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Timeless Appeal posted:I think there is a kind of feeling of listlessness in Snyder's movies. You get a lot of people who are not superheroes or superheroes in everything but costume (Lois, Alfred) kind of lead these put upon mediocre lives. Smallville is a really good example. It's not this idealistic smalltown anymore. It's a bit desolate, more big box stores. This is what actually happened to small towns. If Snyder's most "realistic" movies - where he deliberately tries to introduce Real Life Stuff - have feelings of listlessness, what does that tell you?
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smug n stuff posted:Like, showing heroes saving people is still focusing on the heroes. I do not understand what this means. What would the hypothetical alternative be? Is there a good example of it?
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Mandrel posted:I do not understand what this means. What would the hypothetical alternative be? Is there a good example of it? I believe they mean that the movie would show the people hugging and sighing in relief afterwards, instead of Snyder usually focusing on the hero zooming off to the next problem. Some people want to see the good guys eat that hero cake.
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Mar 22, 2021 17:41
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Josh Lyman posted:Darkseid’s design makes him look like an old balding guy with a chinstrap beard. Yeah it rocks.
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Mar 22, 2021 17:41
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Timeless Appeal posted:I think there is a kind of feeling of listlessness in Snyder's movies. You get a lot of people who are not superheroes or superheroes in everything but costume (Lois, Alfred) kind of lead these put upon mediocre lives. Smallville is a really good example. It's not this idealistic smalltown anymore. It's a bit desolate, more big box stores. Hell and welcome to modern between-the-coasts America. We live in a world of fear and doubt, and one of the main problems Superman has to overcome is that no one believes he could be acting without some nefarious ulterior motive.
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Mar 22, 2021 17:46
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:This is what actually happened to small towns. If Snyder's most "realistic" movies - where he deliberately tries to introduce Real Life Stuff - have feelings of listlessness, what does that tell you? I wasn't listing it as a critique, just stating how Snyder deals with normal people in his stories. Saying he doesn't care about them is incorrect and is definitely not true in JL. In MoS and BvS, I don't think the motif necessarily develops into a coherent theme for me as much as it does with Cyborg's story.
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Mar 22, 2021 17:47
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Josh Lyman posted:Darkseid’s design makes him look like an old balding guy with a chinstrap beard. Alex Ross riffed on that in Kingdom Come with Orion. 
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Mar 22, 2021 17:49
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Mandrel posted:I do not understand what this means. What would the hypothetical alternative be? Is there a good example of it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LuBXWIf9zA&t=20s
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Mar 22, 2021 17:50
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The anti-life equation was in the IHOP the whole time
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Mar 22, 2021 17:50
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Mandrel posted:I do not understand what this means. What would the hypothetical alternative be? Is there a good example of it? I said above but I think the idea is, normal people just in general taking part in the story. Justice League is the weakest of the trilogy in that aspect but it's because you have 5 super teamers, Atlanteans, Amazonians, etc to cover, and while you still have Lois, Martha, Silas, the scientists and Alfred, they are a smaller ratio than in an average super hero movie. By the same token the last two Avenger's movies are stuffed to the gills with supers because it's the grand finale crossover, although they arguably have even fewer normal humans from what I recall.
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Mar 22, 2021 17:50
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RBA Starblade posted:The anti-life equation was in the Waffle House the whole time Fixed this to make it far more believable.
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Mar 22, 2021 17:53
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RBA Starblade posted:The anti-life equation was in the IHOP the whole time And the Zeo crystal is under the Dunkin Donuts
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Mar 22, 2021 17:56
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RBA Starblade posted:The anti-life equation was in the IHOP the whole time Honestly, that'd be a really good take. Retail work as a life without hope. Consumerist mediocrity as hell. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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Schwarzwald posted:Honestly, that'd be a really good take.
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Mar 22, 2021 18:00
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Schwarzwald posted:Honestly, that'd be a really good take. Retail work as a life without hope. Consumerist mediocrity as hell. They should have done a deal with Waffle House or IHOP to stamp an imprint of the anti life equation on every pancake they serve
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Mar 22, 2021 18:01
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smug n stuff posted:I might be misunderstanding, but I don't think the "concern" is about whether or not the heroes care about normal people, but whether or not the movie cares, if that makes sense? Like, showing heroes saving people is still focusing on the heroes. I think whether or not that matters is extremely arguable but I think the point is slightly different from what you're saying. Well, I suppose. But then I'd like to know which are the movies that do this "right", so to speak.
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Mar 22, 2021 18:01
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Gatts posted:They should have done a deal with Waffle House or IHOP to stamp an imprint of the anti life equation on every pancake they serve It'd have to be IHOP because Waffle House is Life.
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Mar 22, 2021 18:03
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Crespolini posted:Well, I suppose. But then I'd like to know which are the movies that do this "right", so to speak. I think the Nolan movies do a pretty good job of this.
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Mar 22, 2021 18:06
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Timeless Appeal posted:I'm not really sure what you're fishing for here. You said the movies seem listless and cited Smallville's de-evolution to an emptier big box parking lot. Also that Alfred and Lois seem to lead mediocre lives. So knowing what we know - that Snyder believes that heroes should be couched in a more realistic, less fantastic setting - what does it mean that Smallville has been economically damaged and that nobody "normal" seems happy with their lives? Is Snyder being dour and manufacturing a more dismal world, or...?
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Mar 22, 2021 18:07
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Retrowave Joe posted:It'd have to be IHOP because Waffle House is Life. There are some professionals who use Waffle House as an indicator of economy or quality of life where if they shut down or close for prolonged periods you know poo poo got real.
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Mar 22, 2021 18:09
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:You said the movies seem listless and cited Smallville's de-evolution to an emptier big box parking lot. Also that Alfred and Lois seem to lead mediocre lives. So knowing what we know - that Snyder believes that heroes should be couched in a more realistic, less fantastic setting - what does it mean that Smallville has been economically damaged and that nobody "normal" seems happy with their lives? Is Snyder being dour and manufacturing a more dismal world, or...? That's literally just a more realistic depiction of modern day Smallville. The idyllic American small town was always a myth, and nowadays stretches credulity to breaking point.
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Mar 22, 2021 18:14
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Superman dying and his mom having to move into a studio apartment next to the IHOP where she works is the realest thing that's ever been in a comic book movie
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Horizon Burning posted:this actually threw me, too. i assume it was something under the temple of athena or whatever. It just would have been better if they showed where she actually went to get there. A secret door/floor opening or something. And I guess I expected Steppenwolf to not be so dumb as to annihilate himself to “prove his worth” so to speak. He seemed like he wanted to be right hand man again, not dead. Lord Krangdar posted:2. The Mother Boxes don't just destroy. They can terraform, reconfigure, and recreate. At one point when the heroes discuss using the boxes to resurrect Superman they say the power of the boxes could, for example, turn the smoke and ash of a burnt down house back into a normal house. So presumably, they could return Earth back to its ancient form, when the Anti-Life Equation was written on its surface. From Barry’s perspective it looked to be destroying and from the prologue, it was just going to recreate Darkseid’s planet in its place. There didn’t seem to be an active direction from anyone to recreate Earth from the old times so they could view the equation. I guess this whole anti-life equation wasn’t clear either. I saw an omega symbol when he hit the ground, so was that supposed to be part of it or just what happens when you moltenize the surface with the axe or an indicator that it was located there somewhere? You say it’s written on the planet, I didn’t get that kind of understanding from the movie. It seemed more like a hidden object the way it was discussed.
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I like that polymorphed Martha Kent has a dramatically overexaggerated Kansas vocal twang because MMH is a dweeb.
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Mar 22, 2021 18:27
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Guy A. Person posted:I said above but I think the idea is, normal people just in general taking part in the story. Justice League is the weakest of the trilogy in that aspect but it's because you have 5 super teamers, Atlanteans, Amazonians, etc to cover, and while you still have Lois, Martha, Silas, the scientists and Alfred, they are a smaller ratio than in an average super hero movie. The shift in Justice League is that these are the normal people now. Like, okay, Aquaman's fully living life of a pagan god and Bruce Wayne's obscenely rich, but the rest of the team is: -Immigrant woman coping with grief and social isolation. -Unemployed neuroatypical dude, with dad in jail. -Physically disabled college student. They have zany abilities, but they're not really living that god life. Diana's doing better than most, though, which is why she's trying to help the others. The role of the 'unpowered' humans is mainly to emphasize that not much has actually changed after Superman's death. Like, the little scene where Lois buys coffee shows us there's still class disparity and, y'know, police. The bank took Martha's house, and things just keep slogging along.
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I laughed at Bruce buying the bank instead of just paying off Ma Kent’s mortgage like the rich billionaire piece of poo poo he is.
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Has anyone managed to see the new, REMASTERD BvS Ultimate edition?
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Mar 22, 2021 18:33
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As a scoffer at the idea of the Snyder Cut for years, I'm eating some crow over here. That was a pretty darn good movie. How about that.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Hell and welcome to modern between-the-coasts America. We live in a world of fear and doubt, and one of the main problems Superman has to overcome is that no one believes he could be acting without some nefarious ulterior motive. Honestly this seems like a more accurate reflection of America at this point than traditional superman stuff. Everyone is suspicious of everyone else being a secret self-serving double agent that is only putting on a good show for social media.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The shift in Justice League is that these are the normal people now. Like, okay, Aquaman's fully living life of a pagan god and Bruce Wayne's obscenely rich, but the rest of the team is: That's kind of a theme with a lot of them really. Batman is mentally ill, with basically untreated PTSD being just the start of it (BvS strongly implies alcoholism and drug addiction), and Superman is an adopted neuroatypical-coded immigrant orphan.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:You said the movies seem listless and cited Smallville's de-evolution to an emptier big box parking lot. Also that Alfred and Lois seem to lead mediocre lives. So knowing what we know - that Snyder believes that heroes should be couched in a more realistic, less fantastic setting - what does it mean that Smallville has been economically damaged and that nobody "normal" seems happy with their lives? Is Snyder being dour and manufacturing a more dismal world, or...? But yeah, I get it, small town America died. I'm not critiquing Snyder for showing people living listless lives. I am arguing that he definitely has a clear point of view for who the non-superheroes in his films are. It's silly to say he doesn't care about them. I don't know if he necessarily carries that point of view forward in a cohesive way, but I do really like that Cyborg scene. Also, your posts are kind of condescending. EDIT: Like if you have a bigger insight on what that motif means for BvS and MoS, just name it. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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Asteroid Alert posted:Has anyone managed to see the new, REMASTERD BvS Ultimate edition? The original Ultimate Edition did not switch back and forth between regular and IMAX aspect ratio, but the new iTunes version does. From scrolling through it briefly, Knightmare, and the title fight, are both in 4:3-ish IMAX aspect ratio. I couldn't tell you if the colors are better, because come on it's on a lovely ipad.
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fishing with the fam posted:As a scoffer at the idea of the Snyder Cut for years, I'm eating some crow over here. That was a pretty darn good movie. How about that. It was certainly better than BvS, which I was not expecting.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:I like that polymorphed Martha Kent has a dramatically overexaggerated Kansas vocal twang because MMH is a dweeb. That was a great touch by Diana Lane
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Like, okay, Aquaman's fully living life of a pagan god I love this, and stuff like the crowd reaching out to touch Superman in BvS Has this been a thing in superhero movies? At the very least there should be cults forming around Thor, surely
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Mar 22, 2021 19:07
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Crespolini posted:I love this, and stuff like the crowd reaching out to touch Superman in BvS I don't know if this is the thing you're in fact referring to but in one the spider-man films there's a building in the background that says 'the korean church of asguard'
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Blood Boils posted:That was a great touch by Diana Lane Thought for the day: They should have made Martha Kent Martian Manhunter
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Asteroid Alert posted:The Hack Frauds have spoken Oh poo poo, everyone get ready to change their opinion.
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Aidan_702 posted:I don't know if this is the thing you're in fact referring to but in one the spider-man films there's a building in the background that says 'the korean church of asguard' ha, that's kinda great
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Asteroid Alert posted:Has anyone managed to see the new, REMASTERD BvS Ultimate edition? Yep! It looks fantastic. The IMAX sequences are gorgeous and the general recoloring is very nice. I think its the first IMAX blockbuster release thats kept the full aspect ratio at 4:3 too. Ive only ever seen IMAX stuff at 16:9 on bluray releases.
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