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Schwarzwald posted:Another two directors who I consider somewhat superficially similar to Snyder et al. are the Wachowskis. I don't remember the Matrix sequels getting quite the level of hate as some of the films mentioned, but there was kind of a similar vibe of nerd frustration about them. the way the metaphor that the Wachowski sisters used to describe the experience of subaltern frustration and, in particular, being trans got transformed into MRA bullshit is really sad and grotesque and also a perfect example of the kind of "territorializing" behavior i'm describing when it succeeds at its goals
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McCloud posted:If 300 is taken at face value, sure, it's easy to see why one would call it xenophobic and bigoted and what not, but it's clearly not meant to be taken at face value. This is where things get a little interesting with Justice League, since there has been effectively no complaint about the Amazonian plotline from the same people. It’s basically 300 in miniature, albeit without the child abuse aspect (perhaps for the simple reason that there are no Amazonian children). Just in a general sense, Diana’s story is absolutely fuckin’ bonkers. Detective No. 27 posted:Hulk was BvS before BvS. Hulk was largely ripped off by Iron Man 1. BVS is actually a remake of Hancock. Tuxedo Catfish posted:his movies have some nods towards the international and systemic nature of the problems the world is facing, and that's a good first step, but it's not like he's some kind of communist auteur, any more than he's a fascist lol. he's almost comically inoffensive, at least relative to the mainstream American baseline You don’t need to go full communist to terrify the centrists. Man Of Steel’s liberal character is Jor-El. Superman allies with him, but is ultimately way more politically radical. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Mar 24, 2021 |
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:It's also, like, Iron Man 1 and 2 are basically an adaptation of The Fountainhead, but the people Howard Roark refuses to give the building to are (secret) Nationalist Socialists and not Socialists, so nobody gave a gently caress. I do think people white wash 300 a bit. You can make the satirical comments if you want, but turning an Iranian man into a monster and weaponizing queerness to make the audience uncomfortable is not great and worth critiquing. It doesn't mean that 300 is pro-Bush propaganda--I know the argument that it's the literal opposite--or Snyder a bigot.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:After like 8 years I still don't know what makes people so angry about Snyder. I still giggle to myself thinking about actually "controversial" filmmakers and how silly it is the comic book guy has managed to stir the cultural pot more than they could ever dream of. Like of all the legends of studio interference and meddling and an artist losing their vision to the mechanisms of corporate greed it is loving Zack Snyders Justice League which is now the beacon of hope for artistic integrity against the powers that be.
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Timeless Appeal posted:You can make the satirical comments if you want, but turning an Iranian man into a monster and weaponizing queerness to make the audience uncomfortable is not great and worth critiquing. Problematizing things is good. There have been plenty of queer-coded villains over the years (e.g. Willem Dafoe’s Green Goblin). So why does 300 specifically render people uncomfortable? Frankly, it’s because Xerxes is way more seductive. The distortion of the narrative makes it exceedingly clear that Leonidas and the gang are very into it - which is why they need to so violently reject it.
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Detective No. 27 posted:I just had a revelation. The Knightmare sequences would have naturally ended with Kamandi. Ah, goddamn that would’ve been awesome.
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Blood Boils posted:Hilariously Ang Lee is the only one who actually thought about giving this character a backstory that would explain rage issues. He does. That’s why I said Ang Lee did his homework. It’s a very memorable Peter David story that Ang interpreted to the big screen where Banner can’t control his warring Hulks and we dive into his mind and see that history at the root of it all. Especially since that is what gets Banner and his Grey and Green Hulk personas to declare a truce of sorts, acceptance and then results in the merged Hulk which is considered one of the best runs of the character. Banner’s intelligence, Grey Hulk’s attitude, and Green Hulk’s body. When we see Banner Hulk in Endgame it’s basically the result of him making peace with his issues and it’s ultra poo poo the MCU didn’t bother giving us this.
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Blood Boils posted:Hilariously Ang Lee is the only one who actually thought about giving this character a backstory that would explain rage issues. I like that Lee found a way to make the hulk science grounded, but still went bug nuts crazy with it. Detective No. 27 posted:Hulk was BvS before BvS. Absolutely, "lol monster poodle dogs" is the OG MARTHA
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Mar 24, 2021 05:02
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Something else Ang Lee's Hulk and Man of Steel have in common is I've had people I've been friends with IRL for decades stone cold look me in the eye deadly serious and say they can't really trust anything I say about movies ever again because I mentioned liking them.
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Mar 24, 2021 05:12
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Caridean posted:I specifically said what I meant by that, you should go back and read it. Car-An, no!
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Mar 24, 2021 05:14
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Bootleg Trunks posted:Car-An, no! Holy poo poo permabanned for speaking truth to power. The Snyder thread strikes again
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Neo Rasa posted:Something else Ang Lee's Hulk and Man of Steel have in common is I've had people I've been friends with IRL for decades stone cold look me in the eye deadly serious and say they can't really trust anything I say about movies ever again because I mentioned liking them. It's weird how the comic book movies that take their premises deadly serious are the ones that drive folks up the wall.
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Mar 24, 2021 05:21
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Detective No. 27 posted:It's weird how the comic book movies that take their premises deadly serious are the ones that drive folks up the wall. This is why I've begun to lovingly call the comic book movie genre "cape poo poo" instead.
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Mar 24, 2021 05:23
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teagone posted:This is why I've begun to lovingly call the comic book movie genre "cape poo poo" instead. 
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Mar 24, 2021 05:25
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literally the only thing I remember about Ang Lee’s Hulk is this one perfect scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmG-UmiY0vQ&t=113s
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Gatts posted:He does. That’s why I said Ang Lee did his homework. It’s a very memorable Peter David story that Ang interpreted to the big screen where Banner can’t control his warring Hulks and we dive into his mind and see that history at the root of it all. Especially since that is what gets Banner and his Grey and Green Hulk personas to declare a truce of sorts, acceptance and then results in the merged Hulk which is considered one of the best runs of the character. Banner’s intelligence, Grey Hulk’s attitude, and Green Hulk’s body. When we see Banner Hulk in Endgame it’s basically the result of him making peace with his issues and it’s ultra poo poo the MCU didn’t bother giving us this. Ah I see. I've only read a handful of OG Hulk by Lee/Kirby. Do they ever explain why he wears purple pants? I know it was the 60s, but Banner doesn't seem very hip Neo Rasa posted:Something else Ang Lee's Hulk and Man of Steel have in common is I've had people I've been friends with IRL for decades stone cold look me in the eye deadly serious and say they can't really trust anything I say about movies ever again because I mentioned liking them. This is me but with the prequels. Unfortunately for those particular friends I already found their taste somewhat questionable, so that lessened the sting. How ironic! Lol
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teagone posted:This is why I've begun to lovingly call the comic book movie genre "cape poo poo" instead. i call them caped punchgods movies but "cape poo poo" actually is a pretty good encapsulation
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To be fair to the Spartans, while their society is a catastrophe they still have a right to defend themselves against imperialist aggression.
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Augus posted:literally the only thing I remember about Ang Lee’s Hulk is this one perfect scene Now I need to watch this again. I giggle everytime I watch that scene, just imagining ang lee stomping around the set. You can see the king kong influence.
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I haven't seen that movie in a decade and a half and drat if that clip isn't 2000s as hell. The Atheon logo looks like something you'd see on a sound card box or something.
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Timeless Appeal posted:I feel like there has been a lot of critique over the years about Iron Man 2's court scene in particular. Oh for sure, I think there is legitimate criticism in the depiction of persians, even though it is done to make a statement about propaganda and fearmongering. I personally think it's ok as long as there's a purpose to it, after all depiction is not endorsement and all that, but I can understand why it's a controversial choice. But there's a lot of daylight between "yeah this isn't ideal" and "Zack is a fascist that endorses baby murder", which is sadly the position I often see out in the wild SuperMechagodzilla posted:Problematizing things is good. There have been plenty of queer-coded villains over the years (e.g. Willem Dafoe’s Green Goblin). So why does 300 specifically render people uncomfortable? As a Gaylord, i can attest that Xerxes was absolutely successful in being seductive. Mantis42 posted:To be fair to the Spartans, while their society is a catastrophe they still have a right to defend themselves against imperialist aggression. Everyone's favorite trash racoons philosopher Zizek drew parallels between the Spartans and the taliban iirc, with the persians being the imperialist americans Bootleg Trunks posted:Car-An, no! Lmao
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Just lmao if you think that wasn't live rounds
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Blood Boils posted:Ah I see. I've only read a handful of OG Hulk by Lee/Kirby. Do they ever explain why he wears purple pants? I know it was the 60s, but Banner doesn't seem very hip There's a comic with a flashback to Banner in college buying fifteen identical pairs of purple trousers and telling his roommate that he doesn't want to waste time deciding what to wear in the mornings, and that he's analysed fashion trends and purple is the optimum choice for this.
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Mantis42 posted:To be fair to the Spartans, while their society is a catastrophe they still have a right to defend themselves against imperialist aggression. My white hot take is that both Leonidas and Xerxes are bad guys Like all or at least most kings, come to think about it "This fantastical ancient despot is supposed to be real and cool and my friend, but instead he's a terrible hot naked raving lunatic. Zack Snyder stole my cool friend!" Party Boat posted:There's a comic with a flashback to Banner in college buying fifteen identical pairs of purple trousers and telling his roommate that he doesn't want to waste time deciding what to wear in the mornings, and that he's analysed fashion trends and purple is the optimum choice for this. That does sound like a dr Jekyll solution
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McCloud posted:Everyone's favorite trash racoons philosopher Zizek drew parallels between the Spartans and the taliban iirc, with the persians being the imperialist americans Pretty much, yeah. The Spartans are heavily militarised society of conservative religious fanatics who believe wholeheartedly in martyrdom ('Come back with your shield, or on it'), using terrain advantages to defend against a much larger, technologically advanced, diverse and decadent empire who believes themselves in the right to conquer their lessers. And I think some of the comics have dealt with the idea that Bruce Banner had rage issues long before he became the Hulk, especially since most related gamma-powered supers (even She-Hulk, who has more or less the exact same powerset) usually don't function the same way. Complete with sometimes the depiction of basically a Hulk out rage fit before he was the Hulk. There's the implication that the Hulk came into being specifically because of Banner's personality and issues.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I'm not going to engage with you further because this is a dumb RLM meme that just got posted yesterday and became "common knowledge" in about 10 minutes. If you're going to let 3 mediocre white guys give your opinions to you at least pick a better trio. For the record, this was a like, a 20 second off-the-cuff mention in an hour-ten long video largely praising the film in comparison to the Whedon cut. That said, I do feel like there is a theme of aloof gods & heroes among faceless/helpless people in DC works, which a lot of great writers & artists have leaned into for some of the label's best stories. Kingdom Come (and Alex Ross art in general) springs to mind, personally. I think Snyder's done a good job capturing that in his trilogy, which might color Jay Bauman's view of Zack Snyder, because I'm fairly sure he has not picked up a single comic book. It's not a bad thing, but there's definitely people who prefer more human & relatable superheroes (see: how Marvel started eating DC's lunch in the first place with Sticky Teen and Radiated Family) who probably aren't interested in how dour and serious the DCCU can be. And it seems like Zack Snyder agreed or was sympathetic to their complaints, seeing as Justice League has slightly more levity, and is slightly more approachable. Sodomy Hussein posted:I think people hate Snyder fandom more than they hate Snyder, because the fandom tends to look down its nose at people who like similar movies, as if watching Zack Snyder movies makes them intelligentsia. Snyder fans can be pretty obnoxious. I was reading CineD around the time of BvS' release, and the Movie Fight and 'NOT MY SUPERMAN' memes were extraordinarily tedious and less than a quarter as clever or compelling as the posters thought they were being. Even now, vindicated by the arrival of the Snyder DC Movie Everyone Thinks Is Good, there's a lot of salty dorks. I think Snyder's pretty easy to misunderstand as well. I dont think you can really make 300 and Sucker Punch (and express interest in a Fountainhead film), on top of coming from a Christian Scientist family, and be surprised that some people think you're a conservative wingnut. Hell, there are people who take Verhoeven films at face value. Luckily, in the wake of Justice League underperforming, the revelations of how much Snyder was hosed with, Whedon's fall-from-grace, and his extreme enthusiasm over getting to finish his movie, he's taken up more of an underdog role that makes it easier for people to root for his success..... Timeless Appeal posted:I mean not much of a surprise as Snyder openly supported Biden. Man, he sure does have a habit of gravitating towards sex pests and warmongers though 
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Is there an HBO Max thread or something to ask about problems? like everything I play now maximizes to half my monitor in both firefox and chrome. I know this is not the place but I figure it's a pretty active thread someone has got to have my issue, although google says otherwise. 
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I was listening to the We Hate Movies Podcast, and they didn't make this joke, but when talking about the Iris/Flash scene I realized with the hotdogs: It's a Meat Cute Snyder redeemed
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4000 Dollar Suit posted:Is there an HBO Max thread or something to ask about problems? like everything I play now maximizes to half my monitor in both firefox and chrome. This has happened to me a few times; just un-fullscreen the video and fullscreen it again.
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4000 Dollar Suit posted:Is there an HBO Max thread or something to ask about problems? like everything I play now maximizes to half my monitor in both firefox and chrome. Mine was window boxed until i held ctrl and used the mouse wheel to zoom in.
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Even so, 300 is viewed as significantly homoerotic in general just due to the number of oily muscly men being glamorized and bonding together over war and death. A movie having fairly homoerotic heroes fighting a slightly more homoerotic villain is an unclear juxtaposition as far as what "messaging" this is actually conveying.
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This being the movie shot five years ago makes Cavill a bit distracting because he looks like CW superman compared to his absolute brickhouse stature in the WitcherBlood Boils posted:Ah I see. I've only read a handful of OG Hulk by Lee/Kirby. Do they ever explain why he wears purple pants? I know it was the 60s, but Banner doesn't seem very hip Green+Purple is a classic color combo for a villain in Marvel comics so it underlines the heroic/menace nature of the character And also limited palette
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fatherboxx posted:This being the movie shot five years ago makes Cavill a bit distracting because he looks like CW superman compared to his absolute brickhouse stature in the Witcher
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fatherboxx posted:This being the movie shot five years ago makes Cavill a bit distracting because he looks like CW superman compared to his absolute brickhouse stature in the Witcher It’s a function of printing old comics, right? That’s why most heroes wear primary colors?
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