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Drunk Driver Dad
Feb 18, 2005

nitsuga posted:

A picture would help me understand how you’re holding the pick, but I don’t think I’d worry too much as long as it’s comfortable. I see now you said you’d post some later though.

For your theory question, I think you’ll have an easier time with E standard at first if you’re more used to that. But if this is a second guitar, go for it with C standard. It always takes a little extra mental effort to figure out what I’m doing from a theory perspective in alternate tunings, even half a step down throws me off, but it’s fun and a good change of pace. I do a lot of improvisation (noodling) too, and I don’t have much for formal education, but it’s fun to mess around and then try to apply what you’ve learned all over again.

My main guitar stays in D standard. This guitar will come setup in E obviously, so I'll likely just leave it there for a while and use it for the theory stuff. Also I tried holding the pick somewhat like how Justin Guitar shows, with the pointer finger pointing down toward the pick point, against the side of your pointer finger, and I think I can deal with that. If anything it sort of felt easier to do my pinches that way, so I'll work on that a while and see how it goes. I just can't hold the pick with a curled in pointer finger like a lot of people do, it's not comfortable for my hands. This weekend when I'm off I'll see if I can do a video of my progress so far with Spirit Crusher and take some photos to of what I'm talking about.

Also quick question, when people make videos of guitar covers/their progress to playing along with a song/etc, and everything sounds like it has reasonable sound quality, how are they doing that? Do they just buy a decent mic and stick it there close to their amp and speakers playing backing tracks/whatever song, or do they just arm a track in a DAW and just overlay it on a normal video? Just recording with my phone sounds so bad it's probably impossible to even tell how good my playing is or not.

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Lumpy
Apr 26, 2002

La! La! La! Laaaa!



College Slice

mango sentinel posted:

Got my last guitar related purchase for A Minute.

Squier Classic Vibe Jazzmaster :3:


You might want to check that bridge, I'm not sure the strings are supposed to go that way.







(very nice!)

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
That color and that torte pickguard are impossible to beat

Dr. Faustus
Feb 18, 2001

Grimey Drawer

Carth Dookie posted:

edit: Also hershey is loving garbage and I pity you americans who don't get proper chocolate.
MODS!!!?

nitsuga
Jan 1, 2007

mango sentinel posted:

Got my last guitar related purchase for A Minute.

Squier Classic Vibe Jazzmaster :3:


Same guitar, same color here. The CV guitars really do it for me in general, but yeah, I love me a Jazzmaster something fierce.

Drunk Driver Dad posted:

My main guitar stays in D standard. This guitar will come setup in E obviously, so I'll likely just leave it there for a while and use it for the theory stuff. Also I tried holding the pick somewhat like how Justin Guitar shows, with the pointer finger pointing down toward the pick point, against the side of your pointer finger, and I think I can deal with that. If anything it sort of felt easier to do my pinches that way, so I'll work on that a while and see how it goes. I just can't hold the pick with a curled in pointer finger like a lot of people do, it's not comfortable for my hands. This weekend when I'm off I'll see if I can do a video of my progress so far with Spirit Crusher and take some photos to of what I'm talking about.

Also quick question, when people make videos of guitar covers/their progress to playing along with a song/etc, and everything sounds like it has reasonable sound quality, how are they doing that? Do they just buy a decent mic and stick it there close to their amp and speakers playing backing tracks/whatever song, or do they just arm a track in a DAW and just overlay it on a normal video? Just recording with my phone sounds so bad it's probably impossible to even tell how good my playing is or not.

I’ll bet there’s a mix of approaches, but I think I’d record into a DAW somehow or another. There are a lot of options for recording guitar. Generally, you can:

- Use a USB interface and your DAW’s amp modeling
- Use your amp’s USB output
- Use a mic or a line out and a USB interface

It depends on what you have already, but the first two are definitely easier to get set up. But I think with some level checks you can get something workable with your phone too. Especially if it’s just guitar you’ll be recording with the phone’s mic.

Thumposaurus
Jul 24, 2007


They aren't wrong.

a foolish pianist
May 6, 2007

(bi)cyclic mutation

Carth Dookie posted:

edit: Also hershey is loving garbage and I pity you americans who don't get proper chocolate.

How are you posting from the 1970s, where all kinds of good and local chocolate isn’t widely available in the US?

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

a foolish pianist posted:

How are you posting from the 1970s, where all kinds of good and local chocolate isn’t widely available in the US?

Hey I thought you guys did as well, but


That kind of posting suggests that either you aren't getting the good stuff, which is bad, or that you are getting the good stuff, but choosing the barf-bars anyway, which is even worse.

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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Spoiled milk chocolate is good idc. :spooky::spooky:

Butyric acid is yumballs.

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



a foolish pianist posted:

How are you posting from the 1970s, where all kinds of good and local chocolate isn’t widely available in the US?

It’s like how Europeans still love to mock American beer like it’s all Coors Lite.

Meanwhile lots of gas stations have rooms full of microbrews

Verman
Jul 4, 2005
Third time is a charm right?
I'll admit I was a bit late to the jaguar and jazzmaster liking. Growing up in the late 90s and early 00s, it felt like the trends were leaning towards schecter, ibanez, and the nu-metal scene. Strats, teles and everything else felt like old guy guitars. I was mostly gravitating towards les pauls at the time. I think the first time I saw someone playing one in a music video or something (aside from Nirvana and I was never a fan) was the guy in smashmouth. Its funny how kids form this view based on absolutely nothing.

Fender offsets are just one of those guitar types that eluded me for so long and for no real reason other than my own ignorance but now I love the looks of them but I don't think I've ever actually played one before so maybe I'll head into a shop to try one out. I just need to stay focused because my next guitar purchase will be a gretsch hollow body but not until after we buy a house.

Also Hershey is rear end ... but its bad in the same way taco bell is bad. You know its bad but its okay because its not pretending to be great. Its cheap tasty junk. Even just the difference between a ritter sport or Milka and a hershey bar are night and day. That doesn't mean I won't still inhale a snickers or a reeses peanut butter cup but a ritter sport is divine.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
europeans don't even have barrel aged pastry stouts everywhere smdh

Thumposaurus
Jul 24, 2007

Chocolate chat Tony's Chocolonely is made using slavery free practices so it's the only one I don't feel bad about buying.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
If I eat hershey's 20 minutes later my innards will feel like I chugged a car battery

Drunk Driver Dad
Feb 18, 2005

nitsuga posted:

Same guitar, same color here. The CV guitars really do it for me in general, but yeah, I love me a Jazzmaster something fierce.


I’ll bet there’s a mix of approaches, but I think I’d record into a DAW somehow or another. There are a lot of options for recording guitar. Generally, you can:

- Use a USB interface and your DAW’s amp modeling
- Use your amp’s USB output
- Use a mic or a line out and a USB interface

It depends on what you have already, but the first two are definitely easier to get set up. But I think with some level checks you can get something workable with your phone too. Especially if it’s just guitar you’ll be recording with the phone’s mic.

Yeah, I have both an amp that can do that, as well as an interface. I was mostly just asking what's an easy way to get reasonable sound quality if I just wanted to record a video playing for critique/impressing people on facebook/whatever reason, but I just found out there are instructional things on youtube for doing exactly that. I tried to record video of myself playing the other day so a friend could hear something and the audio quality was just bad through my phone obviously.

Also I think I found out it's possible to build fatigue up in your arm on a day to day basis by playing fast stuff too much. My playing tonight was much slower and shittier than usual, so I think I need a break for a day or two and to obviously go back to practicing slower more.

former glory
Jul 11, 2011

I turned on my Vox for the first time in a while and dialed in a better lead tone than before with a muff and memory man delay and ...

:kstare:

I like my Katana's tone so much more. I've got it dialed well to my preset tones and I feel like my pedals are overkill for what I do now. The Katana's built-in effects are no joke.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

former glory posted:

I turned on my Vox for the first time in a while and dialed in a better lead tone than before with a muff and memory man delay and ...

:kstare:

I like my Katana's tone so much more. I've got it dialed well to my preset tones and I feel like my pedals are overkill for what I do now. The Katana's built-in effects are no joke.

I'm still trying to dial in some sounds I like in my Katana but my cheap expression pedal showed up yesterday and boy all those really fun to play with.

Robot Arms
Sep 19, 2008

R!
I feel like I'm doing something wrong because I just move the knobs around on whatever amp I'm using and I'm nearly always fine with the tone I get. My amp is nothing fancy, just a Yamaha THR10X. Sometimes the song I'm working on needs distortion or fuzz or reverb or delay, so I add those. I used to have a cheap Danelectro practice amp, and that was fine, too. I'd love to get a cool-rear end vintage Fender Reverb or something, but I'm sure that's just fine, too. It's all pretty much just fine.

Maybe I just don't have the patience but it seems like there's supposed to be this magic moment when you're like AHA THAT'S THE TONE! and I don't even know how I would know that.

I don't even think different guitars sound all that different. I owned a tele with P90s for a while, and it sounded fine, too, but not all that much different from my first guitar, which has (splittable) humbuckers.

I saw a rig rundown with Tom Morello where he talked about giving up on his search for tone and just drew some lines on his amp, called it good enough, and he's never changed them. I feel like that's more where I am. Get to good enough and then don't worry about it.

Or is there something wrong with my ears? Like what are you all searching for when you are trying to find that perfect tone?

20 Blunts
Jan 21, 2017

Robot Arms posted:

I feel like I'm doing something wrong because I just move the knobs around on whatever amp I'm using and I'm nearly always fine with the tone I get. My amp is nothing fancy, just a Yamaha THR10X. Sometimes the song I'm working on needs distortion or fuzz or reverb or delay, so I add those. I used to have a cheap Danelectro practice amp, and that was fine, too. I'd love to get a cool-rear end vintage Fender Reverb or something, but I'm sure that's just fine, too. It's all pretty much just fine.

Maybe I just don't have the patience but it seems like there's supposed to be this magic moment when you're like AHA THAT'S THE TONE! and I don't even know how I would know that.

I don't even think different guitars sound all that different. I owned a tele with P90s for a while, and it sounded fine, too, but not all that much different from my first guitar, which has (splittable) humbuckers.

I saw a rig rundown with Tom Morello where he talked about giving up on his search for tone and just drew some lines on his amp, called it good enough, and he's never changed them. I feel like that's more where I am. Get to good enough and then don't worry about it.

Or is there something wrong with my ears? Like what are you all searching for when you are trying to find that perfect tone?

haha good luck to you sir

what you're describing is what actually playing guitar is....

Gramps
Dec 30, 2006


The new Neural DSP Soldano plugin is friggin awesome. I could make this same post basically any time they release a new plugin honestly, but the Soldano really does kick some major rear end.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
I like clear distortions with a lot of saturation and presence without a lot of resonance. Those last two are referring to the knobs on the amp that govern gain in the high and low freq ranges. Also a moderate amount of high mids but not a lot of low mids.

I can very easily describe a lovely tone but it's kinda hard to describe a good tone. I can later post examples of really good tones and really bad ones.

a foolish pianist
May 6, 2007

(bi)cyclic mutation

Robot Arms posted:

I feel like I'm doing something wrong because I just move the knobs around on whatever amp I'm using and I'm nearly always fine with the tone I get. My amp is nothing fancy, just a Yamaha THR10X. Sometimes the song I'm working on needs distortion or fuzz or reverb or delay, so I add those. I used to have a cheap Danelectro practice amp, and that was fine, too. I'd love to get a cool-rear end vintage Fender Reverb or something, but I'm sure that's just fine, too. It's all pretty much just fine.

Maybe I just don't have the patience but it seems like there's supposed to be this magic moment when you're like AHA THAT'S THE TONE! and I don't even know how I would know that.

I don't even think different guitars sound all that different. I owned a tele with P90s for a while, and it sounded fine, too, but not all that much different from my first guitar, which has (splittable) humbuckers.

I saw a rig rundown with Tom Morello where he talked about giving up on his search for tone and just drew some lines on his amp, called it good enough, and he's never changed them. I feel like that's more where I am. Get to good enough and then don't worry about it.

Or is there something wrong with my ears? Like what are you all searching for when you are trying to find that perfect tone?

I've also got a THR10X, and it stays on the brown 2 setting, 3/4 delay+reverb, and the gain knob at either 1/4 or all the way, pretty much all the time.

Being finicky about tone seems like a trap or a way to spend a bunch of time not getting better at actually playing the guitar while still kinda hanging around with the instrument.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo
What's the go-to place to browse decent katana presets?

darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR
"Tone is in the fingers" is one of those old TGP chestnuts but also not entirely wrong even if people are coming at it from the wrong direction. You're not going to make a poo poo amp sound like a vintage DR, but eventually you start to get a feel for how to get the best out of a piece of kit to make it work for your playing.

For an example see that clip of John Mayer playing Tobin Abasi's eight string headless monster and pretty much sounding like John playing a strat.

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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I found the kind of tones I like and then dial it in until pleased and that’s it. The “quest for toanz” helps for pushing yourself and also it’s necessary to look for new stuff if you design circuits but aside from that the emphasis should be on playing.

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer
One of the Adam Neely videos he says, "tone is in the fingers" and "gear doesn't matter" apply to most players, because most players aren't good enough for it not to be true. It doesn't mean, a real player can make the neck on a LP sound like the bridge on a tele using just their fingers. It means, "stop tone chasing by buying gear when you are just starting out and/or can't half play what you have already."

Another Paul Davids video along the same lines he says, "If you are playing SRV on a tele and it's driving you a little nuts, by all means go out and buy a strat. But don't think you NEED a strat to play SRV or that getting a strat will inspire you to play SRV. If you wanted to play SRV, you'd already be doing it on whatever instrument you had access to. Gear can be fuel on a fire that's already burning, but it's never going to be the spark in the first place."

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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#1 SIMP

"Tone is in the fingers" is a reference to the fact a lot of players leave expressiveness on the table because you don't know/haven't practiced the art of getting the most out of the guitar. The reason people sound like themselves is good guitarists develop their own stylistic language that they can "speak" on any guitar. The rest of the adage, that gear doesn't matter, is of course total idiocy.

Anyhoozlebee it's a gross oversimplification that mostly misses the point but has some wisdom in it.

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

Dang It Bhabhi! posted:

"Tone is in the fingers" is a reference to the fact a lot of players leave expressiveness on the table because you don't know/haven't practiced the art of getting the most out of the guitar. The reason people sound like themselves is good guitarists develop their own stylistic language that they can "speak" on any guitar. The rest of the adage, that gear doesn't matter, is of course total idiocy.

Anyhoozlebee it's a gross oversimplification that mostly misses the point but has some wisdom in it.

:yeah:

It’s entirely true and probably the best sign of a genuinely talented expressive guitarist but in text it can be meaningless if not examined in the correct context.

beer gas canister
Oct 30, 2007

shmups are da best come play some shmups they're cheap and good and you like them
Plaster Town Cop

Robot Arms posted:

Maybe I just don't have the patience but it seems like there's supposed to be this magic moment when you're like AHA THAT'S THE TONE! and I don't even know how I would know that.
this does happen but it's due to practice, not gear

bees everywhere
Nov 19, 2002

Dang It Bhabhi! posted:

"Tone is in the fingers" is a reference to the fact a lot of players leave expressiveness on the table because you don't know/haven't practiced the art of getting the most out of the guitar. The reason people sound like themselves is good guitarists develop their own stylistic language that they can "speak" on any guitar. The rest of the adage, that gear doesn't matter, is of course total idiocy.

Anyhoozlebee it's a gross oversimplification that mostly misses the point but has some wisdom in it.

I've been practicing this song for years and for the longest time I've been able to play the right notes at the right times and everything, but I still don't consider myself completely there yet due to what you're referring to. All of those little subtle things that can't really be taught and only come after thousands of hours of practice.

Lester Shy
May 1, 2002

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

Robot Arms posted:

Get to good enough and then don't worry about it.

Yep, this is me. Sometimes I need clean, sometimes I need dirty, sometimes I need time effects and modulation, etc. Other than that, I don't really worry about tone, and if you came in and swapped the pickups on my guitar while I was asleep I probably wouldn't notice. I hate shopping for gear, I hate sitting there fiddling with knobs going "does this sound better than this?" for hours and hours.

I might start caring more if I had unlimited money or was getting paid to play, but I'm perfectly happy with the little built-in sounds on my THR at the moment.

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

Robot Arms posted:

I feel like I'm doing something wrong because I just move the knobs around on whatever amp I'm using and I'm nearly always fine with the tone I get. My amp is nothing fancy, just a Yamaha THR10X.

I'm not a good player but you are doing yourself a huge favor.

That said I keep buying more gear.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo
I bought a bunch with stimulus funbux and, while I've still got a pedal wishlist, my gear avarice has sated for now. Last thing I bought was a string height gauge and I think I'm chill for a while.

Gramps
Dec 30, 2006


for me, tone hunting has always been about inspiration. Can I get the job done with drat near anything? Sure, but a great tone just makes me want to play and never stop. Any new rig or plugin or whatever I'll spend a little time dialing in sounds that speak to me so I can just call them up at a moment's notice and just stop thinking about the gear entirely. I have a bunch of go to sounds for the various styles I like to play, and I just don't mess with them at all until I've recorded something and I need to tweak for mixing purposes.

The reason I have always recommended modeling amps to newer players is that it takes the gear hunting completely out of the equation basically. You've got access to a ton of sounds. Find a few sounds you like (3-4 is plenty for most people), and just play the drat thing. When you're ready to upgrade you have a good idea of the tone you like and you can just buy the real versions of what you've been modeling.

NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino
Speaking of modelling, here's some weird rough Ministry sounding thing I just whipped up in 20 mins

Puppy eater

One of my patients accused me of eating puppies yesterday, so here's a tune about eating dogs to get high. Also feat L'il Jon samples I had for some reason.

Used guitar rig 6.
Left guitar is a Metalzone into a Marshall cab, right is the Rammfire.

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

The Yamaha THR10X is fancy tho.

NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino
My physical head is a Blackstar 100w modelling thing and whilst it's not the best sounding amp ever, the range of stuff I can coax out of it makes up for that. Guitar Rig is easier until I get a bigger interface

Lester Shy
May 1, 2002

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!
I also think part of it is that my ears are just not that refined. Give me a blindfold test between 5 different OD pedals and 5 "placebos" and I doubt I could even tell you when the pedal changed, much less tell you which one I liked better than another and why.

a foolish pianist
May 6, 2007

(bi)cyclic mutation

Sweaty IT Nerd posted:

The Yamaha THR10X is fancy tho.

It has little orange LEDs in the cabinet that power up slowly to help you pretend it's a tube amp!

fancy and cute

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Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

a foolish pianist posted:

It has little orange LEDs in the cabinet that power up slowly to help you pretend it's a tube amp!

fancy and cute

It's adorable for sure.

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