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NO COMIC SPOILER ZONE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bfAVpuko5o Based on the comic book which ran from 2003-2017 Invincible is an hour long animated action series on Amazon Prime. The series follows teenager Mark Grayson who is the son of the superhero Omni-Man (think mustache Superman) as he comes into his own powers and becomes a superhero. Just a head's up, the comic could be super violent and trailers definitely made it seem like it is following in the same vein. The show will be following new standard Amazon Prime release schedule starting with 3 episodes and moving to weekly. (some of the) Cast: Steven Yeun as Mark Grayson / Invincible J. K. Simmons as Nolan Grayson / Omni-Man Sandra Oh as Debbie Grayson Mark Hamill as Art Rosebaum Seth Rogen as Allen the Alien Gillian Jacobs as Samantha Eve Wilkins / Atom Eve Like the thread title/top post states I would like this thread to avoid comic spoilers.
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Mar 25, 2021 23:47
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First three episodes up now.
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Mar 26, 2021 01:07
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I was expecting these to be 30 min EPs. Be interesting to see what they burn through given the EP count and time frame.
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Mar 26, 2021 04:03
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Well guess they aren’t going to shy away from the gore
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Mar 26, 2021 04:17
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.Z. posted:Well guess they aren’t going to shy away from the gore Yeah, full on exploding a guy's head was definitely not something I expected to see.
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Mar 26, 2021 04:20
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Watched the first two episodes tonight. This was my favorite comic in high school and college, and right now is perfectly itching my nostalgia button. Story is close to the comics but doesn’t seem likes it’s worried about stepping away and choosing its own beats here and there. Great voice acting, and I’m excited with how many characters they’re introducing, and knowing in my head where they might be in a season or two. Designs from the comics look great onscreen, and the animation is better than it looked in the trailer. Some really fluid sequences. I’m impressed.
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Mar 26, 2021 04:43
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Show seems interesting enough so far. I do like that all the episodes are 40+ minutes. I think the scene at the end of ep1 with Omni-man versus the Guardians should have been shot better? I can't think of a better word. The way he effortlessly destroyed that entire planet but got put into a coma from a few punches really doesn't add up in my head. Or I guess it also goes to show just how powerful the Guardians were, even though it didn't translate that well to the actual fight.
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Mar 26, 2021 10:27
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I'm starting to think that this Omni-Man is not actually that heroic. Just a hunch.
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Mar 26, 2021 14:16
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:
Well, They were the best and strongest superhero team on the planet. Also, based on the beard Omni-man grew while on the other dimension it apparently took him a while to ruin their world.
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Mar 26, 2021 14:48
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I don't think I get this show. It's like a children's cartoon but completely inappropriate for children. I thought it was a children's cartoon until the justice league got murdered. So then I thought, OK, that start was just to lull us into complacency; the real show is going to start now. But no. The next episode we're right back to being a standard kids show - but with way too much violence. Who is this for?
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Mar 26, 2021 15:11
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Tiggum posted:I don't think I get this show. It's like a children's cartoon but completely inappropriate for children. I thought it was a children's cartoon until the justice league got murdered. So then I thought, OK, that start was just to lull us into complacency; the real show is going to start now. But no. The next episode we're right back to being a standard kids show - but with way too much violence. Who is this for? Definitely 100% not for kids. This isn't a spoiler for any of the plot but if it's anything like the comic, the violence / gore is just getting started. To the point that many people criticized the comics for almost turning into gore porn. badjohny fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Mar 26, 2021 |
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Mar 26, 2021 15:14
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badjohny posted:Definitely 100% not for kids. Well obviously.
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Mar 26, 2021 15:17
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Tiggum posted:I don't think I get this show. It's like a children's cartoon but completely inappropriate for children. I thought it was a children's cartoon until the justice league got murdered. So then I thought, OK, that start was just to lull us into complacency; the real show is going to start now. But no. The next episode we're right back to being a standard kids show - but with way too much violence. Who is this for? You’re describing the comic (and the show), Invincible. It is very sincere superheroic storytelling, with kind-hearted and funny characters, that also does not back away from violence and gore. They exist hand in hand here.
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Mar 26, 2021 15:17
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Conrad_Birdie posted:You’re describing the comic (and the show), Invincible. 
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Mar 26, 2021 15:19
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Tiggum posted:Yes. That is what I was doing. Explicitly. And I’m saying you’re not missing the point of the show. That’s what they’re going for.
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Mar 26, 2021 15:31
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Conrad_Birdie posted:And I’m saying you’re not missing the point of the show. That’s what they’re going for. I clearly am though, because I don't know why they would do that - or who would want them to? Is it for people who feel embarrassed to watch kids' cartoons so they made one that kids can't watch?
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Mar 26, 2021 15:37
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Tiggum posted:I clearly am though, because I don't know why they would do that - or who would want them to? Is it for people who feel embarrassed to watch kids' cartoons so they made one that kids can't watch? Now it feels like you’re equating cartoons with kids. Animation is a medium to tell a story, any story. It doesn’t have to be any “one” way. And clearly a big theme of the show, three episodes in, is the difference between what Mark thinks being a hero will entail and what it’s like in reality . That disparity is the point. But also hey it’s okay to not like something. The show is telling you what it’s going to be like and it’s cool if that’s not your bag!
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Mar 26, 2021 15:47
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Tiggum posted:I don't think I get this show. It's like a children's cartoon but completely inappropriate for children. I thought it was a children's cartoon until the justice league got murdered. So then I thought, OK, that start was just to lull us into complacency; the real show is going to start now. But no. The next episode we're right back to being a standard kids show - but with way too much violence. Who is this for? This dichotomy is core to the story, as has been said, but I agree with you I have no idea who this is for, except people who are already fans of the comic. I cannot imagine this weird blend of teen superhero/ultraviolence in 45 minute animated chunks being very successful with a larger crowd. They already cancelled The Tick and I would've put more money on that. It seems good TBF, just I have a hard time imagining it lasting very long, but I hope I'm wrong!
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Mar 26, 2021 15:50
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Tiggum posted:I clearly am though, because I don't know why they would do that - or who would want them to? Is it for people who feel embarrassed to watch kids' cartoons so they made one that kids can't watch? There is an entire anime market that is just like this. Cartoons for adults. I mean 30 years ago Fist of the North Star was doing the ultra violent cartoon. This is nothing new. It is not for everyone, but there is definitely a market for it. The comic was pretty popular too from what I remember.
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Mar 26, 2021 15:59
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Hakkesshu posted:This dichotomy is core to the story, as has been said, but I agree with you I have no idea who this is for, except people who are already fans of the comic. I cannot imagine this weird blend of teen superhero/ultraviolence in 45 minute animated chunks being very successful with a larger crowd. They already cancelled The Tick and I would've put more money on that. Tick got cancelled because it was one of the most expensive to make TV shows of all time. Tick's suit was very expensive CGI, and filming on location in New York isn't cheap either.
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Mar 26, 2021 16:04
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Tick got cancelled because it was one of the most expensive to make TV shows of all time. Tick's suit was very expensive CGI, and filming on location in New York isn't cheap either. It also had a weird release schedule, and those hurt shows more than anything else.
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Mar 26, 2021 16:12
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Conrad_Birdie posted:Now it feels like you’re equating cartoons with kids.
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Mar 26, 2021 16:23
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I've read through the full Invincible run a few times, how close are they staying to the source?
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Mar 26, 2021 16:25
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Tiggum posted:It's got nothing to do with it being animated. It's just written like it's for kids. All the school bully, awkward first date, parents trying to relate to their adolescent son (from the perspective of the son), stuff. If you cut the violence you could put it on after school and it would fit right in with Degrassi and Daria (or whatever the modern equivalents are). Again, the dichotomy is the point
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Mar 26, 2021 16:33
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zoux posted:I've read through the full Invincible run a few times, how close are they staying to the source? So far the general story is the same, but some things are moved around or done a little different. I also noticed some characters are different races and genders. So far it is close.
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Mar 26, 2021 16:36
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I've only made it through the first episode. This season is 8 episodes right? How many issues are covered by the first three episodes?
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Mar 26, 2021 18:49
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Who the hell pronounces it "Sea-cil" its "Ses-il".
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Mar 26, 2021 19:15
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Tiggum posted:It's got nothing to do with it being animated. It's just written like it's for kids. All the school bully, awkward first date, parents trying to relate to their adolescent son (from the perspective of the son), stuff. If you cut the violence you could put it on after school and it would fit right in with Degrassi and Daria (or whatever the modern equivalents are). You know Dragonball Z, the really popular series for kid and teenagers? Invincible is that but with superheroes. Honestly gore and stuff isn't that objectionable in animation outside the US. The biggest movie in Asia this year was Demon Slayer which is rated R in the US because of gore, but was made for elementary school students in Japan.
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Mar 26, 2021 19:23
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Sonderval posted:Who the hell pronounces it "Sea-cil" its "Ses-il". Tons of people pronounce it the first way hahaha
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Mar 26, 2021 19:26
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Must be an American thing then I guess?
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Mar 26, 2021 19:43
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Sonderval posted:Must be an American thing then I guess? Yeah that’s the difference
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Mar 26, 2021 19:49
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Tiggum posted:I don't think I get this show. It's like a children's cartoon but completely inappropriate for children. I thought it was a children's cartoon until the justice league got murdered. So then I thought, OK, that start was just to lull us into complacency; the real show is going to start now. But no. The next episode we're right back to being a standard kids show - but with way too much violence. Who is this for? Tiggum posted:It's got nothing to do with it being animated. It's just written like it's for kids. All the school bully, awkward first date, parents trying to relate to their adolescent son (from the perspective of the son), stuff. If you cut the violence you could put it on after school and it would fit right in with Degrassi and Daria (or whatever the modern equivalents are). Weirdly enough this exact question came up in a discussion about the comic back when it first came out. How the comic was sold to me was "Think about Hyperion. Imagine he had a teenage kid and wanted to be a super hero like his dad." I asked whether he meant Squadron Supreme, Squadron Sinister (from Exiles) or Supreme Power Hyperion and he said keep reading. I asked if it was a kiddie comic or a serious comic in tone and was told "drawn like Amazing Spider-Man" but they don't shy away from what happens if Hulk had just his fill of Doc Ock and punched him in the face. Looks like a dini-verse cartoon but I have read most of the comic (my CBR and PB torrent days died before the comic did) and can say that it does get a bit hosed up but not over the top or gratuitous but it does ride that line at times. It handled a variety of storylines and grew as the main character did. Starts off more teen as the Invincible is that awkward teen discovering his powers and place in the world. As he grows up the world gets darker and more complex as that is pretty much how life goes. World doesn't just start to get awful when you hit puberty, it always was. Also: as far as contrast between tone and occasional brutal violence Conrad_Birdie posted:Again, the dichotomy is the point Who does this appeal to? I loved the piss out of it as a tween and teen. Pretty much anyone who grew up with the dini-verse should enjoy the animation. I don't think parents now would let their under 10 kids see it but teens to Millenials should be an easy sell. Stoners? People who like animation but don't have to have the anime style? Adventuretime handled tons of serious subjects while keeping the kiddie style (sorta) animation. Rick and Morty has far more gratuitous gore. I don't think the show's audience is THAT limited. I enjoyed the crap out of it at least. edit: Doom2020! fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Mar 27, 2021 |
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Mar 27, 2021 00:35
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Yeah I loved the comic in high school and own a bunch of the hardback collections from that time. So demographic wise it’ll probably appeal to anyone 13 up whose a fan of superheroes and okay with violence. It’s cartoon violence still, so even the “gory” stuff isn’t much more than a big blood splatter.
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Mar 27, 2021 01:07
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Ccs posted:You know Dragonball Z, the really popular series for kid and teenagers? Ccs posted:So demographic wise it’ll probably appeal to anyone 13 up whose a fan of superheroes and okay with violence. It’s cartoon violence still, so even the “gory” stuff isn’t much more than a big blood splatter.
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Mar 27, 2021 07:50
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Tiggum posted:Not really, no. I've heard of it, obviously, but I've never seen it and I don't know what it's about. I'm genuinely confused as to why you think teens wouldn't be into a hyper-gory animated show about a teenage superhero coming into his powers in a violent universe. Like, I don't understand why you think teen sitcom angst, violence, and animation don't go together unless you just haven't been watching any animation at all since you watched Saturday morning cartoons as a kid. It clearly seems aimed at the older teen to mid-thirties nerd demo that's so in fashion these days, so your confusion is very curious. Cartoons haven't been just for children since, well, ever. And lol at anyone at Amazon giving any shits about ratings for an amazon exclusive animated show that's not aimed at young children.
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Mar 27, 2021 13:27
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pnumoman posted:Cartoons haven't been just for children since, well, ever.
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Mar 27, 2021 13:43
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Its a coming of age story, get over it. Also teens love violent poo poo and don't give a gently caress what it is rated
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Mar 27, 2021 13:48
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Tiggum posted:It has literally nothing to do with it being animated. I'm well aware that there are cartoons that aren't aimed at children. I've watched many of them. As I said before, it's the writing that I'm talking about. It doesn't seem, to me, like it's written for adults. The characters and themes seem designed to appeal to kids (tweens and younger teens), while the violence is likely to get it rated as inappropriate for that age group. I think you're just looking at it from a ratings perspective. Ratings don't matter at all for a streaming service, so if your young teen audience likes it, why not? And it's written for both adults and teens, dunno why you think teen angst/coming of age is only for tweens and younger teens. This is definitely for both teens and adults, despite your thoughts on ratings that have no bearing on the show anyway.
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Mar 27, 2021 13:52
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A buddy gave me the first omnibus back in my mind 20s and I read all of it in the span of a few days. I get why the violence would turn some people off, but I don't think Invincible has ever done violence just for the shock value. There's actually a heart to the story and the characters.
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Mar 27, 2021 18:09
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JT Smiley posted:A buddy gave me the first omnibus back in my mind 20s and I read all of it in the span of a few days. I get why the violence would turn some people off, but I don't think Invincible has ever done violence just for the shock value. There's actually a heart to the story and the characters.
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