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FilthyImp posted:Steven Universe and Nu She-Ra were both described as HopePunk and it was fuckin duuuuuuuumbb I have an intense revulsion to this knowledge and I cannot express why
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too bad y'all, its cined canon that snyders dceu is hopepunk eternal
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# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:04 |
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KVeezy3 posted:The example I gave isn't an extreme strawman, and was quite common when the Man of Steel thread was in its prime. Posters pushing back on those kind of empty readings are a big reason why CineD has this reputation as being smug elitists about 'empty' popcorn films. And posters still routinely drive by, completely bewildered that people actually like Snyder's interpretations of these characters and worlds. Well I think we can actually agree that if you've only seen the theatrical BvS and only the Whedon JL that you've had a pretty awful experience. So its not that bewildering that people have those takes. I still haven't seen ultimate BvS myself. But regardless of it being something someone posted before, its still nothing to do with the current discussion and not worth bringing up. Like yeah, trolls also exist, but "well someone once trolled ____" isn't really something worth bringing up in a discussion of legitimate takes. It risks completely derailing the conversation, and feels like you're even saying "anybody who disagrees with me is like one of these idiots".
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# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:04 |
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just call it "optimistic" or "positive" or something jfc
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# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:04 |
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Hopepunk is dumb.
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# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:04 |
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I prefer Snyderpunk
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# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:05 |
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Y'all just gotta accept that -punk is a suffix now and people are going to abuse it for shorthand its like -gate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB9JgxhXW5w
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MacheteZombie posted:too bad y'all, its cined canon that snyders dceu is hopepunk eternal Um, Mods???? ...oh, poo poo...
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Toxic positivity is how I've heard that idea described more often, and yes it's absolutely a thing.
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Zaphod42 posted:As cited earlier, warhammer fans lean into it. From what media I’ve consumed of Warhammer, I dare say their fans have a sense of humor about the whole thing, aren’t fooled and know what it is they’re dealing with in subject matter and don’t take it personal level serious. But I could be wrong “If the Emperor had a text to speech device” is one of the best comedies on YouTube Gatts fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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Gatts posted:From what media I’ve consumed of Warhammer, I dare say their fans have a sense of humor about the whole thing, aren’t fooled and know what it is they’re dealing with in subject matter and don’t take it personal level serious. I mean, yeah? That just sounds healthy. Not sure I see the point you're making. Are you saying anybody who calls a Snyder movie "grimdark" isn't doing that and must be taking it personally? Yeah Bruva Alfabusa is funny poo poo.
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Burkion posted:I have an intense revulsion to this knowledge and I cannot express why Steven Universe ended with the hopeful message that you should feel bad and sorry for the tyrannical intergalactic titans because they were sad, you see The show was so good for a time too but at some point it just went utterly inane
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# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:20 |
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FilthyImp posted:It took a few days, but the hot takes are here, mother! A good deal on the left already framed Snyder as unforgivable due to supposed Objectivism, Christian Science, and hip youtube armchair analysis channels that become defacto mascots for making GBS threads on him. This movie is yet another political battle for those who smash everything around them into a culture war framework, just like with what happened to TLJ.
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Zaphod42 posted:Well I think we can actually agree that if you've only seen the theatrical BvS and only the Whedon JL that you've had a pretty awful experience. So its not that bewildering that people have those takes. I still haven't seen ultimate BvS myself. It's not about disagreement or whether one personally liked or had an awful experience with a film. I've read plenty of interesting reads of films by posters here of films they thought were dreadful. I brought past examples up because people use concepts like "Grim-dark" in a similar way, to function as roadblocks to discussion.
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KVeezy3 posted:It's not about disagreement or whether one personally liked or had an awful experience with a film. I've read plenty of interesting reads of films by posters here of films they thought were dreadful. I brought past examples up because people use concepts like "Grim-dark" in a similar way, to function as roadblocks to discussion. If somebody is trolling then the problem is they're trolling, not the use of a single word. Sorry but I think you just gotta call that out for what it is, and its even equally toxic to assume someone is being disingenuous and label them such because they used a word.
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FilthyImp posted:It took a few days, but the hot takes are here, mother! it's interesting how joss whedon's real-life abuse of the cast and crew on the set of Justice League isn't deemed worth even briefly mentioning but zack snyder making the fictional character batman be a bad guy for two hours is an unforgiveable crime
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Augus posted:i have never heard the term hopepunk until now and I already despise it "It's not an S. On my world, it means 'hopepunk'."
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Augus posted:it's interesting how joss whedon's real-life abuse of the cast and crew on the set of Justice League isn't deemed worth even briefly mentioning
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Zaphod42 posted:If somebody is trolling then the problem is they're trolling, not the use of a single word. Sorry but I think you just gotta call that out for what it is, and its even equally toxic to assume someone is being disingenuous and label them such because they used a word. You're getting me wrong here. I'm not labeling them as trolls, because I don't think they're being disingenuous.
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FilthyImp posted:"people were dicks about wanting something online, the horror" It's such a weird tactic to try to make people give a poo poo about someone's Twitter mentions.
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# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:35 |
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Zack Snyder is the Bernie Sanders of cape poo poo.
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# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:36 |
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Zaphod42 posted:If somebody is trolling then the problem is they're trolling, not the use of a single word. Sorry but I think you just gotta call that out for what it is, and its even equally toxic to assume someone is being disingenuous and label them such because they used a word. I mean, tracing this discussion back to the beginning, that's exactly what people were saying all along. This started when someone said "I don't get why people said MoS was grimdark" and then you started talking about the usage of the word. But the person who first used the word on page 90 wasn't referencing a single specific use of the word "grimdark" and why it was wrong to use it in that instance, they were using it as short hand for 8 years of complaints about the tone of MoS
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# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:37 |
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This is a can of worms and you know maybe it's better off not bringing up but dangit I just can't help it. I am extremely tired of media platforms propping up white women who seem to have taken on alternate names that just kind of happen to by total coincidence make them more "exotic and ethnic" sounding, and then they happen to present themselves as a voice for all minorities, and they just conveniently never actually explain what kind of place of privilege they may actually be speaking from. It is very difficult to go down this road of discussion without approaching the subject of doxxing, and I absolutely have no interest in prying into that writer's life or doing anything beyond making this post and then moving on. And with any given figure it is of course possible to have a bad read on the situation because I, in fact, have no idea where they're really coming from. But the same poo poo happened with certain rabidly anti-Bernie people and my reflex is now to trust my instinct to ignore that kind of person.
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Mantis42 posted:Zack Snyder is the Bernie Sanders of cape poo poo. Confirmed. https://twitter.com/joss/status/1121443103972438017?lang=en
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Zaphod42 posted:If somebody is trolling then the problem is they're trolling, not the use of a single word. Sorry but I think you just gotta call that out for what it is, and its even equally toxic to assume someone is being disingenuous and label them such because they used a word. Toxic is about as useful and clearly defined a word as grimdark these days. Next you'll say I'm being problematic. Yikes. (Ok I'm done now) Arkage fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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Arkage posted:Toxic is about as useful and clearly defined a word as grimdark these days. Next you'll say I'm being problematic. Yikes.
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LesterGroans posted:Um, Mods????
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# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:50 |
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"Toxic" and especially "problematic" are perfectly cromulent words, not a fan of "grimdark" outside it's context within Warcraft
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# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:51 |
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At some point we all have to try to move beyond whatever noun is causing a ruckus and explain what we mean by it using details from the work itself, anything less has no merit or substance
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# ? Mar 22, 2021 22:58 |
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There’s nothing toxic about bullying corporations. Specific people maybe. Depending on the context. (Everyone who wants Kathleen Kennedy can choke on my rear end)
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Zaphod42 posted:She's exceptionally evil, but I have ALWAYS hated her character design in comics and in animated incarnations. As someone with an evil grandma I appreciate the representation.
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# ? Mar 22, 2021 23:11 |
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Why did Bruce Wayne buy the bank, instead of just buying the Kents' house from the bank
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# ? Mar 22, 2021 23:17 |
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Probably wants to go insanely above and beyond because he's still guilty about going sickhouse on Superman's rear end
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smoobles posted:Why did Bruce Wayne buy the bank, instead of just buying the Kents' house from the bank So he could forgive even more debt
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smoobles posted:Why did Bruce Wayne buy the bank, instead of just buying the Kents' house from the bank He's a capitalist, and his charities are all Gotham based John Wick of Dogs posted:So he could forgive even more debt It's a nice start but he's not THAT redeemed
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Blood Boils posted:He's a capitalist, and his charities are all Gotham based He was trying to solve the mystery of who stole $100,000 from the Gotham Bank
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HBomberguy Begins https://twitter.com/Hbomberguy/status/1374122315206770688?s=19 He loves Zack Snyder and all his fans hate Zack Snyder, so the replies are hilarious John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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Horizon Burning posted:Steven Universe ended with the hopeful message that you should feel bad and sorry for the tyrannical intergalactic titans because they were sad, you see Aren't its fans notoriously vile and entitled, too? I feel like the only time I heard about the show was its fans trying to cyberbully someone into committing suicide for not drawing characters fat enough or poo poo like that.
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