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teagone posted:Joss Whedon absolutely was responsible for how the 2017 cut turned out, the gently caress? He is just as culpable of butchering the poo poo out of the film as Johns and all the other dumbass execs. Please don't make excuses for that piece of poo poo. It's gross imo. yes, he's definitely culpable for making that piece of bad art, I'm not pretending he isn't. I'm saying it doesn't necessarily mean anything about his ability to make good art, given the absolute shitshow happening from the top down. there was never a situation where Snyder would have gotten his cut out unmolested if not for this whole roller coaster anyway.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Sucker Punch is Snyder's best film and both better than, and a critique of, the entire narrative and aesthetic standard that Whedon represents Let's not forget that Black Widow's character arc across 35 Marvel MCU movies is basically Babydoll in one. e: 25? 25.
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Mar 20, 2021 18:21
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It’s one of those the many things in the film that’s open to interpretation, all centered around the obvious question of whether it’s actually good for Superman to be back. Like, for another example, the Kryptonian computer warns about using the mother box the same way it did with Doomsday - but Krypton was generally hostile to any form of change. Nice enough to be the smiling face of the US military and executive. Not sure what to make of manhunter here at all, it’s a very unusual take on the character. Sodomy Hussein posted:This is a fairly substantial improvement but the movie has gone from being an obvious, bleeding hackjob to being an hour too long. The second Desaad scene is awful. The dialogue is almost identical
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DeimosRising posted:Nice enough to be the smiling face of the US military and executive. Not sure what to make of manhunter here at all, it’s a very unusual take on the character. So has he been Manhunter the whole time?
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:A fair point, but if we're grading on a curve Sucker Punch is worse than anything in any cut of this movie Sucker Punch is an indictment of the Joss Whedon "brand" of feminism and fans of Whedon's poo poo. Its message is delivered sloppily, but that very specific message absolutely is there. [edit] Interview with words from the man himself https://filmschoolrejects.com/interview-zack-snyder-on-the-sexuality-and-fanboy-hate-of-sucker-punch-36287c94c6b0/ teagone fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Mar 20, 2021 |
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DeimosRising posted:Nice enough to be the smiling face of the US military and executive. Not sure what to make of manhunter here at all, it’s a very unusual take on the character. it is kind of funny that in this film the U.S. military is infiltrated by little green men up to the highest levels of command and it's, like, such a minor sub-plot that you could cut it without hardly affecting the rest of the story at all teagone posted:Sucker Punch is an indictment of the Joss Whedon "brand" of feminism and fans of Whedon's poo poo. Its message is delivered sloppily, but it absolutely is there. i wouldn't even say sloppy -- more like "blunted" or maybe "uncharacteristically subtle by Snyder's standards, to its detriment"
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Mar 20, 2021 18:25
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FizFashizzle posted:So has he been Manhunter the whole time? Quite likely. Some of his interactions with Superman in Man Of Steel are more interesting if you bear this in mind- as well as the fact that Superman could probably tell
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:a fair point, but if we're grading on a curve Sucker Punch is worse than anything in any cut of this movie I understand Sucker Punch is supposed to be recognized as the Objective Truth that Snyder is Anti-Feminist hack for some, but I'm really not motivated to engage in that culture war talking point, as there are already enough articles written by women who both defend it and attack it on its portrayal of them. Plus I haven't seen it since it first came out and remember basically nothing from it, but I remember not liking it much on reasons unrelated to its portrayal of women. FizFashizzle posted:Zeus was pretty clearly a reference to Prince Vultan from Flash Gordon. Sure, okay, whatever. all I could think of during that scene was why the humans got one of the boxes and not like, say, loving Artemis. Zeus was pretty clearly a reference to loving Zeus. There were three Greek gods there. Not sure what the hell you're on about. And seriously, if you don't understand why humans got one of the boxes, and the joke of them burying it in the ground in relation to the other two societies, then you're just trying to be as intentionally obtuse as possible about what the film is doing.
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Arkage posted:Zeus was pretty clearly a reference to loving Zeus. There were three Greek gods there. Not sure what the hell you're on about. yeah not sure what I was thinking 
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Mar 20, 2021 18:28
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What if it is Zeus? The actual God Zeus, all pissed off that nobody cares about Zeus anymore?
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JuHoZ posted:re: The black suit. I always thought that a black suit was more formal in the world of krypton.I thought the red, blue and yellow came from the blanket he was wrapped in as a child. Wasn't the cape originally that blanket? That’s from some comics, but Man Of Steel has it specifically designed by Jor-El and/or the ship’s computer. In Justice League, Clark chooses the black suit because the silver S on black background is the “if you seek his monument” symbol. That again implies that the ship custom-created it for him, because it would be a hell of a coincidence otherwise.
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FizFashizzle posted:yeah not sure what I was thinking So the similarity is that he is highly muscled and looks Greek? And the differences between the no wings and no hammer and shoots lightning bolts? Lmao.
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Mar 20, 2021 18:32
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Mantis42 posted:What if it is Zeus? The actual God Zeus, all pissed off that nobody cares about Zeus anymore? that scene is set 5000 years ago, right? isn't that peak "people caring about Zeus?" e: some cursory googling suggests that actually that might be pre-Zeus worship in ancient Greece
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FizFashizzle posted:yeah not sure what I was thinking This looks nothing like the Zeus in the film  The biggest differentiator is the clear lack of gigantic glistening muscles. If anything, ZSJL Zeus looked more like Leonidas from 300 lol. teagone fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Mar 20, 2021 |
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Arkage posted:So the similarity is that he is highly muscled and looks Greek? And the differences between the no wings and no hammer and shoots lightning bolts? Lmao. He had wings though, didn't he? Am I imagining that?
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FizFashizzle posted:He had wings though, didn't he? You are. He had a cape.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:That’s from some comics, but Man Of Steel has it specifically designed by Jor-El and/or the ship’s computer. Yeah the Kryptonian suits have their house symbols in relief only, so if there's a silver S on his new suit then it was custom and the whole thing is visually linked to his monument from the end of BvS--the one he stares at immediately post-resurrection.
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bushisms.txt posted:Umm.. it kind of happened... No that's a separate project that didn't involve Whedon, it was by the Boston Legal guy
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FizFashizzle posted:yeah not sure what I was thinking I'm not sure what you were thinking either  Only similarity is "white guy with beard"
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teagone posted:This looks nothing like the Zeus in the film I was just about to post a screenshot from 300 and label it Zeus.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:that scene is set 5000 years ago, right? isn't that peak "people caring about Zeus?" I'm just quoting Venture Bros here, it's a compulsion.
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Darko posted:I was just about to post a screenshot from 300 and label it Zeus. Lmao
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Does this movie look kinda dingy and bad or is that me overreacting to my PS5 HBO Max app not doing 4k....
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i want to know the story of the 7-foot-tall woman with the fire hands
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Piell posted:I'm not sure what you were thinking either Okay I thought those were wings and he was just like hanging out on the ground for whatever reason.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:i want to know the story of the 7-foot-tall woman with the fire hands That is Artemis, goddess of the hunt.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:i want to know the story of the 7-foot-tall woman with the fire hands Think it was supposed to be Artemis since she had a bow? Zeus and Ares also had fire hands, seems like an Olympian god/goddess thing
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Piell posted:Think it was supposed to be Artemis since she had a bow? Zeus and Ares also had fire hands, seems like an Olympian god/goddess thing Yeah she also one shotted a lander at the end of the fight.
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Piell posted:I'm not sure what you were thinking either Guessing he misread the "cape" as wings, still a stretch though. Its just some muscled dude. Looks like a character from the Kevin Sorbo Hercules. But its a lion fur ala Hercules.
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Honestly if Snyder doesn't get to do another JL that's fine, I want him to make an Olympians movie next  Maybe a God of War movie crossover.
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So one thing I was disappointed about the movie is I find Darkseid such a bland villain, compared to someone like Thanos with wonderfully fascinating motivations and complexity. Is there more that makes Darkseid interesting in the dc universe, or is he just a “rawwwr me evil” guy?
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theblackw0lf posted:So one thing I was disappointed about the movie is I find Darkseid such a bland villain, compared to someone like Thanos with wonderfully fascinating motivations and complexity. Is there more that makes Darkseid interesting in the dc universe, or is he just a “rawwwr me evil” guy? He’s fairly well developed, yes.
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theblackw0lf posted:So one thing I was disappointed about the movie is I find Darkseid such a bland villain, compared to someone like Thanos with wonderfully fascinating motivations and complexity. Is there more that makes Darkseid interesting in the dc universe, or is he just a “rawwwr me evil” guy? He's arguably got a lot more going on than Thanos, they just haven't had any time to establish the New Gods in DCEU yet. That was basically a teaser. This movie was about Steppenwolf, who in the Whedon cut is "Rawwwr me evil" but in Snyder is a more interesting lackey who has hosed up and is desperate to prove himself to his master (and cousin). When we actually get to see New Genesis and Apokolips and meet people like Darkseid's children, things change. (To be fair Thanos has more going on to him than they put in the MCU also)
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theblackw0lf posted:So one thing I was disappointed about the movie is I find Darkseid such a bland villain, compared to someone like Thanos with wonderfully fascinating motivations and complexity. Is there more that makes Darkseid interesting in the dc universe, or is he just a “rawwwr me evil” guy? Is that really a fair comparison? Thanos wasn't anything but a big purple dude in the sequel teases either.
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None of Thanos's motives or background or complexity really came into play until Infinity War when he took center stage. This is more like Guardians of the Galaxy where we learned a bit about who Thanos was and what he was looking for, and the villain was directly connected to him, but he was still very much a background figure.
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Zaphod42 posted:He's arguably got a lot more going on than Thanos, they just haven't had any time to establish the New Gods in DCEU yet. But why does he look exactly like Thanos?
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theblackw0lf posted:So one thing I was disappointed about the movie is I find Darkseid such a bland villain, compared to someone like Thanos with wonderfully fascinating motivations and complexity. Is there more that makes Darkseid interesting in the dc universe, or is he just a “rawwwr me evil” guy? Are we talking the cool wants to gently caress titty skeleton version of Thanos or Malthusian dimwit fascist Thanos here I really appreciate that Snyder had the guts to stick with the original insane Kirby stuff and not turn anti life into like a laser sword or something. He’s conquering the galaxy to get a math problem that makes you into a zombie slave
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mcmagic posted:But why does he look exactly like Thanos? Thanos was a copy of Darkseid.
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mcmagic posted:But why does he look exactly like Thanos? Google says, "Darkseid was created in 1971 by comics legend Jack Kirby and directly influenced Jim Starlin in designing Thanos two years later." Thanos is Dollar Tree Darkseid.
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mcmagic posted:But why does he look exactly like Thanos? Thanos was a riff on darkseid and related character metron so he borrows a lot of cues like his love of skirts
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