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Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Blood Nightmaster posted:

Something can be technically legal and still be questioned on a moral or ethical level imo

Lawful but awful.

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PriorMarcus
Oct 17, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY

Midjack posted:

Overall it sounds like the internet dogpile on Ames, while unpleasant, was likely not entirely to blame and that darkpriest's personality may have inadvertently amplified some of Ames's problems that led to her choosing to end her life.

I'm through six of the seven 30-minute episodes and so far DP's recollections of events and conversations do not entirely line up with what other people remember, though these are generally 1:1 comparisons so it's challenging to determine who's correct. However, there have so far been a couple of events where there are three people remembering things, and DP's account is at odds with the other two. DP also makes a number of claims that are impossible to verify but which paint him in a better light if you accept them. Both DP and one of his friends in the entertainment industry complain about how fake everyone there is and how they're all liars in that business, which invites the question: why should we attach any special import to your words, then? The journalist doing the cast gets a little too hung up on one detail in particular (the hotel room) though ultimately determined that DP's account was consistent with recorded facts about halfway through episode 6. The caster also noted a couple of instances of DP trying to play him off against his producer during interviews and conversations, as well as DP coaching some interviewees before the caster talked to them, which doesn't do a lot to enhance DP's credibility.

So was DP August Ames husband?

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Sodomy Hussein posted:

Worth noting that Pornhub and its various sister sites (it is now a vast and largely unaccountable empire) is built on stolen material that destroyed the porn industry and with it whatever loose controls there were on content, and no one cares because it's porn. As Bust Rodd points out there's no actual money in doing porn at this point, because the cost of entry is $0 for all involved.

Meanwhile, everyone watches porn and doing even one video is a scarlet letter; if you attempt to get a "real" job someone will eventually recognize you and you will lose that job. I would recommend The Butterfly Effect for more about this phenomenon, which among many other things also gets into people doing special order porn-by-request as a stopgap for people with extremely specific fetishes, like filming women crushing a stamp collection. This was four years ago so I imagine the market even on that sort of thing has dropped out.

I was in New Orleans once and started chatting up a woman who only works a few months outta the year, by flying to Europe, putting on a stain resistant suit, and smashes very squishy vegetables and paint for perverts. Seems like good work if you can get it.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



PriorMarcus posted:

So was DP August Ames husband?

Yes.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

thrawn527 posted:

https://twitter.com/alicewetterlund/status/1373740682536394754

Costar on Silicon Valley for seasons 2 and 3 who has been open about how toxic the set was, especially Middleditch.

I remember her character getting a big push one season and then got scaled back for the rest of the series. I now wonder if that was a result of an unsafe environment for her on set.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

ruddiger posted:

I remember her character getting a big push one season and then got scaled back for the rest of the series. I now wonder if that was a result of an unsafe environment for her on set.

Or payback for complaining about an unsafe environment.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




was she the "girl" engineer with her friend "cunty"? I always wondered why she disappeared from the show since it was nice to have a break up of the sausage party

VoodooXT
Feb 24, 2006
I want Tong Po! Give me Tong Po!

Skwirl posted:

Or payback for complaining about an unsafe environment.

As someone who works in the industry, it was absolutely this.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
Goddamn it I watched 4 new episodes of one of my favorite shows yesterday before realizing one of the main characters is voiced by Middleditch booooooo

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

Aces High posted:

was she the "girl" engineer with her friend "cunty"? I always wondered why she disappeared from the show since it was nice to have a break up of the sausage party

Yup. I agree it’s a shame.

Although I do really the gag where they brought her back for a cameo during the episode where the gang were looking for engineers to help them work on Pied Piper behind Jack Barker’s back and instead of helping them, she just blackmails them into paying her in exchange for not snitching on them. I wonder if there was someone on the writing team who did that scene as a form of subtle revenge on the cast.

Brazilianpeanutwar
Aug 27, 2015

Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?
I watched silicon valley from start to finish but my memories of it are hazy,i remember middleditch’s character dating a woman but he abused her because she didn’t use punctuation properly (or was it a coding thing?)

Either way it was weird then,it speaks volumes now.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




seeing the stuff about Middleditch come out, it certainly feels like he didn't have to do much acting on set, though that also goes for others in the cast as well, like TJ Miller

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


https://twitter.com/moviessilently/status/1376206852040445953?s=21

edit: I don't know if this is particularly new news, but it was part of the reason Fraser's trending on Twitter currently, the rest of the trend is showing near-unanimous support for Fraser and people nostalgic for him/his work

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



The denial is new I think. He had a story a few years ago about getting touched. Same thing happened to Terry Crewes but he didn’t get as sidelined.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

Aces High posted:

seeing the stuff about Middleditch come out, it certainly feels like he didn't have to do much acting on set, though that also goes for others in the cast as well, like TJ Miller
I think what's upsetting is how embedded Middleditch was in comedy scenes, same as TJ Miller. It's going to be incredibly disappointing if Scott Aukerman or Ben Schwartz don't part ways with him, but who knows how complicit they've been.

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

I watched silicon valley from start to finish but my memories of it are hazy,i remember middleditch’s character dating a woman but he abused her because she didn’t use punctuation properly (or was it a coding thing?)

It was due to the old tabs vs. spaces debate.

AceOfFlames fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Mar 28, 2021

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Vintersorg posted:

The denial is new I think. He had a story a few years ago about getting touched. Same thing happened to Terry Crewes but he didn’t get as sidelined.

Terry Crews was a regular cast member of a network TV show and had the support of his castmates. It would have been hard to kick him off Brooklyn Nine-Nine without every other star of the show throwing a fit and probably quitting. With movie actors you can just stop giving them new roles.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Skwirl posted:

Terry Crews was a regular cast member of a network TV show and had the support of his castmates. It would have been hard to kick him off Brooklyn Nine-Nine without every other star of the show throwing a fit and probably quitting. With movie actors you can just stop giving them new roles.

Like how Anthony Rapp didn't accuse Kevin Spacey until he had a regular position on a TV show. It sucks.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Timeless Appeal posted:

I think what's upsetting is how embedded Middleditch was in comedy scenes, same as TJ Miller. It's going to be incredibly disappointing if Scott Aukerman or Ben Schwartz don't part ways with him, but who knows how complicit they've been.

speaking of comedy scene, Louis Ck had some video come out recently where he talks about being cancelled

idk if it's watching since I didn't myself but fwiw

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Chris James 2 posted:

https://twitter.com/moviessilently/status/1376206852040445953?s=21

edit: I don't know if this is particularly new news, but it was part of the reason Fraser's trending on Twitter currently, the rest of the trend is showing near-unanimous support for Fraser and people nostalgic for him/his work

Brendan Fraser is great and it's heart breaking that he got so screwed over by a bunch of evil assholes.

I'm glad things are going better for him now (He's got two upcoming movies and he's great on Doom Patrol), but he never should have had to go through that bad poo poo at all.

Desperado Bones
Aug 29, 2009

Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!


Space Cadet Omoly posted:

He's got two upcoming movies

Oh I didn't know! He is gonna be on a Darren Aronofsky movie! That's amazing, good for him.

He got abused* by Hollywood and all its monsters, the guy deserves it.

*Aside from the sexual assault, he always felt pressured to do his own stunts. Ended up loving up his back and body in general, hence nowadays he can't keep in shape -among other reasons,like suffering from depression-)

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!
Blacklisted seems a bit much to claim. The assault happened in 2003, Fraser lodged a complaint and received a formal apology from the HFPA and the man that assaulted him. He was a leading man starring in high budget movies for a decade after the assault was initially reported.
The denial the article mentions is some weird circular logic the HFPA is using that since it wasn't a 'sexual advance' it wasn't sexual harassment. Everything in the article is at least 3 years old and isn't even the most recent excuse Fraser has used for his career fading. He's gone from his divorce settlement gets such a cut of his salary there's no point to bother while it was active, to the blacklisted claim, and the current one is he stepped away because The Mummy movies destroyed his body and he wanted time to recuperate.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

I'll always remember him in Gods & Monsters, one of those fantastic little period pieces from the '90s that was kinda perfect for what it is. Skated a lot of pretty interesting (and semi-thread-relevant) topics, actually. I just thought Brendan Fraser was a perfect bit of casting, since he physically had that "Frankestein" sort of skull structure and physical gait, and he and Ian Mckellan had a fascinating chemistry in their scenes together.

Sucks that he had to deal with these assholes from the HFPA.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

Jessica Walter passed away recently. I'll never forget that New York Times interview with the cast of Arrested Development. It was an indelible cultural moment. Just days after being accused sexual assault, the predator in the room is defended vigorously by fellow white male cast members. They effusively volunteer excuses for him, interrupting the crying survivor of his bullying while she tries to explain her trauma. Gaslights her, jokes that they've all abused her before, tells her it wasn't a big deal. The only other woman in the room is also the only dissenting voice, and she gets in only about a single line before being talked over herself.

I remember clicking into the interview innocuously as a fan of the show -- before the whole thing blew up -- and dropping my jaw at what transpired. If this was happening in a press interview, what the gently caress happens in backrooms?

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

Ever since Walter died, I can't help but picture Alia Shawkat calling each of the other people present in that interview screaming "YOU MOTHERFUCKERS DID THIS!"

sethsez
Jul 14, 2006

He's soooo dreamy...

Vegetable posted:

Jessica Walter passed away recently. I'll never forget that New York Times interview with the cast of Arrested Development. It was an indelible cultural moment. Just days after being accused sexual assault, the predator in the room is defended vigorously by fellow white male cast members. They effusively volunteer excuses for him, interrupting the crying survivor of his bullying while she tries to explain her trauma. Gaslights her, jokes that they've all abused her before, tells her it wasn't a big deal. The only other woman in the room is also the only dissenting voice, and she gets in only about a single line before being talked over herself.

I remember clicking into the interview innocuously as a fan of the show -- before the whole thing blew up -- and dropping my jaw at what transpired. If this was happening in a press interview, what the gently caress happens in backrooms?

What always amazed me about that was the general attitude of "this woman who's been working non-stop in the industry since the early 1960s just doesn't understand what the industry is like."

You'd think someone who spent 60 years in film and TV would have some idea of what's normal and abnormal, and what's considered acceptable behavior and what isn't, but all these guys were treating her like a new PA who isn't used to set life yet.

RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

Blacklisted seems a bit much to claim. The assault happened in 2003, Fraser lodged a complaint and received a formal apology from the HFPA and the man that assaulted him. He was a leading man starring in high budget movies for a decade after the assault was initially reported.
The denial the article mentions is some weird circular logic the HFPA is using that since it wasn't a 'sexual advance' it wasn't sexual harassment. Everything in the article is at least 3 years old and isn't even the most recent excuse Fraser has used for his career fading. He's gone from his divorce settlement gets such a cut of his salary there's no point to bother while it was active, to the blacklisted claim, and the current one is he stepped away because The Mummy movies destroyed his body and he wanted time to recuperate.

Wut?

I'm looking at Fraser's imdb credits from 2003 to 2013 and I'm not sure what you consider leading man in high budget movies is. The only thing high budget (100M+) in that list is the Mummy sequel. One of the maybe 3 mid-budget (30-60M) movies he was in was only because the author of the book wouldn't let it be adapted if he wasn't the lead. Almost none of his choices are from major studios either. His credit list absolutely reads like someone getting scraps from being blacklisted for that decade.

SunshineDanceParty
Feb 7, 2006

One Road. Two Friends. One Ass.

Vegetable posted:

Jessica Walter passed away recently. I'll never forget that New York Times interview with the cast of Arrested Development. It was an indelible cultural moment. Just days after being accused sexual assault, the predator in the room is defended vigorously by fellow white male cast members. They effusively volunteer excuses for him, interrupting the crying survivor of his bullying while she tries to explain her trauma. Gaslights her, jokes that they've all abused her before, tells her it wasn't a big deal. The only other woman in the room is also the only dissenting voice, and she gets in only about a single line before being talked over herself.

I remember clicking into the interview innocuously as a fan of the show -- before the whole thing blew up -- and dropping my jaw at what transpired. If this was happening in a press interview, what the gently caress happens in backrooms?

That was a huge part that hit me as well. Their response and attitude wasn't some caught with their pants down moment, those were their opinions after clearly discussing it.

Really ruined the show and all those actors for me.

Pachylad
Jul 12, 2017

Alan Smithee posted:

speaking of comedy scene, Louis Ck had some video come out recently where he talks about being cancelled

Is this the one you're talking about? (It went big on r/videos under 'Louis CK talks openly about his cancellation')

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOS9KB2qoRI

Because... he doesn't talk about his cancellation. Not the blowback at least. He just does his usual dark comedy and absurdity of jerking off to people, and how he's infamous about it and 'that even if people say yes you still shouldn't do it' (thanks for the PSA I guess?). It's the sort of thing the average person who only knows 'so he jerked off to those women huh' and barely anything else underneath the surface would laugh at I guess.

I won't deny I laughed at some bits ("Even Obama knows my loving thing!") but this is the sort of comedy I'd feel much better enjoying in a vacuum, heavily removed from the context of what he did to those women.

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.

ruddiger posted:

I remember her character getting a big push one season and then got scaled back for the rest of the series. I now wonder if that was a result of an unsafe environment for her on set.

She had nothing good to say about anyone on that set, aside from Jimmy O Yang. In another tweet someone mentioned that at least Kumail is a good guy and she tweeted back some side-eye. I guess, given what little we know that Middleditch and Miller were the worst and the rest of the cast either didn't care or joined in.

God Hole
Mar 2, 2016

ruddiger posted:

I remember her character getting a big push one season and then got scaled back for the rest of the series. I now wonder if that was a result of an unsafe environment for her on set.

in retrospect it kind of seems in this one instance, rather than spoofing the work culture in SV, the writers just took the real-life conflict between the actors and dramatized it

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Most of the rumor mill was that TJ Miller was a drunken nightmare on set and yet somehow his career appears to have survived, even though you can slot pretty much anyone into the Rob Schneider part of a movie.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
im looking at his IMDB and it looks kinda.....Eric Roberts tier quality

but not Eric Roberts quantity

guess the terrorism charge was what did it

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Sodomy Hussein posted:

Most of the rumor mill was that TJ Miller was a drunken nightmare on set and yet somehow his career appears to have survived, even though you can slot pretty much anyone into the Rob Schneider part of a movie.

Has it, though? I mean, it survived longer than it should have (I remember thinking when Deadpool 2 came out that they would have cut him if they hadn't already filmed all of his scenes), but he's pretty much done now. DP2 and Ready Player One are the last 2 major things he was in, both in 2018, and those were 1 year after his last appearance on Silicon Valley. It's all C-tier poo poo since then, and nothing coming up.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


thrawn527 posted:

Has it, though? I mean, it survived longer than it should have (I remember thinking when Deadpool 2 came out that they would have cut him if they hadn't already filmed all of his scenes), but he's pretty much done now. DP2 and Ready Player One are the last 2 major things he was in, both in 2018. It's all C-tier poo poo since then, and nothing come up.

That's good I guess, I guess I was traumatized by Ready Player One and trying to figure out how the hell any of this was happening.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

thrawn527 posted:

Has it, though? I mean, it survived longer than it should have (I remember thinking when Deadpool 2 came out that they would have cut him if they hadn't already filmed all of his scenes), but he's pretty much done now. DP2 and Ready Player One are the last 2 major things he was in, both in 2018, and those were 1 year after his last appearance on Silicon Valley. It's all C-tier poo poo since then, and nothing coming up.
I mean it's all relative. He's not advancing like he was a few years ago when he was showing up in everything, but dude is touring right now. He's basically slid back into his pre-Sillicon Valley popularity as a comedian, but with more recognition. It's like with a lot of these dudes where failing means being a millionaire who is not quite as successful.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Sodomy Hussein posted:

That's good I guess, I guess I was traumatized by Ready Player One and trying to figure out how the hell any of this was happening.

Yeah, Ready Player One was a weird one, because he would have been super easy to replace in that one, since it would have just taken a voice over, right. But that movie had some serious "zero effort" energy from Spielberg so he probably didn't give a poo poo.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Sodomy Hussein posted:

Most of the rumor mill was that TJ Miller was a drunken nightmare on set and yet somehow his career appears to have survived, even though you can slot pretty much anyone into the Rob Schneider part of a movie.

I used to listen to the podcast You Made it Weird with Pete Holmes, and Miller was a good friend of his that would show up occasionally, to spout semi congent surface level takes on nihilism and his "philosophy" towards comedy.

but he also did almost die from a brain disease when he was younger and prob has some sort of brain damage. Explains why he would call a terrorist threat on a woman he ran into once.

Doesn't explain him sexually harrassing/assaulting a woman in college.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




I thought TJ Miller is legit missing a piece of his brain or something?

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Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
Yeah he was extremely neuro-cognitively dysfunctional for years and people just assumed he was an alcoholic rear end in a top hat but to be honest we really have no idea how long that growth was developing in his brain.

All I know for certain is that a lump of tissue pushing your brain’s meat into weird squashed shapes can and does radically alter your personality and your ability to reason and communicate (source: my dad had brain cancer) so while I don’t condone his behavior at all I do feel bad for the guy in a way I just don’t for anyone else ITT.

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