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I feel like the rules are a little different if you have a massively successful video game franchise to prime the pump on your adaptation and someone on the level of Henry Cavill to anchor it. My wife watched the Witcher series and really liked it though, so maybe there's something there (I haven't seen it yet).
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I bounced off the witcher games pretty hard but really enjoyed the show. Cavil does the geralt voice and attitude perfectly. It’s one of those things where if you have no idea about it it’s good as hell. If you do know about it then it’s really good.
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mind the walrus posted:I should clarify "The HBO that made Band of Brothers/Rome/John Adams is dead" != "HBO therefore sucks." Did you just never watch A Game of Thrones or what? Solice Kirsk posted:I kinda miss the weird reality HBO shows of the 90's. Fuckin' Sopranos ruining everything with it's prestige. The Spawn cartoon was pretty rad as a kid back in the 90s too. I forget if it got axed due to ratings, the hockey player lawsuit, or something else, but it was real good aside from having Todd McFarlane's goofy intros. Tales from the Crypt was amazing though. Mat Cauthon posted:I feel like the rules are a little different if you have a massively successful video game franchise to prime the pump on your adaptation and someone on the level of Henry Cavill to anchor it. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall at Netflix when someone told the show's creators that Cavill had heard about it, is a huge fan of the books/games, and wanted to be in it.
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GRRM is wokrking on an adapation of Who Fears Death. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Fears_Death It's a sci fi/fantasy distopyc novel set in africa, written by a nigerian american black woman. Those were the reasons I read it. It wasn't exactly to my liking. It reminded me a lot of Parable of the sower. Young black girl has to leave her town after a tragedy, her journey may change the face of the ruined earth she inhabits forever. It was more fantasy than sci fi, I hoped for the other way around. I guess one could say its concerned with how the circumstances of our birth determine our future, and how one can fight against it, despite the expectations of society. Hey, that's also a thing in GOT! It got some explicit rape, violence and other sexual violence. All in all, perfect fit for GRRM.
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Evil Fluffy posted:The Spawn cartoon was pretty rad as a kid back in the 90s too. I forget if it got axed due to ratings, the hockey player lawsuit, or something else, but it was real good aside from having Todd McFarlane's goofy intros. Mat Cauthon posted:Part of what made GoT work for at least the first 3-4 seasons was that there was a sense of a larger, dynamic world around the characters and that no one was safe from tangible, often lethal consequences of their decisions. While that's certainly true that doesn't necessarily mean those hooks are necessary. Other hooks might work just as well. I get the impression Amazon is hoping having a lot more prominent women and poc characters will be one such hook. Dunno if that'll work but I hope so. And people of the current decade might just be interested in a bit more of an optimistic and classically structured story. I know I'm more interested in optimistic/less interested in grimdark stories than I was a decade ago, I doubt I'm alone, but who knows if there's enough of us to matter. I'm probably just being hopeful that it survives long enough to get to some of the great scenes of the later books.
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I'd feel more enthused about a LoTR series if the Hobbit movies hadn't been such a boondoggle and made it seem like LoTR was lightning in a bottle.
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Hijinks Ensue posted:I'd feel more enthused about a LoTR series if the Hobbit movies hadn't been such a boondoggle and made it seem like LoTR was lightning in a bottle. Turns out Peter Jackson had George Lucas Syndrom where when he was surrounded by a poo poo ton of talented people at every level and was brave enough to take risks that few other directors would that he was able to produce some amazing art. But remove some of that and well you get the Prequels/Hobbit. Anyway Peter Jackson isn’t making this TV series.
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I know hardcore Tolkein fans moan a lot about LOTR, especially about the 3rd one and the way PJ manages to mess up pretty much all of the emotional beats, somehow, but I liked the trilogy a lot when I watched it so, I dunno, but, the Hobbit was a piece of poo poo, I think PJ made many stupid decisions in the adaptation but even more important than any particular choice PJ made is the fact that the Hobbit simply isn't an epic three part 9 hour trilogy, that's absolutely insane, the barrel ride isn't some crazy action sequence it's just the dwarves being stuck inside the barrels for two days, cold and miserable, what the gently caress. I mean, when Bilbo gets to the mountain he has one conversation with Smaug, who then tries to sneak attack the dwarves once and fucks off, no crazy melting gold sequence inside the mountain for 3 hours, what the hell was that, they just sit there for two days and bitch at bilbo while expecting him to save them because that's what they do the entire book and the dwarves are completely useless for the entirety of the adventure. I'm actually reading the hobbit now to my kids so the contrast is fresh, it's just such a misguided adaptation. They could have made a 90 minute whimsical hobbit movie which everyone would have loved, the book is a classic.
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As bad as the constant overuse of Arywn was, the love story stuff in the Hobbit movies was just inexcusably bad and I'm legit surprised the Tolkien estate didn't tell him to drop it. I'm 100% on board with adding in Legolas since he absolutely would've been present for all the Mirkwood stuff and just didn't exist as a character until the LOTR books (though having him fight Bolg instead of letting Beorn just rip him and his guards in half was dumb) but there was nothing of value added by that god awful elf/dwarf love story aside from wasting screen time that could've been spent on literally anything else.
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Mar 29, 2021 15:54
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The LoTR film trilogy is very much a series of action movies which the books are very much not. But they’re still awesome and an amazing cinematic experience. The Hobbit is just a mess that Peter Jackson probably regrets ever signing up for.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Turns out Peter Jackson had George Lucas Syndrom where when he was surrounded by a poo poo ton of talented people at every level and was brave enough to take risks that few other directors would that he was able to produce some amazing art. But remove some of that and well you get the Prequels/Hobbit. Evil Fluffy posted:As bad as the constant overuse of Arywn was, the love story stuff in the Hobbit movies was just inexcusably bad and I'm legit surprised the Tolkien estate didn't tell him to drop it. It's extra lovely because Evangeline Lilly explicitly asked them not to make her a love interest and didn't find out that they did it before she saw the finished movie.
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Evil Fluffy posted:As bad as the constant overuse of Arywn was, the love story stuff in the Hobbit movies was just inexcusably bad and I'm legit surprised the Tolkien estate didn't tell him to drop it. I just saw the Hobbit movies for the first time two weeks ago and I had to look this up. Turns out, Peter Jackson publicly and privately promised there would be no lovely love story with Tauriel, and Evangeline Lilly (a lifelong Tolkien fan) signed up to play Tauriel under that promise, and there was no such story once principal photography wrapped. Then, allegedly, the studio told them "since you need more footage to turn this into three movies instead of two, Tauriel will be involved in a love triangle, and you're fired and sued if you don't come back for reshoots to make those happen."
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Mar 29, 2021 16:22
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I regret seeing the Hobbit movies in theaters. I kind of enjoyed the first one, it was cool to see them luxuriate in this world for a long time, and the first movie tells a fun little story. The next two are absolute garbage, especially the third.
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Mar 29, 2021 16:40
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The Hobbit is just a mess that Peter Jackson probably regrets ever signing up for. There's a three-part video by Lindsay Ellis that goes into what went wrong with the Hobbit movies that's very informative (though depressing). Every time you see a behind the scenes picture of PJ from the Hobbit movies, he looks dead inside. She also did a two-parter about what went wrong with Game of Thrones; makes me glad I never watched past Season 4.
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Mar 29, 2021 17:11
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Peter Jackson in 2011 visibly looked the healthiest he’s ever been in his life having lost all his excess weight but after the Hobbit he came out looking worse than ever before and still remains like that AFAIK.
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Mar 29, 2021 17:37
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The whole LotR trilogy is about the same length as the GoT book. The hobbit is like 200 pages. Also Peter Jackson made bad taste, meet the feebles and brain dead. In hindsight, choosing him for LotR was maybe not the correct choice (although the first movie is excellent).
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Mar 29, 2021 19:20
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Cardiac posted:The whole LotR trilogy is about the same length as the GoT book. The hobbit is like 200 pages. This fact just makes GRRMs inability to write a story that’s halfway concise even worse.
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Mar 29, 2021 19:27
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The LoTR film trilogy is very much a series of action movies which the books are very much not. But they’re still awesome and an amazing cinematic experience. What did they even have on Jackson for him to come back and do the Hobbit? I never understood that series of events very well, aside from GdT rightfully backing away as fast as he could.
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disaster pastor posted:I just saw the Hobbit movies for the first time two weeks ago and I had to look this up. Turns out, Peter Jackson publicly and privately promised there would be no lovely love story with Tauriel, and Evangeline Lilly (a lifelong Tolkien fan) signed up to play Tauriel under that promise, and there was no such story once principal photography wrapped. Then, allegedly, the studio told them "since you need more footage to turn this into three movies instead of two, Tauriel will be involved in a love triangle, and you're fired and sued if you don't come back for reshoots to make those happen." That sounds like Jackson deciding "gently caress it I just want to be done with this" since I can't imagine he signed on with such a half-assed agreement that he wouldn't beat the WB to death in any sort of lawsuit. OTOH, him calling their bluff and saying "fine, sue me you fuckers" would've been interesting because WB would have a hard time winning in the court of public opinion and even if they won in court against Jackson there'd be a vocal and likely large crowd boycotting the remaining movies. Mat Cauthon posted:What did they even have on Jackson for him to come back and do the Hobbit? I never understood that series of events very well, aside from GdT rightfully backing away as fast as he could. The LotR movies were prettymuch masterpieces and won a fuckload of rewards. They knew Jackson being involved would get people to see it simply because of how popular the LotR movies were. As soon as I saw that the orcs in The Hobbit were CGI I figured we were in for a rough time but I was just not prepared for how bad it'd get. I do like that they used higher speed cameras though.
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I have 0 knowledge on the topic but it's pretty easy to understand how a director who apparently loves film making and wants to continue making billion dollar movies could find himself at the whims of a big studio. iirc it was also meant to be a two parter at first and they forced his hand in editing or during the filming. I don't want to feel too bad for a guy who makes millions while having a dream job but I can empathize with how it must suck to go through the motions on a huge artistic project that you just know is going to suck.
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Mar 29, 2021 19:56
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he should’ve Alan Smithee’d the films he hated
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Even the behind scenes material is depressing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20vA9U7J2qQ
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Mar 29, 2021 21:01
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WB was so gung ho on loving over Jackson with lotr, they nuked New Line Cinema in the process.
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ruddiger posted:WB was so gung ho on loving over Jackson with lotr, they nuked New Line Cinema in the process.
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Mat Cauthon posted:What did they even have on Jackson for him to come back and do the Hobbit? I never understood that series of events very well, aside from GdT rightfully backing away as fast as he could. There's a lot written on it but the short version and I'm probably missing some stuff: GdT was Jackson's pick to do the movies, and probably would have been great. He moved his entire family to NZ and then the studios dispute with the Tokien estate happened and dragged on forever. GdT eventually said "welp, I gotta move for my life, I've been living here for a year and who knows if this is ever getting made". Then the dispute ended, and the studio asked that the movies be made in a rush, and then stretched out to 3 movies. Without the literal *years* of careful planning and storyboarding of the LotR, it was almost guaranteed to be a disaster. It would either be one with Jackson, or without them. Probably based on some ego, PJ decided if someone was going to helm the doomed ship, it was going to be him, but he seems to have hated making them and been really unhappy with the process and the outcome. At one point, during the third movie, he had to halt production because he admitted he had absolutely no idea what was going on how the battle at the end was even going to go. If you've ever watched all the behind-the-scenes of the LotR movies, you can see the unreal level of thought and planning that went into those, and it's a shock to see him completely lost in the middle of production. My understanding is he's more or less apologized for the movies in the director commentaries but I wouldn't know because I've only ever watched any of them once, and I'm a huge tolkien and LotR movie fan. Lindsay Ellis has a whole disection of the movies in long-form on Youtube from the times when she wasn't getting in twitter fights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTRUQ-RKfUs edit: I see Hijinks mentioned these above Jaxyon fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Mar 30, 2021 |
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At least the people making the Star Wars prequels had fun with it. Well aside from a couple actors who the early internet tortured forever.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:At least the people making the Star Wars prequels had fun with it. Well aside from a couple actors who the early internet tortured forever. The Hobbit production famously reduced Ian McKellan to tears.
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Mat Cauthon posted:What did they even have on Jackson for him to come back and do the Hobbit? I never understood that series of events very well, aside from GdT rightfully backing away as fast as he could. Part of it was apparently him trying to save the livelihood of all the cast and crew that he’d helped GDT assemble, many of whom were old hands from LotR. The original LotR trilogy employed something like 95% of the film production staff of the entire nation of New Zealand at some point. That’s a lot of jobs to leave hanging, or in the hands of studio hacks.
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Has anyone made a “book” cut of the Hobbit which is like 2.5 hours out of the 3 films?
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hobbesmaster posted:Has anyone made a “book” cut of the Hobbit which is like 2.5 hours out of the 3 films? I believe the one I saw was four hours, but yes, there are "book" edits out there. e: I believe this is the one I watched. e2: Here is a list of a number of different cuts. Klungar fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Mar 30, 2021 |
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Alhazred posted:It's extra lovely because Evangeline Lilly explicitly asked them not to make her a love interest and didn't find out that they did it before she saw the finished movie. What did she think all the love scenes she was filming were gonna be used for then?
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Alhazred posted:I'm glad one good thing came out of that mess. I mean, new line still exists, it’s just that wb used it as an excuse to officially absorb them and fire 95% of their employees. And then shat out the Hobbit through them in the aftermath. What was the good part again?
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Solice Kirsk posted:What did she think all the love scenes she was filming were gonna be used for then? They filmed the love scenes during reshoots, which she was contractually obligated to do. They effectively broke a handshake agreement after she had finished filming 95% of the movie without a love triangle.
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Ah, that makes sense. To be honest I don't really know what those scenes were like since I only watched the first movie up until they started fighting the goblins and left the theater. To this day it's one of only three movies I've walked out of. Movie 43 and The Dark Tower are the other two, though I did manage to finish both of those later on. Never bothered with The Hobbit.
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I saw the first two Hobbit films in theaters and was so burned out by the end of The Desolation of Smaug that I never even bothered going to see the third one. And I saw all three LotR movies in theaters, including seeing Return of the King like three times, it was that good. And I own the extended editions on both DVD and Blu-Ray. I kind of watched Battle of the Five Armies eventually because it was on in a room I was constantly wandering in and out of and was like "holy poo poo this is really bad." Even barely paying attention to it and constantly distracted by other, better things, it was an exhausting watch. The only movie I've ever actually walked out of of my own choosing was Amazing Spider-Man 2. I got to the first fight with Electro in Times Square and when the falling scaffolding played "The Itsy Bitsy Spider" as it fell on Spider-Man, I just stood up and walked out. And I actually kinda liked ASM1.
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Jaxyon posted:Lindsay Ellis has a whole disection of the movies in long-form on Youtube from the times when she wasn't getting in twitter fights. The tl;dw:
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rewatching that, I remember some of it wrong....her take on why GdT left is prob right
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Wow, all this behind the scenes stuff about the Hobbit really takes me by surprise. I knew the movies were basically a mess, but I never delved into why, and I made an assumption that, hey, it's Peter Jackson, he can have any directing project he wants, if he's spending this time sprawling out The Hobbit into a three-movie extravaganza full of action sequences, it's because that's what he enjoys. I thought he was basically having fun working with a setting and actors that he liked, with a big budget to enable all the bells and whistles. And now I wish I didn't know that it wasn't that way 
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There was trouble between Jackson and New Line way before the Hobbit too. Jackson asked about where his cut of the profits from the movie was, New Line claimed that the movies never made a profit, Jackson then asked to see the accounting books, New Line's answer was "sue us", which Jackson then did.
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