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The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

infernal machines posted:

there are plenty of valid use cases for linux. but let's not pretend it isn't still a poo poo show for random hardware compatibility.

on non-lenovo laptops, yes

however, if you find yourself having to deal with a non-apple laptop, your life has already taken a very sharp wrong turn somewhere

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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

The_Franz posted:

if you find yourself having to deal with a non-apple laptop, your life has already taken a very sharp wrong turn somewhere

for sure

also, there are a frankly shocking number of non-lenovo laptops out there. it's a real bad scene

e: the point being if you start having to make caveats about hardware compatibility because your average person bought whatever was on sale at best buy the day they looked, it's not really a generalized solution. if your answer to that is "works on my machine" congratulations, you're eminently qualified to be a foss developer

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Mar 27, 2021

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
Office would be packaged a Flatpak app and not an RPM package op

The tragedy is that this will not happen any time soon, because Microsoft is joined at the hip to Canonical and Canonical's current business model is "let's ram our own shittily-designed incompatible Linux infrastructure components down everybody's throats, because we own the copyrights to those and can use that to shake down embedded device vendors for licensing fees". So in that situation Microsoft would end up using Canonical's Snap garbage instead.

Dont Touch ME
Apr 1, 2018

Hasnt microsoft been trying to offload 365 as a webapp? Would make more sense to just see that to completion and drop the native programs.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
i haven't used it in ages but per the microsoft thread it's "really close" "for a lot of things" which is probably the absolute best case scenario for an actual linux port anyway. as long as you're not one of those bastards doing workflow automation in excel you're probably fine

so now all you have to do is install edge

hbag
Feb 13, 2021

someone linked me a terminal emulator that im going to install later solely because i still have the brain of a toddler that is entertained by shiny things that move a lot, also known as ADD

https://github.com/GitSquared/edex-ui

mystes
May 31, 2006

Dont Touch ME posted:

Hasnt microsoft been trying to offload 365 as a webapp? Would make more sense to just see that to completion and drop the native programs.
Microsoft is unlikely to force people to switch but theoretically a company could just use the web versions with linux I guess.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

hbag posted:

someone linked me a terminal emulator that im going to install later solely because i still have the brain of a toddler that is entertained by shiny things that move a lot, also known as ADD

https://github.com/GitSquared/edex-ui

>LOAD HACKING TOOLS:ovr:

mystes
May 31, 2006

hbag posted:

someone linked me a terminal emulator that im going to install later solely because i still have the brain of a toddler that is entertained by shiny things that move a lot, also known as ADD

https://github.com/GitSquared/edex-ui
This thing looks cool but it sounds like it's more concerned with looking cool than being useful? I would absolutely use something with this aesthetic if it was just like an actual gtk theme or something though.

hbag
Feb 13, 2021

infernal machines posted:

>LOAD HACKING TOOLS:ovr:

yeah pretty much

although i did manage to complete the hackthebox invite challenge entirely by myself with no guides or assistance ( :smug: ) so i can get away wtih it

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

hbag posted:

someone linked me a terminal emulator that im going to install later solely because i still have the brain of a toddler that is entertained by shiny things that move a lot, also known as ADD

https://github.com/GitSquared/edex-ui

Have you explored the world of conky yet?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

hbag
Feb 13, 2021

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Have you explored the world of conky yet?

briefly, i remember finding it too awkward to use

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018


Conky, tiling wms, and messing around with urxvt and vim configs during high school/college was peak linux.

hbag
Feb 13, 2021

mystes posted:

This thing looks cool but it sounds like it's more concerned with looking cool than being useful? I would absolutely use something with this aesthetic if it was just like an actual gtk theme or something though.

apparently the guy(s?) making it are doing their best to make it actually useful at the same time as looking shiny, which is cool

hbag
Feb 13, 2021



alright gently caress i like this

hbag fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Mar 27, 2021

Sassafras
Dec 24, 2004

by Athanatos

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Have you explored the world of conky yet?

I've never heard of this so in trying to determine how old it was compared to my gkrellm standby, I found some 2005 fork drama flames on freshmeat.

Bourricot
Aug 7, 2016



hbag posted:

someone linked me a terminal emulator that im going to install later solely because i still have the brain of a toddler that is entertained by shiny things that move a lot, also known as ADD

https://github.com/GitSquared/edex-ui
It feels really weird to see people who insist on using TUI tools (vim, ranger...), presumably for ~~minimalism~~ reasons, but have no problem launching them from a javascript/electron terminal emulator.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

Bourricot posted:

It feels really weird to see people who insist on using TUI tools (vim, ranger...), presumably for ~~minimalism~~ reasons, but have no problem launching them from a javascript/electron terminal emulator.

loving phonies.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



What the gently caress is the point of neofetch? Do people seriously forget which OS they're on? Do you really need to be told which window Manager you're using each time you start up the terminal emulator?

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011



it's designed solely for communities like /r/unixporn that are literally just about showing off your sick i3 setup to other dorks who unironically the the phrase "linux master race"

git apologist
Jun 4, 2003

Bourricot posted:

It feels really weird to see people who insist on using TUI tools (vim, ranger...), presumably for ~~minimalism~~ reasons, but have no problem launching them from a javascript/electron terminal emulator.

they use it cos they like it, doesn’t need to be some big reason for it

vim’s editing mode is a whole trip that some people really dig

12 rats tied together
Sep 7, 2006

vim's editing mode switching model thing is good enough that people write plugins to port the keybinds to chrome and poo poo, minimalism is not a factor at all

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

there's more than good nvidia support thats missing from wayland (hasn't that just been fixed anyway?)

- no way to turn off vsync (they're working on the protocol for it now, but until that lands it's useless for gaming)

- no way to unscale xwayland apps, so when running X apps with hidpi you get a blurry mess that you can do nothing about

- no xmodmap functionality

- clipboard is a mess (but i guess clipboard managers can fix that)

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Dont Touch ME posted:

Hasnt microsoft been trying to offload 365 as a webapp? Would make more sense to just see that to completion and drop the native programs.

another not at all unlikely scenario is that things keep going towards wired-together containers or virtual machines, and office comes to linux in the form of some twist on single-app windows core virtual machines. precisely the kind of thing that a lot of the infrastructure like wayland and pipewire and so on is built to enable after all.

which i already alluded to might not satisfy those still believing in linux on the desktop in some 1997 idea of what a desktop is (not least as they'd be running windows on one layer), but i'd consider it way more likely.

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

Tankakern posted:

there's more than good nvidia support thats missing from wayland (hasn't that just been fixed anyway?)

- no way to turn off vsync (they're working on the protocol for it now, but until that lands it's useless for gaming)

- no way to unscale xwayland apps, so when running X apps with hidpi you get a blurry mess that you can do nothing about

nvidia currently has barebones support, but no xwayland or vulkan

if you don't want vsync you can use mailbox mode, which lets you run unthrottled without tearing. high/variable refresh rate monitors are the real solution in the long term

legacy apps being blurry when using hidpi is a problem every desktop platform has. there's just no way around it short of updating things to be dpi aware

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
I have a VRR display and I haven't really noticed any benefit in video games

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
i guess it depends on the game, but it's just no page tearing without vsync

if you have a 120hz+ display and a beefy enough graphics card you'll get smoother performance in some things. it's probably not particularly noticeable outside of shooters though

psiox
Oct 15, 2001

Babylon 5 Street Team

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Have you explored the world of conky yet?

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

The_Franz posted:

legacy apps being blurry when using hidpi is a problem every desktop platform has. there's just no way around it short of updating things to be dpi aware

that’s simply not true, on macos legacy apps can be blocky instead

it helps a lot that apple have sensibly stuck to integer scaling factors of course

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

Soricidus posted:

that’s simply not true, on macos legacy apps can be blocky instead

it helps a lot that apple have sensibly stuck to integer scaling factors of course

pretty much the only app i ever have problems with is libreoffice, where something breaks every time apple bumps the SDK version such that it reverts to drawing at 1x with blurry upsampling. this persists until they re-build LO with the newest compiler and SDK. i forget the exact technical reason this keeps happening but it's the dumbest thing ever


btw apple's system has always been a bit more complicated than pure integer ratios. they do always have an int ratio between layout units (what used to be pixels pre-retina) and the nominal frame buffer size, which is typically 2x but can be 3x on some iphones iirc. however that frame buffer need not be the native lcd panel resolution

for example all current 13" macsbook pro and air have a 2560x1600 lcd panel with a default setting of "looks like 1440x900" @2x. the window server composites everything into a 2880x1800 buffer which it then downsamples to 2560x1600. still looks great even though that's a 1.125:1 ratio, i dunno what kind of scaling algorithm wizardry they use but it's good

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Gentle Autist posted:

vim’s editing mode is a whole trip that some people really dig

hipsters turning implementation limitations into objects of fetishization (vi is the way it is because the ADM-33a is a bad dumb terminal, not because it was specially designed to be “good” or anything like that)

it’s like preferring those old mechanical typewriters that happened to omit 1 and 0 keys for cost reasons, and declaring that it’s actually a good design point not to have a 1 or 0 key

if they actually think modal editing is the right way to do things they should use a good modal editor instead of the one Bill Joy hacked together on top of a line editor

hbag
Feb 13, 2021

i am blissfully unaware of 99% of the keybindings in doom emacs but i like it because its shiny and also does what i want
sure there's probably a vim extension for editing files over SSH but doom emacs does it right out of the box

Dont Touch ME
Apr 1, 2018

hbag posted:

sure there's probably a vim extension for editing files over SSH but doom emacs does it right out of the box

hbag, I... don't know what you mean by this

hbag
Feb 13, 2021

Dont Touch ME posted:

hbag, I... don't know what you mean by this

i mean in doom emacs you can open ssh:user@host:/the/file/directory/file.foo and it'll open a connection to that host and open that file, meaning you can use your editor even if the host the file is on doesnt have it and doesnt let you install it

mystes
May 31, 2006

Dont Touch ME posted:

hbag, I... don't know what you mean by this
Presumably editing files over scp from a local emacs instance? Although I think vim has that built in as well.

Edit: beaten, anyway

Dont Touch ME
Apr 1, 2018

hbag posted:

i mean in doom emacs you can open ssh:user@host:/the/file/directory/file.foo and it'll open a connection to that host and open that file, meaning you can use your editor even if the host the file is on doesnt have it and doesnt let you install it

I knew what you meant.

:e scp://user@host//path/to/file
Or invoke it as the file argument the same way

hbag
Feb 13, 2021

Dont Touch ME posted:

I knew what you meant.

:e scp://user@host//path/to/file
Or invoke it as the file argument the same way

then what did you not get in my post
i said in my original post that im unaware of most of the features of those editors and just know what i actually use, so...

Dont Touch ME
Apr 1, 2018

hbag posted:

then what did you not get in my post
i said in my original post that im unaware of most of the features of those editors and just know what i actually use, so...

I didn't get how u could miss this basic invocation of modern vim. Just plug in the protocol and fire away, champ.

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hbag
Feb 13, 2021

Dont Touch ME posted:

I didn't get how u could miss this basic invocation of modern vim. Just plug in the protocol and fire away, champ.

unfortunately i dont have the Big Book of Vim on my person at all times

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