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So, just to be clear, Desaad's name is a reference to the Marquis de Sade, right?
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PeterCat posted:So, just to be clear, Desaad's name is a reference to the Marquis de Sade, right? Yup.
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The Hack Frauds have spoken https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNp3Q0AfXRg
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fatherboxx posted:I think Snyder should do a musical one day I was thinking exactly that while watching this Sucker Punch clip recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtN6MIf4JGo
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cargohills posted:I was thinking exactly that while watching this Sucker Punch clip recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtN6MIf4JGo Oscar Isaac owns so much
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Asteroid Alert posted:The Hack Frauds have spoken what did they say i ain't watching
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They liked it. Edit: Just to make this even clearer - the RLM guys have hated the Snyderverse films (and said the theatrical JL was better than the previous ones). They enjoyed this film. Asteroid Alert fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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Oh ok l will watch it then
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I've only watched their Star Wars reviews, but the general sense I get from them is that they view genre movies as products to be assembled either correctly or incorrectly, and they probably consider Justice League more "correct" than something like BvS. I'll probably watch them because they've caught things before that I didn't in Rise Of Skywalker or whatever
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Asteroid Alert posted:The Hack Frauds have spoken The Rogue One intro is one of the funniest things I've ever watched and it really shouldn't be
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2house2fly posted:I've only watched their Star Wars reviews, but the general sense I get from them is that they view genre movies as products to be assembled either correctly or incorrectly, and they probably consider Justice Lsague more "correct" than something like BvS. I'll probably watch them because they've caught things before that I didn't in Rise Of Skywalker or whatever You are correct in that. Yet, they are willing to let loose and just gush over an entertaining and well-done film. I guess the Snydeverse really got it's due now, since no one really knew what the aspirations for it was.
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Asteroid Alert posted:The Hack Frauds have spoken 
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See, just a few minutes in they're making a good point about how the first big fight against Steppenwolf is about halfway through- a good place to split it and make a two-part movie, which (had they been interested in releasing a Zack Snyder movie, which obvs they weren't) would have been a great way to go
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Mar 22, 2021 15:27
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They're almost entirely positive about the snyder cut vs the theatrical though. They really, really hate Whedon's additions and keep joking how it cost X MILLION DOLLARS for each bad joke.
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sigh... guess i have to watch the video if they rightfully poo poo on whedon.
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Equeen posted:sigh... guess i have to watch the video if they rightfully poo poo on whedon. It's funny, they really poo poo on him a lot. They seem to only really dislike the Snyder Cut's epilogue set after they win the battle and it's the post apocalyptic thing and the Joker is there that's really a big post-credits teaser
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sean10mm posted:It's funny, they really poo poo on him a lot. I totally get that, the Epilogue might as well just be Snyder dumping a bunch of post-credit teasers for stuff that's never going to get made, it's total indulgence (but as a fan, the best kind)
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"Zack Snyder does not give a gently caress about normal people." -Jay He said that about the Snyder Cut, and Snyder superheroe movies in general, has the problem with Heroes being treated as gods and regular people get shafted. I guess Superman saving the world in MOS and sacrificing himself in BvS doesn't count. The flash and cyborg helping the scientists doesn't count. Like what does he want, does he want Batman telling the police to go help people like Captain America does in Avengers? I'm glad they liked it overall but.. 
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They essentially recant nothing about their MoS/BvS opinions, but also accurately poo poo on every change from the Snyder Cut to the theatrical. e: It's almost like they have a fixed threshold for (stylistic, mostly) "gloom" in comic book movies, and since the Snyder Cut was a little lighter it became disproportionately more accessible for them. sean10mm fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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Seems like it's the most you'll get out of those guys, and surprising that they'd praise it at all.
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My wife and I watched two hours of this last night, and I don't remember the previous version much, other than it was messy, boring and drab. This one is actually pretty awesome and the action scenes are great. Also, Wonder Woman is cool again, because in that latest movie she is super lame.
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Superman coming back evil isn't an excuse for a fight! It's a test of faith! Batman sees the Knightmare happen right in front of his eyes, Superman is brutalising the whole Justice League, this is the worst possible outcome, but he still has faith that things will turn out right. It's important that both before and after the fight he says he's acting on faith. Zack Snyder's Superman is an embodiment of "the people" and by trusting him Batman is trusting the people. Also: oh my god does Superman really refer to people as "civilians" in Josstice League? Holy gently caress!
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Miching Mallecho posted:"Zack Snyder does not give a gently caress about normal people." -Jay It's a wierd complaint when the snydercut is full of scenes where the heroes are shown to care about normal people. Not just more so than in the whedon version, but above average for the genre too, I'd argue.
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I hope one day the goon obsession with RLM will end regardless of their opinions on specific movies, it's kind of a bad look to still be watching them if you've ever seen their masks fully slip.
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Crespolini posted:It's a wierd complaint when the snydercut is full of scenes where the heroes are shown to care about normal people. Not just more so than in the whedon version, but above average for the genre too, I'd argue. He doesn't identify with the struggling single mother. It would be more accurate for this youtube critic to say: "Zack Snyder does not give a gently caress about me."
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Sodomy Hussein posted:I hope one day the goon obsession with RLM will end regardless of their opinions on specific movies, it's kind of a bad look to still be watching them if you've ever seen their masks fully slip. Whats the problem with them? I watched the phantom menace video that got them popular yeearrs ago but couldn't really be bothered to watch anything else. I'm going to just guess that as youtube stars they're all skeezy creeps.
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Aidan_702 posted:Whats the problem with them? I watched the phantom menace video that got them popular yeearrs ago but couldn't really be bothered to watch anything else. There's a bread crumb trail of internet misogyny in particular that fully came off during the Brie Larson "controversy" (controversial with no one but white dudes who watch kids' movies), and they have extremely sheltered midwestern white dudely opinions about why you would put POCs in your movies. Just to name a couple of things. But if you're not convinced of any of that, generally it's just reviewing stuff every member of their audience has already seen and giving completely unadventurous opinions about them that amount to I Liked Good Thing or Disliked Bad Thing. After a point the gimmick is boring and there's no real discussion or insight happening. Like the deepest into the pool you will get is 80's film canon for young boys. It's very good at reconfirming the opinions of their fandom and that's about it.
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sean10mm posted:They're almost entirely positive about the snyder cut vs the theatrical though. That's nice.
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Crespolini posted:It's a wierd complaint when the snydercut is full of scenes where the heroes are shown to care about normal people. Not just more so than in the whedon version, but above average for the genre too, I'd argue. I might be misunderstanding, but I don't think the "concern" is about whether or not the heroes care about normal people, but whether or not the movie cares, if that makes sense? Like, showing heroes saving people is still focusing on the heroes. I think whether or not that matters is extremely arguable but I think the point is slightly different from what you're saying.
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The bits with young Cyborg in the principal's office and then later with the evicted waitress are the most "Superheroes caring about average people" I've seen in a comic book movie in years tbqh
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smug n stuff posted:I might be misunderstanding, but I don't think the "concern" is about whether or not the heroes care about normal people, but whether or not the movie cares, if that makes sense? Like, showing heroes saving people is still focusing on the heroes. I think whether or not that matters is extremely arguable but I think the point is slightly different from what you're saying. Yeah I agree with this and tbf Justice League in particular is less oriented toward the heroics of regular people (since it's an ensemble super hero movie with 5 super characters and a bunch of other supernatural support to boot), tho you still have Silas, Lois and Alfred contributing pretty significantly. The previous Snyder movies and particularly Man of Steel are even more blatantly about the heroism of normal people tho: Pa Kent's sacrifice, Martha's ability to help Clark focus, Perry and newsroom guy staying to help Jenny etc. Like this stuff is all over those other movies, it's a serious blind-spot to miss it.
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I really don't get the take that Man of Steel is excessively GRIMDARK in particular. It's almost all in broad daylight, good beats evil, the hero gets the girl, humanity is largely shown in a positive way. The bad guys are militaristic space eugenicists so it's not like they *shouldn't* gently caress off forever either. I do think the final battle runs on too long but Superman tries to take the fight into SPACE and people are bitching he doesn't try to prevent casualties? BvS being grim I at least get from the aesthetic and them killing Superman at the end. But MoS?
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sean10mm posted:I really don't get the take that Man of Steel is excessively GRIMDARK in particular. It's almost all in broad daylight, good beats evil, the hero gets the girl, humanity is largely shown in a positive way. The bad guys are militaristic space eugenicists so it's not like they *shouldn't* gently caress off forever either. I've always found it completely baffling as well. MoS is incredibly optimistic, probably the most optimistic cape flick to date. It's just that Clark actually has to work through some pretty heavy poo poo to win out and doesn't make many quips while doing it. I think "actual stakes = GRIMDARK" to a lot of people
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I think there is a kind of feeling of listlessness in Snyder's movies. You get a lot of people who are not superheroes or superheroes in everything but costume (Lois, Alfred) kind of lead these put upon mediocre lives. Smallville is a really good example. It's not this idealistic smalltown anymore. It's a bit desolate, more big box stores. I'm not sure if that ever worked for me in MoS and BvS, but it definitely shines in that one moment where Cyborg helps the lady. I think someone said something about it being an example of Cyborg not understanding institutional injustice, but I disagree. This lady isn't being hounded by the mob or attacked by killer clowns or in immediate danger. She's just this normal woman being slowly crushed by the world itself. You see it reflected in Cyborg's flashback when he hacks to help fix the girl's grades. He's saving someone from not active cruelty, but indifference. SZ Justice League isn't a really good movie, but I feel like there is an amazing Cyborg movie in there. I really hope him and Fisher just work on their own thing. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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Darkseid’s design makes him look like an old balding guy with a chinstrap beard.
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sean10mm posted:I really don't get the take that Man of Steel is excessively GRIMDARK in particular. It's almost all in broad daylight, good beats evil, the hero gets the girl, humanity is largely shown in a positive way. The bad guys are militaristic space eugenicists so it's not like they *shouldn't* gently caress off forever either. It just has a darker color palette than most of the really popular MCU movies. The colorful palette critics of these movies claimed they wanted was what happened in the theatrical version of justice league. Just looking straight up like a TV series on the CW or something.
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Superhero films are expected to be serviceable nonconfrontational entertainment, and that's the opposite of what MoS was trying to be.
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Trying to locate the problem in the actual contents and properties of the movies is a waste of time. The people you're arguing with mostly don't know or care what they are either. e: Like there are fair criticisms of any and all of them, but anyone talking about "grimdark" or objectivist Superman or whatever can be traced back to some moronic outrage farmer on YouTube. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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fatherboxx posted:The snydercut is a strange movie but there is nothing like it, so it is still a success and is going to have a very interesting legacy in movie history. Your username makes me think you’re suspiciously biased.
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i thought the whedon version was fine and i couldn't see how this would be much different since the shape of the story would be the same, but until watching it i didn't realize the biggest thing whedon cut was every possible cyborg scene he could, no wonder the actor was pissed i also respect that zack snyder just kind of accepts that (other than the flash) none of these living gods even try to be relatable or normal people i guess i'm snyderpilled now???????????
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