Steam Megathread: Stop being boomers! *adds 10 boomer shooters to cart*

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bamhand: Apr 15, 2010

Gay Rat Wedding posted:

Increasingly unclear on why classes that aren�t the necromancer exist in loop hero

How do you not get destroyed by the lich in act 4? He just punches me in the face 5 times and I die.

Also the warrior can crush act 3 super easily. Been using that to farm since I can't figure out a consistent act 4 strat yet.

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 06:55

Broken Cog: Dec 29, 2009; We're all friends here

jimmydalad posted:

EDIT:
I�ve beaten the boss with every character on Normal mode. Expert I�ve only reached once and I got absolutely destroyed when I got there. The final boss is hard as hell and I did need a few runs to really work out the stages and what they expect out of you. Most successful battles end with just 1 or 2 people clinging onto dear life as they get the last bit of damage.

Charon is OP though.

Oh yeah, Expert mode, should have specified.

Yeah, he's rough. Feels like you need both good strategy as well as a fair bit of luck when going up against him.

Broken Cog fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Mar 22, 2021

# ? Mar 22, 2021 21:17

Morter: Jul 1, 2006; Seashells by the
Seashorpheus

explosivo posted:

It's been 3 hours and many months but I've finally beaten the first mission in Nioh 2 and have seen the intro title card

It would've taken longer too if I didn't just summon two visitors that demolished everything in a few hits to push me past the end. I kept getting frustrated and shelved the game for just long enough to forget how to play and then come back to try again. I really like the game but drat there's a lot of mechanics to keep straight during combat.

In contrast, I've beaten the final boss and got the end credits...

so the REAL game begins:

Sylphosaurus posted:

Just another tuesday in Finland, I see.

Is that what they call Wednesdays over there?

Morter fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Mar 22, 2021

# ? Mar 22, 2021 21:18

Zeron: Oct 23, 2010

Ragequit posted:

I see a new NieR is coming out in a few weeks. Everyone keeps telling me to play NieR: Automata, so I guess it's time. From what I can tell, the Xbox Game Pass version is superior to the Steam version because it has a bunch of updates that somehow didn't make it to Steam? If so, I guess I'll pay the $10 a month to play it there.

That's correct, the Windows Store/Game Pass one is by all accounts much better technical/stability wise compared to Steam. Steam version worked fine with the FAR mod for me, but it's probably much more cost effective to do Game Pass anyway.

Zeron fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Mar 22, 2021

# ? Mar 22, 2021 21:19

explosivo: May 23, 2004; Fueled by Satan

Morter posted:

In contrast, I've beaten the final boss and got the end credits...

so the REAL game begins:

I'm actually really really enjoying the game now. It was such a slog getting through that first level for me but with better gear and a bit more of an understanding of how combat works, the next levels have been much less frustrating. I'm still getting fed up and quitting because a boss pisses me off but at least I am not having as much of an issue with the chaff in between boss fights. I've also been trying any weapon I find if it's better damage than the last and have stumbled on some real cool poo poo like the hatchets and the switch..pole? thing? I forget what it's called but I like the range of it.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 21:23

twistedmentat: Nov 21, 2003; Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

I know the Star Control on sale right now is not made with any of the original people and had that kind of scummy thing where companies have just bought up properites without anything going to those creators, but how is the game?

# ? Mar 22, 2021 21:41

GhostDog: Jul 30, 2003; Always see everything.

I've been playing Mundaun for a few hours now and I like it a lot. Explore a remote town in the swiss alps and find out what led to your grandfather burning to death in his barn. The devil is probably involved in cases and places like this.

It's the work of a single (I think) swiss dude using a unique pencil drawing artstyle which works for me most of the time though sometimes it can also look a bit washed out and PS1 era-ish. The voice work is in a rare swiss dialect with latin and german roots.

I expected like a two hour artsy walking simulator but turns out this is a pretty full fledged horror/survival/adventure type game. Give it a look if you like that kind of stuff, it's like 15 bucks.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 21:43

Begemot: Oct 14, 2012; The One True Oden

explosivo posted:

I'm actually really really enjoying the game now. It was such a slog getting through that first level for me but with better gear and a bit more of an understanding of how combat works, the next levels have been much less frustrating. I'm still getting fed up and quitting because a boss pisses me off but at least I am not having as much of an issue with the chaff in between boss fights. I've also been trying any weapon I find if it's better damage than the last and have stumbled on some real cool poo poo like the hatchets and the switch..pole? thing? I forget what it's called but I like the range of it.

For what it's worth, I'm getting pretty close to the end of the game, and the third boss (the snake unicorn thing) is still by far the hardest one I've fought. That big room-clearing attack with almost no windup is just infuriating. Every other fight has been a lot more fun, usually only took one or two tries.

And yeah the hatchets are really cool. They're basically tonfa, but with ranged attacks!

# ? Mar 22, 2021 21:46

Darkrenown: Jul 18, 2012; please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes

I haven't been so excited about new games in a while. I'm still playing through Pathfinder: Kingmaker and enjoying it very much, but on the 25th Monster Train gets DLC:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1359320/The_Last_Divinity/

Then on the 30th, Evil Genius 2!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/700600/Evil_Genius_2_World_Domination/

In the meantime, Endzone is out of early access and looks like a post-apocalyptical Banished with a better UI:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/933820/Endzone__A_World_Apart/

Slightly further afield, Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous is coming in the summer and looks great, I'm not sure if I want to be a Lich or a walking swarm of evil bugs
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1184370/Pathfinder_Wrath_of_the_Righteous/

# ? Mar 22, 2021 21:56

Ragequit: Jun 1, 2006; Lipstick Apathy

Zeron posted:

That's correct, the Windows Store/Game Pass one is by all accounts much better technical/stability wise compared to Steam. Steam version worked fine with the FAR mod for me, but it's probably much more cost effective to do Game Pass anyway.

Thanks for the confirmation. Not sure if the cost evens out since it usually takes me a few months to beat a game, but we�ll see.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:03

Ambaire: Sep 4, 2009; by Shine; Oven Wrangler

ultrafilter posted:

https://twitter.com/pcgamer/status/1373596209559011331

It's really not clear that the current state of the market is sustainable, and I at least would be happier if I'd bought fewer cheap and potentially crappy games.

I think that 99% of the stuff in the Steam discovery queue is utter crap. It's mostly just endless recycled variations of different gameplay concepts with not really enough to stand out from the crowd and create a truly compelling gameplay experience.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:06

StrixNebulosa: Feb 14, 2012; You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Ambaire posted:

I think that 99% of the stuff in the Steam discovery queue is utter crap. It's mostly just endless recycled variations of different gameplay concepts with not really enough to stand out from the crowd and create a truly compelling gameplay experience.

I can glean actually cool/good games from the queue (so I can put them in the Fresh Releases thread) but [ask] me about the unity asset flips / untagged porn with titties out / russia bitcoin furry kill trump games I have to see to find them. :ughh:

# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:11

Cardiovorax: Jun 5, 2011; I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

Yyyyeah, the discovery queue can be really hit or miss, and it becomes more and more miss the more often you use it. Once a month is fine. More than that and it really starts to scrape the bottom of the barrel just to have something to show you.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:12

StrixNebulosa: Feb 14, 2012; You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Cardiovorax posted:

Yyyyeah, the discovery queue can be really hit or miss, and it becomes more and more miss the more often you use it. Once a month is fine. More than that and it really starts to scrape the bottom of the barrel just to have something to show you.

Uh, no? I use it 2-3 times daily and while there's usually trash in 8/10 of the slots, there's still almost always something new and neat looking in every single queue:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1564090/Landlord_of_the_Woods/

quote:

You're 25, you feel like all of your peers are ahead of you in life so you apply for a new job to try to find some sort of meaning. Your new career is filled with physics-based puzzles, hand drawn art & a cute little story.

quote:

A lovely odd little thing! A puzzle game where you are tasked with collecting rent from the amicable yet peculiar creatures of the woods. To do so you will need to complete mini puzzles like working out how to prepare a meal for a ghost, or decorate some trees with the right body parts. Yes, some of your tasks are a bit grim, but the lovely art and calm atmospheric soundtrack mean that you'll never be too grossed out about having to say scoop out a creature's brains.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:14

StrixNebulosa: Feb 14, 2012; You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Basically I want the queue to be better filtered so I could find those 2-4 actually good games in one use of the queue instead of having to do it 2-3 times and hitting ignore on unity flash asset flip 34r8975

# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:15

Cardiovorax: Jun 5, 2011; I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

StrixNebulosa posted:

Uh, no? I use it 2-3 times daily and while there's usually trash in 8/10 of the slots, there's still almost always something new and neat looking in every single queue:

Well, in my experience it certainly does! Once it runs out of all the most popular recent games, it'll just show me whatever else is left that I haven't already looked at at some point, which is typically stuff I don't care to look at.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:16

Awesome!: Oct 17, 2008; Ready for adventure!

i dont need the discovery queue to show me the newest doom or whatever. i know those exist just based on word of mouth. it showing me completely random crap ive never heard of i much more valuable to me.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:23

Peaceful Anarchy: Sep 18, 2005; sXe
I am the math man.

ultrafilter posted:

https://twitter.com/pcgamer/status/1373596209559011331

It's really not clear that the current state of the market is sustainable, and I at least would be happier if I'd bought fewer cheap and potentially crappy games.

Every single article like this, including this one, looks at pricing entirely from the dev perspective, and uses breakout well made indie games as representatives for a flooded market. Sustainable is the wrong word to use because the market simply doesn't sustain anything for many indie devs, and it never has and never will no matter what pricing schemes they choose. Because even if you ignore all the asset flips and game like trash, there are so many games available that if you can't stand out you won't make it. This is not unique to games, it's not even, as that one economist in the article suggests, restricted to "creatives." It's a reality of capitalism that a lot of businesses fail, especially small ones, because matching cost, price and demand in a sustainable way is difficult and circumstantial.

It's interesting that the article's thrust seems to be "price higher, and justify your higher price by making it better, more unique and more polished" as if that was something most indie devs were able to do.
I mean just look at this quote:

quote:

Or they could relate a game to its existing exemplars through its pricing. So they can advertise, say, a Civ-like game as 20% cheaper than Civilisation, rather than price it with the low price of other indie strategy games. (Maybe because he's an economist, Bergen is a big Civ fan.)

Yes, this is a great strategy in theoretical economist land. In reality, making a game that can compete on that level requires investment capital that would take you orders of magnitude beyond what most people think of when you say "indie dev." The Endless Legend devs (published by Sega) are doing it, so now your theoretical indie dev has to compete with Civ and with them for value.

or

quote:

The Witness managed it, though, and it did it by following one of Bergen's general strategies for going value-based: by focusing on making a high-quality, distinctive, long and feature-filled game. Easy, right? Of course, The Witness also had Blow's reputation behind it.

Yeah, that last line is not a throwaway, it's an integral part of why that game was a success. Also not just his reputation making marketing easier, but the opportunities his initial success gave him to be able to make that high quality distinctive long and feature filled game in the first place.

Unlike what the article suggests, low pricing from indie devs is not something done to entice customers with the price, it's something done to lower the barrier of entry into the unknown. No one stands out because their game is $10 instead of $20, but when someone hears about that game from somewhere they're more likely to take a flier on it at the lower price. Some specific games may be priced lower than they need to be, but most aren't.

Also LOL at PC gamer tweeting out a 4 year old article as if it were new.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:24

ultrafilter: Aug 23, 2007; It's okay if you have any questions.

The biggest problem with recommender systems is that they tend to push everyone towards the same already popular products. Steam's doesn't behave like that, which is a good thing, but it's not at all clear that that's intentional.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:25

Ambaire: Sep 4, 2009; by Shine; Oven Wrangler

StrixNebulosa posted:

Uh, no? I use it 2-3 times daily and while there's usually trash in 8/10 of the slots, there's still almost always something new and neat looking in every single queue:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1564090/Landlord_of_the_Woods/

I look at that, and my brain just says "looks like garbage, ignore, next".

Peaceful Anarchy posted:

Also LOL at PC gamer tweeting out a 4 year old article as if it were new.

Something 4 years old can still be relevant, and where did they imply it was new?

edit:

StrixNebulosa posted:

untagged porn with titties out

it's just breasts. Random gratuitous gore, on the other hand.. ugh.

Ambaire fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Mar 22, 2021

# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:29

StrixNebulosa: Feb 14, 2012; You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Ambaire posted:

I look at that, and my brain just says "looks like garbage, ignore, next".

I haven�t bought or played it so I ask out of curiosity: why does this look like garbage?

# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:32

Peaceful Anarchy: Sep 18, 2005; sXe
I am the math man.

Ambaire posted:

Something 4 years old can still be relevant, and where did they imply it was new?

The underlying question of game pricing and the indie ecosystem is still relevant, but the article itself isn't particularly relevant. For one, the entire bundle ecosystem, a primary way for indie games to get sales, has undergone at least one, maybe two, significant shifts in that time. I expect that new tweets from magazines/newspapers etc tweeting their own articles to be new articles (unless noted otherwise), but fair enough that that assumption is on me and not implied by the tweet.

Ambaire posted:

I look at that, and my brain just says "looks like garbage, ignore, next".

It looks unique-ish which is more than I can say for most things in the queue. I have no sense as to whether it's good or not, or how long it is, or even what the gameplay is like, though.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:41

ErrEff: Feb 13, 2012

That Landlord game is creeping me out a bit with the dead animal carcasses and body parts.

Art and music is otherwise okay and it might be a good casual experience to chill out with, were it not for the above stuff.

Especially when it is paired with this:

quote:

You're 25, you feel like all of your peers are ahead of you in life so you apply for a new job to try to find some sort of meaning. Your new career is filled with physics-based puzzles, hand drawn art & a cute little story.

Heck yeah, love unearthing dead mice and skinning birds.

EDIT: Didn't notice the price - I guess I can't complain too much if it is only a dollar.

ErrEff fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Mar 22, 2021

# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:44

Hwurmp: May 20, 2005

StrixNebulosa posted:

I haven�t bought or played it so I ask out of curiosity: why does this look like garbage?

no breasts

# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:54

StrixNebulosa: Feb 14, 2012; You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

https://twitter.com/dominictarason/status/1374116334976503809?s=21

# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:59

Cowcaster: Aug 7, 2002

strix you buy like 8 games a week

# ? Mar 22, 2021 23:01

Kibayasu: Mar 28, 2010

It�s possible that update may make Gen Zero worthwhile but it has so many fundamental issues.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 23:03

StrixNebulosa: Feb 14, 2012; You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Cowcaster posted:

strix you buy like 8 games a week

Hm? And?

# ? Mar 22, 2021 23:03

steinrokkan: Apr 2, 2011; Soiled Meat

StrixNebulosa posted:

https://twitter.com/dominictarason/status/1374116334976503809?s=21

It looks like generic coop open world sandbox bullshit, what makes this one stand out?

# ? Mar 22, 2021 23:07

Cowcaster: Aug 7, 2002

StrixNebulosa posted:

Hm? And?

i don't think you can be considered as having the typical perspective for the usefulness of the steam discovery queue

# ? Mar 22, 2021 23:09

Cardiovorax: Jun 5, 2011; I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

steinrokkan posted:

It looks like generic coop open world sandbox bullshit, what makes this one stand out?

You fight mechas. That's about it. Fun for an hour or two, but I wouldn't spend money on it.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 23:12

Propaganda Hour: Aug 25, 2008; after editing wikipedia as a joke for 16 years, i ve convinced myself that homer simpson's japanese name translates to the "The beer goblin"

Awesome! posted:

i dont need the discovery queue to show me the newest doom or whatever. i know those exist just based on word of mouth. it showing me completely random crap ive never heard of i much more valuable to me.

I feel like the role of the discovery queue is to recommend GTA V to me for the 500th time despite already owning it. I've never once see an intriguing indie game from an unknown developer on there, which I think was the original intent?

Panzer Dragoon Remake is on sale for like 7 USD. Might finally pick that up https://store.steampowered.com/app/1178880/

# ? Mar 22, 2021 23:23

FirstAidKite: Nov 8, 2009

Cowcaster posted:

i don't think you can be considered as having the typical perspective for the usefulness of the steam discovery queue

More like Bullycaster

# ? Mar 22, 2021 23:24

Kibayasu: Mar 28, 2010

steinrokkan posted:

It looks like generic coop open world sandbox bullshit, what makes this one stand out?

At the moment, nothing. In fact I�d call it below generic because it lacks a lot of the stuff that makes other games generic.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 23:28

StrixNebulosa: Feb 14, 2012; You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Cowcaster posted:

i don't think you can be considered as having the typical perspective for the usefulness of the steam discovery queue

I am honestly not sure how to respond to this one. I like finding and looking at new games and sharing with others. I don�t expect everyone to buy these, and I pick quotes so folks can snapshot judge and move on.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 23:32

Peaceful Anarchy: Sep 18, 2005; sXe
I am the math man.

Propaganda Hour posted:

I feel like the role of the discovery queue is to recommend GTA V to me for the 500th time despite already owning it. I've never once see an intriguing indie game from an unknown developer on there, which I think was the original intent?

Are you sure you're not confusing the discovery queue with some other element of the store page? The discovery queue takes you page by page through games you haven't seen before. It shouldn't be possible to get owned games in it, especially multiple times.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 23:32

FirstAidKite: Nov 8, 2009

Actually I wonder what's in my discovery queue, I never look there unless a sale is giving me cards to check it.

Valheim, Baldur's Gate 3, Jackbox Party Pack 7, Apex Legends, Dragon Quest XI S, Crusader Kings 3, Mr. Prepper, Forza Horizon 4, some game called 鬼谷八荒 that doesn't even have english language support yet, Nioh 2, Little Nightmares 2, and Labyrinthine. Only 3 games there I haven't heard about (Mr. Prepper, 鬼谷八荒, and Labyrinthine), and the rest are games I've either heard of that looked interesting or heard of and seemed decently received but aren't my kind of game, and the only ones I don't really know for sure about are Forza Horizon 4 (I don't follow racing games so idk if it is a good racing game or if I'd enjoy it) and Apex Legends (I only recognize the name and know not much else about it).

I'm surprised, I was expecting the queue to be a bit more random, it just seemed to dump whatever is a recent popular release on me though I guess that's kind of the point when so many of the titles are recommended because they're popular and/or sold well. I assume if I used the queue more often then it'd probably have less current major titles in the queue and more random indie titles.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 23:35

Cowcaster: Aug 7, 2002

StrixNebulosa posted:

I am honestly not sure how to respond to this one. I like finding and looking at new games and sharing with others. I don�t expect everyone to buy these, and I pick quotes so folks can snapshot judge and move on.

sorry i wasn't trying to be mean if it came across that way, i was just trying to say it's kind of self evident that you'd find the steam discovery queue more useful than most people, you buy lots of games and you like finding new games to experiment with. but for someone who's not regularly picking up new games, or wanting to try them out at the drop of a hat, the utility of it as a meaningful way to find new games that they'd actually like goes down dramatically

Cowcaster fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Mar 22, 2021

# ? Mar 22, 2021 23:36

Awesome!: Oct 17, 2008; Ready for adventure!

FirstAidKite posted:

I assume if I used the queue more often then it'd probably have less current major titles in the queue and more random indie titles.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 23:41

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 06:55

Morter: Jul 1, 2006; Seashells by the
Seashorpheus

Hey, I like shooters. I sorta liked Serious Sam 2 and 3. Is 4 worth buying? Anything that improves on the formula? It's the cheapest it's ever been in the Humble Store.

# ? Mar 22, 2021 23:42

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