Zack Snyders Justice League: It's time.

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The Saddest Rhino: Apr 29, 2009; Put it all together.
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Another originally grey character Beast was turned blue when they found out it was cheaper to print blue than grey

E: wow nice snipe. Uh. I appreciate how the movie isn't super saturated like the whedon cut that made me feel like I'm watching a movie on Samsung galaxy s7 the whole time

# ? Mar 24, 2021 14:33

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 07:56

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Might then be a happy accident that it ties in with his whole gamma radiation thing.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 14:34

McSpanky: Jan 16, 2005

Neurolimal posted:

Snyder fans can be pretty obnoxious.

Actually, the opposite reading is true.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 15:01

Augus: Mar 9, 2015

There are obnoxious Snyder fans and also obnoxious Snyder anti-fans. Such is life.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 15:03

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

The whole furor over SnyderBros is in fact similar to the centrist hatred for "Bernie Bros." The obviously crazy idea that a bunch of randos on social media are in cahoots, and that the person they're a fan of could possibly be responsible for them and their beliefs.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

After like 8 years I still don't know what makes people so angry about Snyder.

It's because they were deliberately taught wrong, as a joke. The MCU conditioned people to see expository dialogue and soy bants as the actual storytelling. So along comes Snyder with a movie where a character is cool and capable, and also bad. But South Park's Mr. Mackey isn't there saying "Exposing children to die is bad, mmkay?" So they think Snyder is a fascist who endorses fascist things.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 15:12

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Augus posted:

There are obnoxious Snyder fans and also obnoxious Snyder anti-fans. Such is life.

If only Darkseid found the Anti-Fan Equation.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 15:17

Kharn_The_Betrayer: Nov 15, 2013; Fun Shoe

Augus posted:

There are obnoxious Snyder fans and also obnoxious Snyder anti-fans. Such is life.

heroes on both sides and so on and so on...

# ? Mar 24, 2021 15:22

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Kharn_The_Betrayer posted:

heroes on both sides and so on and so on...

# ? Mar 24, 2021 15:25

RBA Starblade: Apr 28, 2008; Going Home.

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Halloween Jack posted:

The whole furor over SnyderBros is in fact similar to the centrist hatred for "Bernie Bros." The obviously crazy idea that a bunch of randos on social media are in cahoots, and that the person they're a fan of could possibly be responsible for them and their beliefs.

Wasn't the prototypical Bernie Bro a cspammer who got perma'd recently?

# ? Mar 24, 2021 15:35

Neo Rasa: Mar 8, 2007; Everyone should play DUKE games.

Augus posted:

There are obnoxious Snyder fans and also obnoxious Snyder anti-fans. Such is life.

Truly you have mastered the anti-fan equation.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 15:35

KVeezy3: Aug 18, 2005; Airport Music for Black Folk

Is The Flash being Jewish a Snyder change?

# ? Mar 24, 2021 15:42

Neurolimal: Nov 3, 2012

RBA Starblade posted:

Wasn't the prototypical Bernie Bro a cspammer who got perma'd recently?

Taintrunner, guy who obnoxiously attacked anyone he thought was insufficiently leftist, not only turned out to be a sex pest but also crashed at Sady Doyle's place, who wrote the original Bernie Bro article. It's extremely possible that he was the inspiration.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 15:42

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

RBA Starblade posted:

Wasn't the prototypical Bernie Bro a cspammer who got perma'd recently?

The prototypical Bernie Bro was an Obama Boy in 2008.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 15:45

fatherboxx: Mar 25, 2013

Neurolimal posted:

Taintrunner, guy who obnoxiously attacked anyone he thought was insufficiently leftist, not only turned out to be a sex pest but also crashed at Sady Doyle's place, who wrote the original Bernie Bro article. It's extremely possible that he was the inspiration.

Lmao I wondered why I havent seen that insane dude again going berserk on people in GB thread lately

# ? Mar 24, 2021 15:50

RBA Starblade: Apr 28, 2008; Going Home.

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Neurolimal posted:

Taintrunner, guy who obnoxiously attacked anyone he thought was insufficiently leftist, not only turned out to be a sex pest but also crashed at Sady Doyle's place, who wrote the original Bernie Bro article. It's extremely possible that he was the inspiration.

And people say SA isn't relevant anymore :v:

# ? Mar 24, 2021 15:51

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Ghost Leviathan posted:

The prototypical Bernie Bro was an Obama Boy in 2008.

Snyder haters in 2008:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGGq82AgbF4

:haw:

# ? Mar 24, 2021 15:52

Detective No. 27: Jun 7, 2006

KVeezy3 posted:

Is The Flash being Jewish a Snyder change?

Ezra Miller is Jewish so it's probably something he suggested himself.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 15:53

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

RE: Anti-Life Equation, it�s probably a reference to Kant and his assertion that, if we were to directly access the noumenal domain:

Well, it originally got its name because it has the power to rob people of free will, leaving them sentient and intelligent, but unable to exist for anything but the will of Darkseid. It's pretty ripe for a Zizekian interpretation.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 15:54

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD: Sep 14, 2007; everything is yours

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

RE: Anti-Life Equation, it�s probably a reference to Kant and his assertion that, if we were to directly access the noumenal domain:

�God and eternity in their awful majesty would stand unceasingly before our eyes. � Thus most actions conforming to the law would be done from fear, few would be done from hope, none from duty. The moral worth of actions, on which alone the worth of the person and even of the world depends in the eyes of supreme wisdom, would not exist at all. The conduct of man, so long as his nature remained as it is now, would be changed into mere mechanism, where, as in a puppet show, everything would gesticulate well but no life would be found in the figures.�

New Gods references Hesse, Omar Khayamm, Neitschze, etc. No probably about it here, it was Kirby's attempt at comic book philosophy.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 15:58

KVeezy3: Aug 18, 2005; Airport Music for Black Folk

Detective No. 27 posted:

Ezra Miller is Jewish so it's probably something he suggested himself.

For sure; but this is comic book movie world, where Jessica Alba has to don blue eyes and blond hair to preserve the sanctity of race canon.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 15:59

Detective No. 27: Jun 7, 2006

KVeezy3 posted:

For sure; but this is comic book movie world, where Jessica Alba has to don blue eyes and blond hair to preserve the sanctity of race canon.

Good thing the Justice League director has a track record of getting and using input from his cast members. I heard Flash being into Yoga was Miller's idea and Snyder loved it.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 16:15

FilthyImp: Sep 30, 2002; Anime Deviant

Detective No. 27 posted:

Good thing the Justice League director has a track record of getting and using input from his cast members. I heard Flash being into Yoga was Miller's idea and Snyder loved it.

There's probably a fun Ultimates-style Earth-7 project where Ultimate Flash is like Ultimate Thor, crunchy new age hippie into "vibrational resonance" and "healing crystal wavelengths" because that's how he sees his powerset and the world.

Yoga Flash was great because of course the focus/stretching would help a speedster.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 16:24

KVeezy3: Aug 18, 2005; Airport Music for Black Folk

Detective No. 27 posted:

Good thing the Justice League director has a track record of getting and using input from his cast members. I heard Flash being into Yoga was Miller's idea and Snyder loved it.

My favorite anecdote that shows Snyder's level of collaboration with his actors was for Sucker Punch, with Emily Browning who had no singing experience prior, and ended up singing vocals on multiple tracks that play over the film.

�It actually began because Zack and I were talking about our favourite music and I told him that the Smiths was my favourite band. And he said, �Oh, I know Morrissey.� I was like, �Uh, what?�Then a couple of weeks later he said, �I have the rights to the Smiths song for the soundtrack.� I said, �That�s amazing.� He said, �Yeah, do you wanna sing it?� I said, �Uh, okay.� It�s terrifying but how can I turn that down, you know, if Zack believes in me enough to ask me if I wanted to do it and the fact that it�s a Morrissey song, it�s kind of like I couldn�t really say no.�
- Emily Browning

Another example of Zack's consent issues.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 16:29

Sir Kodiak: May 14, 2007

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

The football game is a very good example of using slow motion to convey feelings of elation. The character is all but literally floating towards the endzone, while an actual-speed version of the same events would be like five seconds of a dude falling over.

Like Bruce says, it's in his nature.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 16:35

Detective No. 27: Jun 7, 2006

KVeezy3 posted:

My favorite anecdote that shows Snyder's level of collaboration with his actors was for Sucker Punch, with Emily Browning who had no singing experience prior, and ended up singing vocals on multiple tracks that play over the film.

“It actually began because Zack and I were talking about our favourite music and I told him that the Smiths was my favourite band. And he said, ‘Oh, I know Morrissey.’ I was like, ‘Uh, what?…Then a couple of weeks later he said, ‘I have the rights to the Smiths song for the soundtrack.’ I said, ‘That’s amazing.’ He said, ‘Yeah, do you wanna sing it?’ I said, ‘Uh, okay.’ It’s terrifying but how can I turn that down, you know, if Zack believes in me enough to ask me if I wanted to do it and the fact that it’s a Morrissey song, it’s kind of like I couldn’t really say no.”
- Emily Browning

Another example of Zack's consent issues.

That's amazing. I'm due for a rewatch of Sucker Punch.

Sir Kodiak posted:

Like Bruce says, it's in his nature.

Thinking about it, the entire plan to stop the unification was to get Flash to push Cyborg into the endzone.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 16:42

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Neurolimal posted:

Taintrunner, guy who obnoxiously attacked anyone he thought was insufficiently leftist, not only turned out to be a sex pest but also crashed at Sady Doyle's place, who wrote the original Bernie Bro article. It's extremely possible that he was the inspiration.

hahahaha wtf

# ? Mar 24, 2021 16:47

Tuxedo Catfish: Mar 17, 2007; You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Neurolimal posted:

Taintrunner, guy who obnoxiously attacked anyone he thought was insufficiently leftist, not only turned out to be a sex pest but also crashed at Sady Doyle's place, who wrote the original Bernie Bro article. It's extremely possible that he was the inspiration.

lmao what the gently caress

# ? Mar 24, 2021 16:56

Gatts: Jan 2, 2001; Goodnight Moon; Nap Ghost

That�s Amazing.

Although as stated by Ghost Leviathan, the Bernie Bro is the same sort of narrative Hillary folks like to put out to discredit her opponents like she did with Obama.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:02

AccountSupervisor: Aug 3, 2004; I am greatful for my loop pedal

Neurolimal posted:

Taintrunner, guy who obnoxiously attacked anyone he thought was insufficiently leftist, not only turned out to be a sex pest but also crashed at Sady Doyle's place, who wrote the original Bernie Bro article. It's extremely possible that he was the inspiration.

Fun fact: Jeff aka Taintrunner had his girlfriends parents paying his rent in college.

This girlfriends dad was the writer of Steven Segals "On Deadly Ground".

Im still blown away he ended up both infamous in my real life AND here.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:17

Pirate Jet: May 2, 2010

Neurolimal posted:

Taintrunner, guy who obnoxiously attacked anyone he thought was insufficiently leftist, not only turned out to be a sex pest but also crashed at Sady Doyle's place, who wrote the original Bernie Bro article. It's extremely possible that he was the inspiration.

The reason Taintrunner got perma�d, specifically, is because he was found to be a re-reg of Jefferoo, a goon who was perma�d for accusations of sexual assault.

This is relevant to CineD insomuch as we may remember him as having written one of the most embarrassing posts in the sub forum�s history, where he tried to defend Pacific Rim against SMG by claiming it was a movie �by the doers, for the doers.�

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:23

Timeless Appeal: May 28, 2006

Like the Bernie Bro Narrative, SnyderBro narrative can be used as a bludgeon, specifically to to the actual person who is at the center of things and the material of their things.

But it's silly to pretend that there's nothing to it when Snyder fans have driven women in power off of the internet and many reporters/reviewers have expressed that they're experiencing death threats or just continued harassment for their most basic responses. Like is that representative of most Snyder fans, nah? And it doesn't make his movies bad (Other things do that).

But as trans person who works in education who has worked with multiple real-life Bernie Bros who I've seen act horrifically to me or my coworkers of color, poo poo's real. And it sucks when people are like, 'There's nothing to it." Because there is. Not trying to shift the conversation to Bernie, but saying it does suck when you're told something you do experience is a lie.

But it doesn't make Snyder bad or Bernie Sanders bad. We should have conversations on the merit of them and their work. There are just a lot of sad and mediocre people, mostly white dudes, who will glomp on things as an excuse to justify being an rear end in a top hat.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:25

Julius CSAR: Oct 3, 2007; by sebmojo

So I�ve trying to read the thread since the 15th but drat it moved FAST lol

Went to a friend�s house on Friday and smoked a joint and watched it.

Pretty much what I always imagined it would be: incredible

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:34

Chairman Capone: Dec 17, 2008

What women in power have Snyder Bros driven off the internet?

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:36

Guy A. Person: May 23, 2003

Timeless Appeal posted:

Like the Bernie Bro Narrative, SnyderBro narrative can be used as a bludgeon, specifically to to the actual person who is at the center of things and the material of their things.

But it's silly to pretend that there's nothing to it when Snyder fans have driven women in power off of the internet and many reporters/reviewers have expressed that they're experiencing death threats or just continued harassment for their most basic responses. Like is that representative of most Snyder fans, nah? And it doesn't make his movies bad (Other things do that).

But as trans person who works in education who has worked with multiple real-life Bernie Bros who I've seen act horrifically to me or my coworkers of color, poo poo's real. And it sucks when people are like, 'There's nothing to it." Because there is. Not trying to shift the conversation to Bernie, but saying it does suck when you're told something you do experience is a lie.

But it doesn't make Snyder bad or Bernie Sanders bad. We should have conversations on the merit of them and their work. There are just a lot of sad and mediocre people, mostly white dudes, who will glomp on things as an excuse to justify being an rear end in a top hat.

Yeah this is a good post/point, I think what we often react to here is that idea that like, this behavior is 1) exclusive to these specific groups and 2) a direct result of the central figure's message/philosophy/ideology and not group dynamics in the 21st century on social media. Like I would never want to diminish anyone's experience of being harassed/threatened but it also sucks when it's assumed that that behavior is a direct (and inevitable) result of liking one specific person, and you're basically already suspect for being in that group (especially in the case of women/POC/LGBTQ people in that community who are made to feel invisible by this narrative).

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:38

Bongo Bill: Jan 17, 2012

I have no difficulty believing that somebody who behaves very badly openly enjoyed something.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:42

Chairman Capone: Dec 17, 2008

Here's a new hot take: The Snyder Cut is bad because it didn't do enough to get Amy Adams fans energized to campaign for her to get an Oscar for it (?): https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/justice-league-amy-adams

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:44

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

The issue is that because of the nature of social media, you can start with a premise like "I bet Jeremy Renner fans think Cambodians are terrible drivers," find at least one person online who fits the description, and smear whatever group you don't like. Centrist media networks did this to Sanders constantly, and there's a whole ecosystem of right-wing outlets like Heat Street publishing enraged articles about a single tweet that they found.

A common observation of the Snyder Cut phenomenon is "You won! Why are you still arguing?" But victory isn't getting the movie, it's not having your tastes associated with Gamergate and such for no real reason.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:47

Equeen: Oct 29, 2011; Pole dance~

What a useless, whiny article lol. All the hardcore Snyder fans I know adore Amy Adams.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:48

Guy A. Person: May 23, 2003

Chairman Capone posted:

Here's a new hot take: The Snyder Cut is bad because it didn't do enough to get Amy Adams fans energized to campaign for her to get an Oscar for it (?): https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/justice-league-amy-adams

lmao holy hell so the argument is Snyder is a monster for...casting a good actress in his film and having her be an important and central role?

This is literally an insane position to take

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The Notorious ZSB: Apr 19, 2004; I SAID WE'RE NOT GONNA BE FUCKING SUCK THIS YEAR!!!

Chairman Capone posted:

Here's a new hot take: The Snyder Cut is bad because it didn't do enough to get Amy Adams fans energized to campaign for her to get an Oscar for it (?): https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/justice-league-amy-adams

This is a turbo dumb take.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:51

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