ebruenig/status/1373748836972265473?s=19
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Mar 21, 2021 23:36
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Her thread sounds about right: the deep end of Calvinism asserts a lot of things that might charitably be described as counterintuitive. That said, it's also true that Calvinism's fatalism doesn't in my experience lend itself to going out and fixing the world, whether by good works or going out and murdering sinners. It's very passive - God does the electing, not them. This sentence in particular in the article she links misunderstands things in the typical "gorillas in the mist" vein of reporting on Christians, and it's probably part of what she noticed: quote:Experts this week have said the mentality Bayless described is common within evangelical “purity culture,” which teaches that sexual desire outside of marriage is sinful and those who fail to control their lust are sometimes considered “sex addicts.” Ah, "experts". I have never heard anyone, from the mainstream to the most insular Duggar-esque purity ball types, call sexual desire outside of marriage sinful as such. Sexual activity, sure. Overly dwelling on sexual thoughts, ok. Being a person who wants to bone? That's not sin. That's how you get married in the first place. I have also never heard "sex addiction" used unironically in the purity culture context. That would be viewed as a implausible or even contemptible attempt to shift blame away from a person who is guilty by their own free choice. Whether this is healthy or not I leave to the reader, but "sex addict" is definitely a concept that evangelicals would explicitly reject.
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Mar 22, 2021 01:22
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I heard a debate last night about if he was actually racist and this was all just a hate crime. Looks like everybody is joining in to use him as a rep for whatever it is they hate.
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Mar 22, 2021 02:09
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Mar 22, 2021 04:11
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Dude specifically targeted Asian people in a space that is coded Asian. His "addiction" can be wrapped up in that, too. Fetishizing goes hand in hand with racism. It's all wrapped up in the same bucket of disease. FWIW consuming lust that leads to unwanted sexual behavior (buying sex, pornography, seeing multiple partners without "wanting" to) has been statistically linked to deep seated anger. See Jay Stringer's book, "Unwanted" for his study on that. Re: Purity Culture, I could see purity culture playing a roll, but it's a little more ethereal and subconscious. Sex is icky and stay ignorant until you're married, including ignorance of your own body. So women who grew up in it are more statistically prone to vaginismus and fewer orgasms/less pleasure. And most of the real bad outcomes happen to women in it, but it also teaches both sexes that the female body is bad. All that to say it's damaging, but not in the same way as other ideologies. This crime is better explained with whiteness, self-loathing, hate, and whatever drives all these white teen/twenty something men to mass shootings. EDIT: Racism as an explanation also demands community culpability and reform, which is also the reason everyone wants to avoid it. Religion can be written off as not true, addicts are crazy, but racism means we've all got a problem on our hands in the US. ThePopeOfFun fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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Mar 22, 2021 04:33
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Uuuh guys he specifically thought it was okay to murder asian american women and discard their bodies like garbage on the ground. The fact that US politicians and media talk about his tragic addiction or bad day or whatever is because they hate asians as well, not because he doesn't.
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Mar 22, 2021 09:05
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Tias posted:Uuuh guys he specifically thought it was okay to murder asian american women and discard their bodies like garbage on the ground. The fact that US politicians and media talk about his tragic addiction or bad day or whatever is because they hate asians as well, not because he doesn't. Yeah this.
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Mar 22, 2021 17:06
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I read the Koran, even though I'm Christian. In a lot of that book they use the word "We", often. Like: "We created man, from sperm". Sometimes I think it may be Aliens that wrote some of this book. Thoughts all?
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Mar 23, 2021 02:18
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Spacegrass posted:I read the Koran, even though I'm Christian. In a lot of that book they use the word "We", often. Like: "We created man, from sperm". Sometimes I think it may be Aliens that wrote some of this book. Thoughts all? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_we
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Spacegrass posted:I read the Koran, even though I'm Christian. In a lot of that book they use the word "We", often. Like: "We created man, from sperm". Sometimes I think it may be Aliens that wrote some of this book. Thoughts all? God sometimes refers to himself in the plural in the Bible, too. 'Let us make Man in our image' and such. Probably a leftover from a more polytheistic tradition in that case, from my very basic understanding. I do not think it was aliens. I think suggesting the Koran, or the Bible or any other ancient text was written by aliens is insulting to ancient people.
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Mar 23, 2021 02:22
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Spacegrass posted:I read the Koran, even though I'm Christian. In a lot of that book they use the word "We", often. Like: "We created man, from sperm". Sometimes I think it may be Aliens that wrote some of this book. Thoughts all? The bible does that too on occasion ("Let us create man in our image..."). There's a number of schools of thought, basically all linguistic in nature, depending on one's beliefs: 1. The linguistic "royal we". 2. A linguistic anticipation of the Trinity. 3. A linguistic holdover from an earlier polytheism. e: at least I was the first with #2!
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Mar 23, 2021 02:29
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I know very little about Islam, but I do know they constantly bullied Christians about it back in the day, likening it to Polytheism.
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Mar 23, 2021 02:31
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Gaius Marius posted:I know very little about Islam, but I do know they constantly bullied Christians about it back in the day, likening it to Polytheism. I mean I've had Christian fundamentalists (and weirdly one Jehovah's Witness who was a real dick) tell me that Catholicism is polytheistic. Man that one JW was a total rear end in a top hat. The ones who usually come around here are very nice but he was very much a Reddit Atheist in tone, just without the atheism part. Scoffed at my ideas and 'well actually'ed me about stuff.
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Mar 23, 2021 02:37
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I haven't seen this case made much, but you could (and I probably would) argue that in Christianity angels and demons fit many reasonable definitions of lowercase-g gods. Now, the argument that the trinity is polytheistic and/or that Mary is a god are clearly heretical. I'll admit that the whole Mary business in Catholicism creeps me out as a cradle Baptist, but I'll happily admit it's not worship.
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Mar 23, 2021 02:47
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Could also mean there is more than one God. Sub-Gods or whatever. Anyway, the confusion is overwhelming to me.
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Mar 23, 2021 02:50
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Spacegrass posted:Could also mean there is more than one God. Sub-Gods or whatever. Anyway, the confusion is overwhelming to me. What confusion? Are you okay? Seriously, I'm not being Internet Sarcastic, are you all right?
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Mar 23, 2021 02:53
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Spacegrass posted:Could also mean there is more than one God. Sub-Gods or whatever. Anyway, the confusion is overwhelming to me. Hmm sounds like you might want to consider Mahayana buddhism which is simultaneously atheistic, polytheistic, and monotheistic.
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Mar 23, 2021 02:58
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Captain von Trapp posted:I haven't seen this case made much, but you could (and I probably would) argue that in Christianity angels and demons fit many reasonable definitions of lowercase-g gods. “History of Christian Thought” posted:
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Mar 23, 2021 03:04
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HopperUK posted:What confusion? Are you okay? Seriously, I'm not being Internet Sarcastic, are you all right? I'm fine. I've just been reading the Bible and Nietzsche; one after another; sometimes, sometimes: not a great mix.
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Mar 23, 2021 03:35
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I guess the main question I have is: what are these instances of "We" like in Arabic?
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Mar 23, 2021 03:57
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I think it is more of a linguistic problem. God uses "We" to convey that God is more than a mere human. I simply don't think God fits into neat little boxes like singular or plural, male or female, etc. Human language can never fully comprehend the entirety of God, so we end up with linguistic quirks like God speaking in We-form.
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I bring a question from the stupid/small questions thread that I'm still pondering over: If you’re in a religion that forbids meat, do they allow practitioners to have the fake meats? Like, Incogmeato brands.
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Mar 24, 2021 02:20
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StrixNebulosa posted:I bring a question from the stupid/small questions thread that I'm still pondering over: If you’re in a religion that forbids meat, do they allow practitioners to have the fake meats? Like, Incogmeato brands.
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Captain von Trapp posted:Now, the argument that the trinity is polytheistic and/or that Mary is a god are clearly heretical. I'll admit that the whole Mary business in Catholicism creeps me out as a cradle Baptist, but I'll happily admit it's not worship. a lot of non-christians are genuinely puzzled by the trinity, which i think is understandable. if it's not something that you have spent some time contemplating, it really is a pretty wild concept to wrap your head around
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