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vyst posted:Let me sell you a gently cursed Microsoft Dynamics CRM TontoCorazon posted:Oh gently caress siebel. My workplace uses both and I used to be a "Siebel Developer", lmao. Trying to force Siebel to do poo poo it wasn't really designed for was GREAT.
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SkyeAuroline posted:Hello. Proposal for any database software designers in the thread: The thread has proven that marketing can’t be trusted with admin rights on the DB server. Closed: WORKING WONTFIX
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Mar 25, 2021 14:34
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marketing people shouldnt be allowed to interface with any software whatsoever
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Mar 25, 2021 15:17
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goatsestretchgoals posted:The thread has proven that marketing can’t be trusted with admin rights on the DB server. A) not marketing, B) I don't even want admin rights. We have a tool for entering and updating entries one at a time. I have access to that and use it 8 hours a day (minus the time I'm on our other database). We have a second tool that can only update but can do multiple at a time, and logs changes made so there's plenty of oversight. I have no access to that one despite working on thousands of entries at a time. IT even tried to bullshit that requests had to go through another department not in this part of the process, just to keep from having to do their jobs and even authorize an update themselves. (Other department pushed back on that, but still no access for me.) Also: "basic Excel knowledge required" on the position listing the person they hired, to me, today (the same one who doesn't understand keyboard shortcuts to copy/paste after being shown them): "how do you select a range of cells" please tell me how we find these people and how they manage to get paid while so unqualified, I'd love to manage the same 
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Mar 25, 2021 15:20
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flashbacks to the intern we hired to do blog posts that had to be explained what ctrl-c and ctrl-v do and how to use them effectively
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Mar 25, 2021 15:30
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Navision makes me want to die, please god give me salesforce. Dumb things my work does: Going from an environment with no limitations on admin rights, to every new machine that comes out of our desk having hardcore restricted admin rights, WITHOUT telling the IT helpdesk when it was happening. While the right thing to do for security (my face when I realized they had admin rights at all to begin with was something to behold), it is an ABSOLUTE ROYAL PAIN IN MY rear end because I have to be the one who gets to tell Joe Moron who spilled coke on his keyboard that no he cannot install steam on his work laptop anymore, and no I'm not entering my credentials for you to install it.
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Mar 25, 2021 15:50
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SkyeAuroline posted:A) not marketing, B) I don't even want admin rights. We have a tool for entering and updating entries one at a time. I have access to that and use it 8 hours a day (minus the time I'm on our other database). We have a second tool that can only update but can do multiple at a time, and logs changes made so there's plenty of oversight. I have no access to that one despite working on thousands of entries at a time. Regarding basic Excel knowledge I remember in the Corporate megathread in BFC someone mentioned it's ultra-common for resumes to claim expertise in Gmail, Word, Excel, etc without a second thought. But for a role really requiring Excel knowledge they'd sit people down and ask them to set up a basic pivot table and many applicants would panic or claim trickery.
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Mar 25, 2021 16:01
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SkyeAuroline posted:Hello. Proposal for any database software designers in the thread: One of the first things I did as a software analyst was to create a way for users to dump files on google drive and have them validated and applied to certain tables, safely in the database.  vyst posted:Yeah but on the other hand Salesforce sucks balls in most circumstances Salesforce lives and dies by your organization's ability to organize and plan. Which makes perfect sense as to why it can become a huge mess, fast. That said, it's a pretty sweet framework from a development perspective but the naming conventions for everything suck balls__c.
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Mar 25, 2021 16:04
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Regarding basic Excel knowledge I remember in the Corporate megathread in BFC someone mentioned it's ultra-common for resumes to claim expertise in Gmail, Word, Excel, etc without a second thought. But for a role really requiring Excel knowledge they'd sit people down and ask them to set up a basic pivot table and many applicants would panic or claim trickery. I'll be honest, I barely ever work with them so it might trip me up a little. Then again, there's a pivot table tool now. Unfortunately everyone using excel nowadays is using it as shoddy database software, including us in the dumbest possible form.
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Mar 25, 2021 16:08
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thathonkey posted:marketing people shouldnt be allowed 
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Mar 25, 2021 16:11
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I hate marketing people so much. Never has someone so useless had such an inflated sense of self worth. And they treat literally every other department like drooling morons
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Mar 25, 2021 16:13
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Regarding basic Excel knowledge I remember in the Corporate megathread in BFC someone mentioned it's ultra-common for resumes to claim expertise in Gmail, Word, Excel, etc without a second thought. But for a role really requiring Excel knowledge they'd sit people down and ask them to set up a basic pivot table and many applicants would panic or claim trickery. It's a general acumen interview for entry level functional computer touching so you might be surprised to hear the excel question is never the make or break point lol.
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poisonpill posted:I hate marketing people so much. Never has someone so useless had such an inflated sense of self worth. And they treat literally every other department like drooling morons The more I lie and gently caress up the bigger my commissions! Such a stupid incentive model.
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Mar 25, 2021 16:29
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vyst posted:Yeah but on the other hand Salesforce sucks balls in most circumstances Much like working at a job and slaving away 40 hours a week
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Mar 25, 2021 16:40
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blight rhino posted:
Former coworker used to say "good morning" no matter the time of day. He'd pass by me around 2pm, "Good morning!" I respond with "Good afternoon." Then he would stop, turn towards me and repeat in a lower voice "Good morning."
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Mar 25, 2021 16:43
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Machai posted:Former coworker used to say "good morning" no matter the time of day. Gonna start doing that to my community partners.
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Mar 25, 2021 16:46
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I need to sound off a bit more on the interview script we use to give technical interviews to entry level functional people. I have an inflated opinion of half of it because I wrote it and this is the half that generally makes sure you understand how to look at a business and spit out the processes they use and make sure you aren't a walking technical disaster. If you clear these 2 bars you are a top 1% new grad consultant. The other half is the ungodly corporatisms like "how you doin in Excel" or me dead rear end asking supply chain management undergrads "what is the Cloud?" Machai posted:Former coworker used to say "good morning" no matter the time of day.
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Mar 25, 2021 16:49
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I do shift work (front facing) so if I am on morning shift it is always good morning, dayshift always good afternoon, graveyard always good evening.
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zedprime posted:I need to sound off a bit more on the interview script we use to give technical interviews to entry level functional people. I have an inflated opinion of half of it because I wrote it and this is the half that generally makes sure you understand how to look at a business and spit out the processes they use and make sure you aren't a walking technical disaster. If you clear these 2 bars you are a top 1% new grad consultant. "What's the difference between Java and Javascript?" "Javascript is the scripting version of Java  "
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Mar 25, 2021 16:55
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exmachina posted:graveyard always good evening. Said in a Vincent Price voice.
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Mar 25, 2021 17:09
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Machai posted:Former coworker used to say "good morning" no matter the time of day. Sounds like my manager with calling every day Monday. I think he and a coworker have had that exact exchange except with days swapped in.
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Mar 25, 2021 17:14
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Machai posted:Former coworker used to say "good morning" no matter the time of day. Psychopath
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Mar 25, 2021 17:36
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The good news is that it's my company's Xth anniversary today and they're sending me (and all the other employees) pizza. So that's pretty cool. The bad news is that I don't know what toppings they picked.
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Mar 25, 2021 18:33
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Machai posted:Former coworker used to say "good morning" no matter the time of day. That dude rules, lmao.
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Inzombiac posted:That dude rules, lmao.
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Mar 25, 2021 18:58
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zedprime posted:asking supply chain management undergrads "what is the Cloud?" I'm curious what answer you're looking for, because I feel like the simple yet accurate answer of "your stuff on other people's computers" wouldn't go over well for you.
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Mar 25, 2021 19:24
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Volmarias posted:I'm curious what answer you're looking for, because I feel like the simple yet accurate answer of "your stuff on other people's computers" wouldn't go over well for you. You take a huge rip of your vape and blow a mad big cloud in their face.
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Mar 25, 2021 19:26
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Volmarias posted:I'm curious what answer you're looking for, because I feel like the simple yet accurate answer of "your stuff on other people's computers" wouldn't go over well for you. that is absolutely the answer i would want
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It's a pretty good answer. I would also accept "bullshit marketing".
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We get that cloud poo poo so much, courses on it, part of the induction every new employee gets is a 2 hour presentation on how the company uses cloud computing, even if they are just like, a phone jockey, its fuckin weird and obsessive and pointless.
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Mar 25, 2021 21:55
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Volmarias posted:I'm curious what answer you're looking for, because I feel like the simple yet accurate answer of "your stuff on other people's computers" wouldn't go over well for you. Full marks is being able to explain the advertising grift.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Regarding basic Excel knowledge I remember in the Corporate megathread in BFC someone mentioned it's ultra-common for resumes to claim expertise in Gmail, Word, Excel, etc without a second thought. But for a role really requiring Excel knowledge they'd sit people down and ask them to set up a basic pivot table and many applicants would panic or claim trickery. my last job sent me an excel aptitude test, which of course means tab out and google what you don't know. so naturally i aced it. a couple weeks in my boss comes over to ask me to vlookup some data, i said sure, and when he came back because he forgot to tell me something he saw me googling "excel 365 vlookup" and pulled me in another room to scold me since I was supposed to know these things my "dude it's been a couple years and if you give me 5 minutes with google i'll be fine" amazed him, like people using google to learn tech poo poo they didn't know was some mystical skill passed down throughout the ages i havent touched quicken in five years but I drat sure put it on my resume. if i get a gotcha question on something i don't know a "i'm not sure but give me five minutes with google and i'll figure it out" usually gets an appreciative nod for honesty
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Critical posted:my last job sent me an excel aptitude test, which of course means tab out and google what you don't know. so naturally i aced it. Yeah this was always a very well received response when I was interviewing people. Absolutely no one expects you to retain so much information considering how many different technologies / frameworks / etc your average engineer needs to know, so as long as you know enough to know what questions to ask Google, that's good enough for me e. The opposite type of people are a very bad sign, the type who will get hung up for a week on something that could be solved with that 5 mins of googling or asking the person next to you. I understand this though, too well. There are really bad office environments where that would be seen as a sign of weakness / ignorance and held against you, and I can see why people would react that way. I try to give hints during the interview that we aren't that way, that the leads interviewing you right now spend a lot of time looking stuff up too. We're not omnipotent and don't expect our candidates to be, either!
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I have another question that I genuinely like, it's basically how do you write about or do something completely new to you. Basically looking at how you research stuff. Answering about well tread bullshit is a valid answer, and some of the techier applicants know that and explain how you google random rear end tech poo poo and get a good answer and that's full marks. If you're dancing around googling poo poo but fully put out the subtext that you google poo poo that's average marks. "Does killer rear end research in technical things cause I did real supply chain work or post grad research at some point" is also average marks because you generally figure out how to google real fast. "Ask other people" unlike maybe other social jobs is low marks because if you ask people bullshit that is the worst sort of dead weight in consulting.
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zedprime posted:I have another question that I genuinely like, it's basically how do you write about or do something completely new to you. Basically looking at how you research stuff. Answering about well tread bullshit is a valid answer, and some of the techier applicants know that and explain how you google random rear end tech poo poo and get a good answer and that's full marks. If you're dancing around googling poo poo but fully put out the subtext that you google poo poo that's average marks. "Does killer rear end research in technical things cause I did real supply chain work or post grad research at some point" is also average marks because you generally figure out how to google real fast. "Ask other people" unlike maybe other social jobs is low marks because if you ask people bullshit that is the worst sort of dead weight in consulting. Yeah absolutely. That's a great question and one I really like people answering that way. It's interesting to see peoples' thought processes and how they approach new things, but "I'd google it" or leverage various training systems (pluralsight, etc) is 5 stars to me. When it's in house stuff, then "track down documentation, as well as meet the SME and key stakeholders and get familiar with them" is good too, depending on the system.
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If you want your mind to touch the void read the wiki article on on 90's version of The Cloud, Enterprise Software
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Enterprise software, also known as enterprise application software (EAS), is computer software used to satisfy the needs of an organization rather than individual users. lmao
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For when the needs of the enterprise outweigh the needs of the few, or of the one.
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vyst posted:Let me sell you a gently cursed Microsoft Dynamics CRM Dynamics CRM is honestly the worst product I've ever worked with. It's probably fine for like just being a simple CRM but every usage of it I've seen was a high customized hack job trying to be this much much more complex system than it could reasonably handle. Combine that with typical corporate whiplash and poor decision making and I just hate it. Also one of the places we had a seemingly nonsense issue and when it got escalated up the chain high enough we were essentially told that it suffers some kind of weird code decay in customized solutions where it can essentially break itself. I just hate it. Worst part is that most other developers also hate working with it, so it can actually pay really good in some places, but I'd have to hate myself to ever work with it again on purpose.
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Critical posted:a couple weeks in my boss comes over to ask me to vlookup some data, i said sure, and when he came back because he forgot to tell me something he saw me googling "excel 365 vlookup" and pulled me in another room to scold me since I was supposed to know these things VLOOKUP is a prime example because as-implemented it's quite quirky and you're probably going to get a couple of weird results until you google it and re-familiarise yourself with its edge cases.
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