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Kind Friend
Sep 9, 2013

bredren 9 minutes ago [–]

We had a driver pour out a bottle of pee directly onto the street in front of our place from his open driver’s side van window on Saturday afternoon.

My wife got a photo and then immediately after they delivered packages and left I went and took a photo because I couldn’t believe it.

I had not heard about the controversy until then, but my wife had been following it. I read these tweets and I also didn’t believe they were real, they were far too aggressive.

It was strange because I felt like I needed to know if it was in fact pee or not, but I also was not willing to bend over and smell it. It had all of the appearances of pee, yet the disposal was so obviously careless and conspicuous it was as though the person wanted to be caught.

The up close photo I took shows two foamy sections.

We discussed ethical issues of the potential for the worker being fired over this. And whether it ever okay to pour a bottle of pee out in front of some homes on a bike way. We also consulted a USPS mail carrier friend about what he has dealt with and USPS’ procedure for bio breaks.

Gathering all that, I still chose to email the photos and ask Amazon how they intended to handle this.

Waiting on a reply.




edit: the pee inspector has posted a follow-up


bredren 7 minutes ago [–]

Another option was sending it to media, which I presumed would have gotten attention. I thought the person had a better chance of holding on to the job if it was handled without publicity.

I don't have a lab, so I can't determine if it was pee. And I can't imagine you'd get to hold on to a job at Target if you poured pee out in the parking lot in front of customers.

Our friend with the USPS said "[at USPS] we’re allowed to travel as far as we need to find a restroom so no need to do it."

If this is the case at Amazon, then there shouldn't be a need to pee in bottles.

However, if this is not the case at Amazon, then what was apparently Bezos' tweet [1] was not reflective of the situation on the ground. I've written him directly before, and depending on the response, I may do it in this instance because he's not seeing what I'm seeing.

[1] https://twitter.com/amazonnews/status/1374911222361956359

Kind Friend fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Mar 29, 2021

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xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Lol

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

fritz posted:

raiph 3 days ago [–]

> Understanding the runes of Perl and the difference between a "$" and a "@" etc are a lot more exotic than "ADD A TO B GIVING C." or "IDENTIFICATION DIVISION."
I disagree.
"$" is understandable for just about every 2 year old on the planet[1] and understood by just about every developer on the planet, including the majority for whom English is not their first language. ("IDENTIFICATION DIVISION"? Why would you divide your name?)
"@" is understandable for a 6 year old.[2]
Calling such incredibly simple things "runes" and "exotic" is like calling "0" an exotic rune.[2]
[1] "$" is just a visual/audio/semantic/mnemonic/symbol overlaying S for "Single" and I for "Item". According to replicated scientific studies an average English baby demonstrates understanding of this concept at around 22-24 months. I think a conclusion that a 2 year old could understand "$" is reasonable.
[2] "@" is just a visual/audio/semantic/mnemonic/symbol overlaying "at" to indicate indexing, "a" to indicate "array", and "0" to indicate counting starts at zero. According to a 2018 scientific study[3] an average child has come to understand integer counting by the age of around 3 and a half, and is comfortable with counting from "0" at around 5-6 years of age. Perhaps the most challenging aspect is the notion of an "array"; but the whole point of having an "@" is to distinguish it from "$" without getting into details. I think a conclusion that a 6 year old could understand "@" more easily than they could understand addition is reasonable.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

fritz posted:

raiph 3 days ago [–]

> Understanding the runes of Perl and the difference between a "$" and a "@" etc are a lot more exotic than "ADD A TO B GIVING C." or "IDENTIFICATION DIVISION."
I disagree.
"$" is understandable for just about every 2 year old on the planet[1] and understood by just about every developer on the planet, including the majority for whom English is not their first language. ("IDENTIFICATION DIVISION"? Why would you divide your name?)
"@" is understandable for a 6 year old.[2]
Calling such incredibly simple things "runes" and "exotic" is like calling "0" an exotic rune.[2]
[1] "$" is just a visual/audio/semantic/mnemonic/symbol overlaying S for "Single" and I for "Item". According to replicated scientific studies an average English baby demonstrates understanding of this concept at around 22-24 months. I think a conclusion that a 2 year old could understand "$" is reasonable.
[2] "@" is just a visual/audio/semantic/mnemonic/symbol overlaying "at" to indicate indexing, "a" to indicate "array", and "0" to indicate counting starts at zero. According to a 2018 scientific study[3] an average child has come to understand integer counting by the age of around 3 and a half, and is comfortable with counting from "0" at around 5-6 years of age. Perhaps the most challenging aspect is the notion of an "array"; but the whole point of having an "@" is to distinguish it from "$" without getting into details. I think a conclusion that a 6 year old could understand "@" more easily than they could understand addition is reasonable.

this is parody right. it’s absolute perfection

Chunks Hammerdong
Nov 1, 2009

fritz posted:

raiph 3 days ago [–]

> Understanding the runes of Perl and the difference between a "$" and a "@" etc are a lot more exotic than "ADD A TO B GIVING C." or "IDENTIFICATION DIVISION."
I disagree.
"$" is understandable for just about every 2 year old on the planet[1] and understood by just about every developer on the planet, including the majority for whom English is not their first language. ("IDENTIFICATION DIVISION"? Why would you divide your name?)
"@" is understandable for a 6 year old.[2]
Calling such incredibly simple things "runes" and "exotic" is like calling "0" an exotic rune.[2]
[1] "$" is just a visual/audio/semantic/mnemonic/symbol overlaying S for "Single" and I for "Item". According to replicated scientific studies an average English baby demonstrates understanding of this concept at around 22-24 months. I think a conclusion that a 2 year old could understand "$" is reasonable.
[2] "@" is just a visual/audio/semantic/mnemonic/symbol overlaying "at" to indicate indexing, "a" to indicate "array", and "0" to indicate counting starts at zero. According to a 2018 scientific study[3] an average child has come to understand integer counting by the age of around 3 and a half, and is comfortable with counting from "0" at around 5-6 years of age. Perhaps the most challenging aspect is the notion of an "array"; but the whole point of having an "@" is to distinguish it from "$" without getting into details. I think a conclusion that a 6 year old could understand "@" more easily than they could understand addition is reasonable.

Perl was the first programming language I was exposed to, going to university, and I have the mental power of a 6 year old, so this checks out.

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

hn thread: The up close photo I took shows two foamy sections.

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

fritz posted:

raiph 3 days ago [–]

> Understanding the runes of Perl and the difference between a "$" and a "@" etc are a lot more exotic than "ADD A TO B GIVING C." or "IDENTIFICATION DIVISION."
I disagree.
"$" is understandable for just about every 2 year old on the planet[1] and understood by just about every developer on the planet, including the majority for whom English is not their first language. ("IDENTIFICATION DIVISION"? Why would you divide your name?)
"@" is understandable for a 6 year old.[2]
Calling such incredibly simple things "runes" and "exotic" is like calling "0" an exotic rune.[2]
[1] "$" is just a visual/audio/semantic/mnemonic/symbol overlaying S for "Single" and I for "Item". According to replicated scientific studies an average English baby demonstrates understanding of this concept at around 22-24 months. I think a conclusion that a 2 year old could understand "$" is reasonable.
[2] "@" is just a visual/audio/semantic/mnemonic/symbol overlaying "at" to indicate indexing, "a" to indicate "array", and "0" to indicate counting starts at zero. According to a 2018 scientific study[3] an average child has come to understand integer counting by the age of around 3 and a half, and is comfortable with counting from "0" at around 5-6 years of age. Perhaps the most challenging aspect is the notion of an "array"; but the whole point of having an "@" is to distinguish it from "$" without getting into details. I think a conclusion that a 6 year old could understand "@" more easily than they could understand addition is reasonable.

I don’t know if we can top this

hn thread: a 2 year old could understand “$”

Doom Mathematic
Sep 2, 2008
"You must defend Perl vigorously and verbosely" is a fundamental guiding principle of the programming language. See also that one StackOverflow answer which spends north of 3,500 words explaining how "🐪 goes out of its way to make Unicode easy, far more than anything else I’ve ever used", and helpfully includes the 49-line boilerplate script you need to use to make Perl work correctly with Unicode, which, by default, it does not.

Doom Mathematic fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Mar 29, 2021

rjmccall
Sep 7, 2007

no worries friend
Fun Shoe
perl ought to make working with unicode easy, in the sense that it has no excuse not to. its string type is opaque and primarily manipulated with high-level append and search operations. and yet

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

afaik it is indeed pretty good with unicode, notably it was pretty early and quite complete on unicode in regexes (which is not that trivial, beyond defining what word boundaries are, a more general idea of up/downcasing, there's also stuff like canonical equivalents, where some code point sequences should be treated as the same).

Plorkyeran
Mar 22, 2007

To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed
perl6/roku has some of the best unicode string handling out there. perl5 has all of the functionality needed for good unicode string handling but a bunch of it is opt-in and awkward, presumably for backwards-compatibility reasons

Jose Valasquez
Apr 8, 2005

ActorNightly 2 hours ago | parent | flag | favorite | on: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

Imagine building a company from the ground up that is succesfull solely because it produces a lot of value to people, and yet random people on the internet still think all you care about is hoarding money and think they can make better decisions than you.
Here is the summary of the issue.

Firstly, pre-pandemic, unemployment was at an alltime low (and its trending that way to as places are reopening), very close to frictional unemployment rates, while Amazon was still able to roll out things like 2 day deliver and same day delivery. This means that it was able to staff accordingly. This in turn means that the pay that people recieve is worth whatever the working conditions are, and people can quit and go find easier job at any time. This is also true of people that are able to work overtime, for double the pay $30 an hour. Not to mention that benefits are also included, which as far as health insurance is a big plus for people.

Secondly, the number of reports of poor working conditions are far and few in between. For the scale of amazon, its expected that some warehouses are going to be run poorly. There isn't a single shred of credible evidence that this is a widespread problem. Also, with unskilled manual labor, there are people that are going to have a harder time than others. Taller pickers for example, have an advantage over shorter pickers that don't have to use the step stool. But again, 3% unemployment rate.

As far as unionization goes, this is the general gist of it. If the workers unionize, the service capability will undoutably go down. When workers realize they can take it easy and keep their jobs, productivity will go down. While its true that worker conditions will improve, the problem is along will come Walmart thats not as much in the spotlight, and offer better service and shipping while having poo poo working conditions, and people will just switch over because thats more beneficial to them. In no way shape or form the will continue supporting Amazon just because their workers unionized, out of the "good of their heart".

So Bezos is doing the correct thing by being anti union. Unionization is messing with the free market, which never leads to good outcomes historically.

If you care about the lower income people, then go out and vote for politicains that support higher taxation for the rich, social programs for the poor, so that ones living condition does not depend on ones job.

Also, for your brain health, get of the domapine fix that is the outrage of the internet lefism.

Best Bi Geek Squid
Mar 25, 2016
"rational actors freely associating is the best and freest econmic model"

*workers decide it is in their rational best interests to unionize*

"no not like that"

Internet Janitor
May 17, 2008

"That isn't the appropriate trash receptacle."

Jose Valasquez posted:

If you care about the lower income people, then go out and vote for politicains that support higher taxation for the rich, social programs for the poor, so that ones living condition does not depend on ones job.

which politicians would this be, i wonder

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 23 hours!
thats some impressive ignoring of the red squiggly

im internet lefism

dads friend steve
Dec 24, 2004

hot takes on why trying to shut down hosting companies that host cp is actually an appalling assault on our freedom of speech

quote:

kernoble 3 hours ago [–]

So a bookstore is just selling colored pieces of paper, even if those pieces of paper are images of child abuse?
Seriously what is wrong with you? I get that cryto-anarchist are hip and think they're so cool, but there is a real human cost here. Are you OK with that?
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quote:

exporectomy 1 hour ago [–]

It would help if people critical of the distribution of child porn would make rational arguments without displaying obvious anger but this is a topic that somehow brings out the hate in people. You're just revealing that you don't have the ability to objectively consider what you're talking about and your opinion is worth no more than a Christian's negative opinion of blasphemy. Are you OK with people using God's name in vain? Seriously? The same God that gave you life? See how silly that argument is.
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dads friend steve fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Apr 4, 2021

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

o_____________o 28 minutes ago [–]

> I have no idea why, though.
Check out the "The Penfield homunculus" and note that in the brain's sensory map, where we process foot sensations is very close to genitalia.
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fritz
Jul 26, 2003

finexplained 9 minutes ago [–]

> there are people who don’t experience “this thing is good, i wish to contribute” or “this has brought me joy, i wish to give something back”
I have literally never experienced this feeling. I've thought about why I haven't a lot, and for me I think it's because I have no inherent sense of "community".
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Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


fritz posted:

finexplained 9 minutes ago [–]

> there are people who don’t experience “this thing is good, i wish to contribute” or “this has brought me joy, i wish to give something back”
I have literally never experienced this feeling. I've thought about why I haven't a lot, and for me I think it's because I have no inherent sense of "community".
reply

[insert Linux distro of choice] user spotted

Xik
Mar 10, 2011

Dinosaur Gum
Was that from the foot fetish story? If so the original context for community and "contributing" was taking pics of womans feet and uploading them to a foot fetish wiki where others can rate them.

I guess what I'm getting at is that I'll probably give the usual HN posters that don't know how to human a pass for now...

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

:burger::burger::burger::burger::burger:

Establish the Buns

:burger::burger::burger::burger::burger:
Coq might finally get a name change - https://coq.discourse.group/t/renaming-coq/1264

HN caught wind of this and thanks to that the Coq mailing list discussion on the topic is no longer public!

quote:

They are free to name it as they please, but their reasoning is spurious. There was nothing wrong with the original name and if one took it negatively, they seriously have some maturing to do. Are French chefs going to start renaming Coq au Vin? I think not, because the intent of the name is fully understood by English speakers and understood in its context.

Oh BTW, this is the current logo -

ThePeavstenator fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Apr 9, 2021

Best Bi Geek Squid
Mar 25, 2016
luv 2 make my math software a dick and balls

suck it up snowflakes

Plorkyeran
Mar 22, 2007

To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed
hn is incredibly offended by the idea of coq renaming

DELETE CASCADE
Oct 25, 2017

i haven't washed my penis since i jerked it to a phtotograph of george w. bush in 2003
the french people at inria who invented coq knew all about the english meaning from the beginning, they think it's funny. and having tried my hand at it, i must agree: coq is hard

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015
I support the renaming, as long as they pick something I know how to pronounce :v:

Buck Turgidson
Feb 6, 2011

𓀬𓀠𓀟𓀡𓀢𓀣𓀤𓀥𓀞𓀬
coq just flows off the tongue so effortlessly though

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

one proposal is rocq, for rocquencourt where the project was started. has a clear upside in being just as easy to pronounce, keeping the letters for some recognizable continuity, etc.

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

one proposal is rocq, for rocquencourt where the project was started. has a clear upside in being just as easy to pronounce, keeping the letters for some recognizable continuity, etc.

rocq around the clock

alexandriao
Jul 20, 2019


Xik posted:

Was that from the foot fetish story? If so the original context for community and "contributing" was taking pics of womans feet and uploading them to a foot fetish wiki where others can rate them.

I guess what I'm getting at is that I'll probably give the usual HN posters that don't know how to human a pass for now...

In the future the Turing Test is much more interesting

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


kitten emergency posted:

rocq around the clock

rocq out with your coq out

FamDav
Mar 29, 2008

quote:

working outside of modern js ecosystem (react, node etc) would be my nightmare. There are tons of resources, best DX, continuous new features which actually make web performance better, and a vibrant community around it. I wish these platform apps die one day and everyone would build and serve on web technologies. This is my personal opinion.

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)


thanks, i'm now violently angry

Best Bi Geek Squid
Mar 25, 2016

this is what js developers actually believe

epitaph
Dec 31, 2008

at least it's not python

Internet Janitor
May 17, 2008

"That isn't the appropriate trash receptacle."
js: write and compile your applications using an absurd rube goldberg machine of third-party dependencies, and wrangle with a blasted hellscape of sedimentary layers of browser apis originally designed for making an animated monkey fart when you click on it. when it's all done, your users can click a link in their web browser, and your application runs

python: glue your applications together from unfixable standard library modules written in a slapdash, heterogenous manner by whatever driveby imbecile had some free time 20 years ago. if anything is usably fast, it is because it calls an equally slapdash and platform-specific c library. when it's all done, your users can learn what the gently caress "pip" is or get bent

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


I tried using typescript once which needs about 9 billion node packages and if that's your "best DX" you can shove it up your rear end

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

wtf is 'dx'?

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004


if theres one thing i think when i browse to a webpage today to read a text article and it chugs along at 10 fps on my 16 core 4ghz 256gb ram computer, its "wow web performance is continuously getting better!"

leper khan
Dec 28, 2010
Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

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leper khan
Dec 28, 2010
Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Breakfast All Day posted:

if theres one thing i think when i browse to a webpage today to read a text article and it chugs along at 10 fps on my 16 core 4ghz 256gb ram computer, its "wow web performance is continuously getting better!"

How do we revolt and switch back to plaintext web?

I feel like maybe we could try to use accessibility legislation to outlaw the graphical web. But it's not clear to me that would completely obliterate js even though it should.

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