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Desperado Bones posted:
Yeah when they're fighting over who gets it. When one sibling wants to sell up and the other sibling wants to keep and the sibling who wants to keep has the ability to buy out the other then it gets really simple. e: it's also why they don't just have Falcon offer to buy his sister out. Because while she doesn't want charity, that would be an obvious solution that would negate the drama.
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Azhais posted:Technically Hawkeye used to be a thief so that ranch could have come from anywhere (and we have no idea what his wife does), and Cap was probably a government employee. also tangential to the Avengers, but Xavier seems to have money
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Mar 20, 2021 23:58
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Have to be a pretty lovely telepath to not have money But in the same vein are any of the x-men ever shown to have money other than like archangel
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Alchenar posted:Yeah when they're fighting over who gets it. When one sibling wants to sell up and the other sibling wants to keep and the sibling who wants to keep has the ability to buy out the other then it gets really simple. Here's your answer. Clear as water. It's just humans being humans: Thundercracker posted:I think after all the events of 2020 I wouldn't rule out anything based on misplaced pride. So many people ruined their lives and health from being too proud to admit being wrong.
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Mar 21, 2021 00:01
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Azhais posted:Have to be a pretty lovely telepath to not have money I think Xavier, well in the movies, was already shown to be a rich kid. So there's probably some big inheritance that keeps him on float.
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Mar 21, 2021 00:02
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:I'm not a comic reader but modern spiderman (like last decade or so) stopped being a dumb poor and started his own tech company and is rich. He lost the company (which from a narrative stance, OK, it did take him a bit away from Spider-Man's roots) but then also got pulled off being the Bugle's science reporter (which was a really cool way to recognise him being smart, but also keep the struggling journo angle)
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Mar 21, 2021 00:15
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Whole boat plot sucks, makes no sense. Sink the boat.
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Mar 21, 2021 00:16
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He doesn't have to do commercials for Nike - he'll get literally hundreds of thousands for appearances and speeches at galas/universities/fundraisers. This is how, say, Barack Obama makes money, and is arguably less 'selling out' than selling his services to the US government to advance state interests.
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Mar 21, 2021 00:23
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Tom Tucker posted:Whole boat plot sucks, makes no sense. Sink the boat. YES, I SANK YOUR loving BOAT
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Mar 21, 2021 00:23
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Ravel posted:He doesn't have to do commercials for Nike - he'll get literally hundreds of thousands for appearances and speeches at galas/universities/fundraisers. This is how, say, Barack Obama makes money, and is arguably less 'selling out' than selling his services to the US government to advance state interests. oh my god dude
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Mar 21, 2021 00:25
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Bleck posted:oh my god dude
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Mar 21, 2021 00:28
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Bleck posted:y'all: I can't believe this show just expects us to believe he doesn't have money, which is the only reason I can think of for why a bank would not give him a loan Bleck posted:"the scene with the racism should have been set up in a way as to give us a way to interpret it as something other than racism" Bleck posted:hmm I wonder why a show about a black man in America would show him struggling socially and financially hmm I wonder hmm Bleck posted:can't wait to have to explain basic stuff about white supremacy to MCU fans every time a new episode of this drops Mate, I'm neither white nor American, I'm South African - what's with the incredibly patronising takes as though everyone who's sceptical about whether public figure superheroes would have money issues just doesn't understand narratives about racism.
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Mar 21, 2021 00:33
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Tom Tucker posted:Whole boat plot sucks, makes no sense. Sink the boat. I bet the boat is how they get to Madripoor covertly.
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Mar 21, 2021 00:39
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Azhais posted:Have to be a pretty lovely telepath to not have money Emma Frost is rich. Which again, makes sense because she's a telepath and has expensive taste, so pretty easy for her to make money.
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Mar 21, 2021 00:41
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Monet St Croix and Sunspot are also super rich
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Unrelated to the 6 pages of 'how can falcon not have monies', Yori owned and Bucky seeking atonement is a lot more compelling than I thought he would be. I knew I'd like Falcon's story, but I didn't expect Winter Soldier's to be like this. It really does kinda suck for him right now. Cap, the only person who knows the real him from the past, dipped out and then returned just to die. T'challa is... probably dead? And was probably the person who knew him second best, since he lived in Wakanda for a couple years. Natasha is dead, who helped him (and steve) even when no one else would. All he has left from that half of the team of 'people who supported him' are... Wanda and Sam. And they weren't exactly portrayed as close ever.
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Bucky not having any friends is pretty sad, yeah. He doesn't have a support system, and doesn't know how to build or maintain one. The date was also sad because while he was charming, he was also having to lie about some things, and that's not going to lead to a successful relationship. Hopefully he and Sam do grow closer, and by the end of the series, Bucky will have a purpose.
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KittyEmpress posted:Unrelated to the 6 pages of 'how can falcon not have monies', Yori owned and Bucky seeking atonement is a lot more compelling than I thought he would be. I knew I'd like Falcon's story, but I didn't expect Winter Soldier's to be like this. Presumably there are still plenty of people who's have him in Wakanda if he wanted to go back.
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Codependent Poster posted:. He'll buy and run a bait shop (formerly Sneed's Feed & Seed).
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twistedmentat posted:This would have been a good idea to make her Karla Sofen to set up Moonstone for CM2 or Thunderbolts.
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Robot Hobo posted:I just want a post-credits scene at the end of the series where the therapist puts on a giant bell-shaped helmet and reveals that it was Doctor Bong all along! Even money he shows up in either Deadpool 3 or Thor 4.
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Gaz-L posted:There's been a few cases in the comics of Bucky using his Winter Soldier super-spy skills to infiltrate various grassroots groups that are being used as cover for the bad guy of the month's evil plan, I assume that's where we're going. I don't really see that here. The Winter Soldier seemed to be like HYDRA's pet Darth Vader. The Emperor didn't send Vader in to infiltrate. He sent Vader in to murder the holy living gently caress out of whoever or whatever. Basically if/when HYDRA decided that you absolutely, positively needed to die, they sent the Winter Soldier. I think Bucky enters this one of two ways: Either the Flag-smashers attack or just injure Leah (his date) and/or Yori (in which case God help them) or he sees some specific connection between them and one of the names on his "Make Amends" list. Outside of that, I don't see Bucky giving much of a crap about some bank-robbing anarchist types (which is likely how he'd see them). Everyone fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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Tom Tucker posted:Whole boat plot sucks, makes no sense. Sink the boat. I feel like it's gonna happen sometime before the show ends.
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Mar 21, 2021 02:03
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Huh, I'm rewatching Winter Soldier and I totally forgot that the Falcon suit was just what Sam was issued in the military rather than something inherantly special to him. And he just still has access to it apparently. And no one else has one for reasons.
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stev posted:Huh, I'm rewatching Winter Soldier and I totally forgot that the Falcon suit was just what Sam was issued in the military rather than something inherantly special to him. And he just still has access to it apparently. And no one else has one for reasons. yeah that's a 'pay no attention to the plot contrivance behind the curtain' thing lol e: i mean hawkeye and BW are arguably in the same boat?
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stev posted:Presumably there are still plenty of people who's have him in Wakanda if he wanted to go back. Shuri is always excited to have another broken white boy to fix
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Its Rinaldo posted:Shuri is always excited to have another broken white boy to fix Maybe Vision will show up in Wakanda soon.
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Its Rinaldo posted:Shuri is always excited to have another broken white boy to fix Shuri's not doing much until she acknowledges that the Blip is actually a real thing which existed
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H.R. Hufflepuff posted:Shuri's not doing much until she acknowledges that the Blip is actually a real thing which existed Shuri is a highly intelligent scientist who applies evidence-based thinking to problems. Given that she was dusted, Shuri knows the Blip is a thing. Letitia Wright, on the other hand is maybe a little less into evidence-based thinking. Or, y'know, thinking.
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I wonder if Daniel Kaluuya will take on the BP suit.
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Everyone posted:I think Bucky enters this one of two ways: Either the Flag-smashers attack or just injure Leah (his date) and/or Yori (in which case God help them) or he sees some specific connection between them and one of the names on his "Make Amends" list. Outside of that, I don't see Bucky giving much of a crap about some bank-robbing anarchist types (which is likely how he'd see them). Or three, Sam drags Bucky into it for any number of reasons. stev posted:Huh, I'm rewatching Winter Soldier and I totally forgot that the Falcon suit was just what Sam was issued in the military rather than something inherantly special to him. And he just still has access to it apparently. And no one else has one for reasons. At the time of Winter Soldier there's only one wing suit left (I guess the Air Force decided they were a bad idea and shut down the program), and Nat and Steve have to steal it from the military
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Ravel posted:what's with the incredibly patronising takes as though everyone who's sceptical about whether public figure superheroes would have money issues just doesn't understand narratives about racism. every criticism you've suggested in the context of sam's finances is contradicted directly by the text of the show, and therefore the only conclusion I can reasonably be expected to reach is that you disagree with the subtext (eg. "hey did you know racism exists") I don't know maybe I'm just annoyed that after two months of listening to everyone on the internet fawn over WandaVision's desperate, floundering attempts to say anything meaningful we now have a show that flies out the gate with "racism, you know?" and the response I'm seeing all over the place is "uh, unrealistic. really stretching my credulity, here," Bleck fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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stev posted:Huh, I'm rewatching Winter Soldier and I totally forgot that the Falcon suit was just what Sam was issued in the military rather than something inherantly special to him. And he just still has access to it apparently. And no one else has one for reasons. I complained earlier about this during Wandavision. One of the more irritating things was SWORD sending guys with AR15s and jeeps to apprehend a god witch. The military in MCU just does not use super tech at all, even in the face of clear and present dangers. I'm not expecting them to field the good poo poo that Stark hoards, but any sort of upgrade at all. So yeah, Sam gets to use the wings because the U.S. military is just incompetent I guess.
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I just wanna say the bait and switch of the "making amends" flashbacks was great.
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stev posted:Huh, I'm rewatching Winter Soldier and I totally forgot that the Falcon suit was just what Sam was issued in the military rather than something inherantly special to him. And he just still has access to it apparently. And no one else has one for reasons. They did call it out as Stark tech in this episode, so it's probably as close to the original as spider man's civil war suit was to his sweatpants
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The most unrealistic thing about the MCU is that the U.S. military is apparently incredibly fiscally responsible - they quickly cancel "boondoggle" projects and completely disassemble the factories that produced them, are constantly trying to shrink right before alien invasions, and only operate in squads with 2 - 20 people.
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Ror posted:someone please photoshop one of the sad Virgil convention photos with Falcon instead 
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Bleck posted:every criticism you've suggested in the context of sam's finances is contradicted directly by the text of the show, and therefore the only conclusion I can reasonably be expected to reach is that you disagree with the subtext (eg. "hey did you know racism exists") Like somebody said and a couple of people empty quoted, it's not about how much money Sam has right this second. Right this second, he's got a goodly chunk of change. Right this second he could pay off his sister's debts and/or fix up the boat. There are two basic problems with that, though. First, Sam's sister does not want to take that money from him. She refused his offer to fix the boat, etc. So Plan B was get a loan from the bank with Sam as a co-signer. Sam's sister would pay back the loan and Sam would only step in if she couldn't. Second, aside from Sam being one of the Blipped, his "government contracts" seems to be a "per job" thing. So yeah, Sam probably got a good bit of cheddar from saving that guy in Tunisia. But his contracts are a little unpredictable and unreliable. What if he eats a missile on the next job? Or the military just decides, "gently caress this. We're taking the Falcon stuff, giving it to this white dude over here and calling him the Eagle." At that point Sam become just another unemployed veteran. Let's face it, if the co-signer had been King T'challa of Wakanda who put up maybe half a pebble of Vibranium as collateral, the loan would have been a done deal right there, racism or no racism. Now, that all said, figure the bank guy had some discretion and could have approved the loan. But he didn't, which is where the institutional racism came in and outweighed the Avengers good will. Everyone fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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I swear to god that when I saw Infinity War on opening night in 2018, a bunch of people in front of me cheered when Falcon got dusted. can't say I share the sentiment but it's hard to forget that
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Bleck posted:every criticism you've suggested in the context of sam's finances is contradicted directly by the text of the show, and therefore the only conclusion I can reasonably be expected to reach is that you disagree with the subtext (eg. "hey did you know racism exists") How can anyone engage you in a good faith argument if you're going to assume they're erasing the notion of racism for disagreeing with you. I think it's very clear that this scene is about racism. I think it's very clear that hundreds of thousands of people suffer because banks are elitist cesspools whose entire existence is about controlling the flow of money -- and that leaning into systems of oppression in order to make more money isn't just a thing they're guilty of, but a prospect they actively lean in to. I also think it's completely loving bugnuts that Sam -- one of the most famous people on the planet -- would walk out of there with nothing, and I think it's actively stupid that the show assumes that not only will see him as powerful and well-connected, but that a bank wouldn't also see it that way. I don't care what the legal statutes say, no bank is going to suffer that PR. Sure, you can handwave it all away with some off-screen nonsense about how social and economic paradigms have changed because of all the space alien drama, but, like, the show needs to actually engage with that material and do the hard work to tell us exactly what the world is like now, or else it's just guilty of ad hoc rationalisation (something WandaVision was certainly also guilty of -- for the record, I thought that show got pretty bad.) This is a story that should be told, and could be told -- you could tell this story with Luke Cage. You couldn't tell this story with the man who was instrumentally involved in defeating Earth's first alien invasion, and returned 50% of the population to the planet. That's loving nonsense, and it's one of a number of scenes that beggars my belief that the show has any real idea how to talk about the intersection between race and class. If it works for you, fine. More power to your elbow. But, for me, it's deeply stupid.
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