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BobHoward posted:On reference designs: as an engineer, if I have to put together a PC from enthusiast parts, I try to stick to obviously copypasted reference designs. Oh god, I thought that was just me. The nvidia reference design probably has RGB leds so that the OEMs don't gently caress up the board trying to add RGB leds.
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ryanrs posted:The nvidia reference design probably has RGB leds so that the OEMs don't gently caress up the board trying to add RGB leds. The 3000-series FE lights are actually super subtle compared to the usual RGB panache from EVGA and the like. Just a trio of understated accent LEDs on one small part of the trim and that's it. And of course none of the AIBs can copy that design this time around, so they're goin' pretty hog wild in some cases.
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It's also hard to tell before you actually buy it whether a product's LEDs default to on (OK you can probably guess they do), what the brightness is, if they colour cycle, does the hardware "remember" if you set the colour, brightness, or turn it off entirely? Some reviews may go into enough detail but I would say that most don't/
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DrDork posted:The 3000-series FE lights are actually super subtle compared to the usual RGB panache from EVGA and the like. Just a trio of understated accent LEDs on one small part of the trim and that's it.
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/16564/intels-new-adaptive-boost-technology-floating-turbo-comes-to-rocket-lake Anandtech has published an article on a new feature that Intel is rolling out called Adaptive Boost Technology. I'm not going to resummarize it here, so read the linked article if you want to know, but the short of it is that this is a boost algorithm that will opportunistically give users a much larger boost to CPU clocks, across all cores, as long as there's power delivery and thermal headroom to spare. This is very similar to AMD's Precision Boost 2. The thing is: * it apparently is only available to the i9-11900K and KF * not even the i9-11900 [non-K] has it * because of this, the pre-release reviews for the i7-11700K should be unaffected by this news * it has to be specifically enabled via the BIOS (granted, any enthusiast buying an i9-11900K will probably be aware of this?) * it's such a new and late-marketed feature that motherboard BIOSes don't support it yet and updates for it are only just rolling out now On the one hand, it's nice that Intel has finally caught up to AMD in terms of rolling out boost algorithms that will take a lot of the manual work and guesswork out of maximizing CPU performance On the other hand, they're segmenting the feature to the very tippy-top of the product stack, which means it's going to be rather limited utility EDIT: ___ The review embargo has lifted, and your favorite youtuber/review site should have something up by now. I've only watched Gamers Nexus coverage of the six-core i5-11600K, and the verdict is that this is something that comes really dang close to a 5600X, for significantly less. Prices not obeying MSRP and motherboard prices may change the calculus, but otherwise Intel has positioned itself as a "value buy" in this round. It's actually the i7-11700K that looks bad in this equation because there's very little value to stepping up to it in gaming workloads, and for productivity you'll still want AMD with more cores anyway. gradenko_2000 fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Mar 30, 2021 |
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Mar 30, 2021 14:10
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unfortunately, whatever gains the 11th gen desktop chips have in perf/$ or perf/thread are basically washed out by the power draw. so disappointing. intel is gonna get killed in datacenters or for some enthusiast builds due to that.
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So not much point in stepping up from my 8700K then, unless I want to spend $wtf on an 11900KF. Kinda disappointing. This CPU is the Lake era equivalent of the 2600K, isn’t it?
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Kazinsal posted:So not much point in stepping up from my 8700K then, unless I want to spend $wtf on an 11900KF. Kinda disappointing. Yah it’s pretty good, what I got too. No rush to upgrade! It might go through 3 gpu generations in my system by the time I replace it!
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Same, I'll probably end up hanging on to this 8700K until DDR5 matures Maybe I should man up and de-lid it some day
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pmchem posted:unfortunately, whatever gains the 11th gen desktop chips have in perf/$ or perf/thread are basically washed out by the power draw. so disappointing. intel is gonna get killed in datacenters or for some enthusiast builds due to that. lol no kidding the 11900k apparently peaks at ~270 watt normally, and 310 when using ABT as an 8 core chip (meaning that despite higher clocks the multi-threaded performance appears to match the 10850k) not, uh, looking like an amazing product https://twitter.com/TechTeamGB/status/1376881976565772290?s=20
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Why does every picture of Pat taken in the last 20 years look like hide the pain harold?
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Steve isn't pulling any punches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxiuvQPL_qs e: lmao it's well deserved, it's worse than the 10900k in almost every benchmark and even when it ends up on top it's more expensive than the 5900x which just spanks it six ways from sunday e2: "reminds us of the phenom -> bulldozer era" oof TheFluff fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Mar 30, 2021 |
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LGD posted:lol no kidding 310W is higher than making fun of netburst joke numbers 
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TheFluff posted:Steve isn't pulling any punches:  At least now I won’t be tempted to upgrade for no reason.
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11900k+11700k are firmly in the "who gives a poo poo with this pricing" territory. If it slid in exactly at the 10700k price, it would be fine honestly. But it doesn't. If you want intel, buy the actually well priced 10th gen stuff. 10900KF is $330 at microcenter, 10850K is $320, 10400F is $130. Cygni fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Mar 30, 2021 |
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Maybe don't buy Intel.
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Fame Douglas posted:Maybe don't buy Intel. AMD's pricing isn't great right now. There are lots of good values on the Intel side, just not the 11th gen stuff.
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The i5s in the $150-200 range aren't bad options if that's your budget, cheaper and usually faster (but use more power) than the basic R5 3600. You won't have to worry about being unable to find one in a store. That's it, that's all I've gotFame Douglas posted:Maybe don't buy Intel.
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Cygni posted:11900k+11700k are firmly in the "who gives a poo poo with this pricing" territory. If it slid in exactly at the 10700k price, it would be fine honestly. But it doesn't. 5800X has been out half a year, yet 11700K on launch day is cheaper in germany, since the stores respond to limited supply by raising the prices as far as they can. 10700K is 25% less though.
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TheFluff posted:Steve isn't pulling any punches: This is a murder. I'm watching a murder on YouTube.
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Nam Taf posted:This is a murder. I'm watching a murder on YouTube. Gamers Nexus Steve gets really energetic and animated when he's about to rip into something. It's very fun to watch. Shrimp or Shrimps fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:Gamers Nexus Steve gets really energetic and animated when he's about to rip into something. It's very fun to watch. Watching Tech Jesus flip over vendor's tables in the hardware review temple is always great. Intel CPU and Platform Chat: Sorry our performance is in another process node
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Kazinsal posted:So not much point in stepping up from my 8700K then, unless I want to spend $wtf on an 11900KF. Kinda disappointing. I'm one behind with the 7700K, but even then, I haven't found a game that made me feel like I needed to upgrade. Worst case is that it dies from running at 5GHz for years.
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What I'd like to see from Intel would be for that Adaptive Boost Technology to at least be given out to all the K models, if not the whole stack
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Ugly In The Morning posted:
Flight Sim's CPU bound-ness was tempting me with an upgrade from my 9700k but this showing is miserable (and the 5900x so hard to find) I'll probably just wait for the first DDR5 parts
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https://youtu.be/2f6J76fTQ98?t=38 And I think it's gonna be a long long time Before an advance process Intel will find It's not the 10 cores, it's the 8 that's all Oh no no no It's Rocket Lake Rocket Laaaaaaaaaaaaake Burnin' all the VRM's with adaptive boost
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Even his conclusion of the 11600k largely talks about how the 5600x is the better chip. And this is the Intel chip he likes the most. He's really enjoying this.
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Can't wait to see Francois tweet through this one. He already used the "disrespecting the hard work of intel engineers" so I am curious where he goes this time.
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At least the 11600K isn't bad at its price, though Hardware Unboxed is still recommending the 10600K for gaming because of its lower price. Since there isn't anything new below the 5600X on AMD's side, Intel might still be able to provide good value in the budget segment. The 11900K is just sad, especially if the instability issues that Anand reported keep plaguing it. Fabulousity posted:Intel CPU and Platform Chat: Sorry our performance is in another process node  New thread title?
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King title/thumbnail, here https://youtu.be/_jVAfk4AG3A
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Can't wait to see Francois tweet through this one. He already used the "disrespecting the hard work of intel engineers" so I am curious where he goes this time. He has changed his tune a bit lately from ardently defending everything Intel does to saying they're failing because they haven't put him in charge.
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Do all elevenses support AVX512 or is it gated for maximum idiocy?
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karoshi posted:Do all elevenses support AVX512 or is it gated for maximum idiocy? all the Rocket Lakes support AVX-512  just remember that the i3 line is a Comet Lake refresh
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What actually uses AVX-512 in home use? Does it have any impact on productivity software at all? I presume games is a "maybe in 5 years" kind of thing
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Epiphyte posted:What actually uses AVX-512 in home use? There will likely be some productivity software that supports it. An nbody particle sim is a trivially parallel task that will show avx512 in the most positive light possible. In a real, mixed workload where GPU is inappropriate but AVX512 can offer speedups you will likely be bottlenecked in other parts of the process and see far more modest performance gains (think 5%-20% rather than the 3x in that benchmark depending on what's bottlenecking computation). It's good that Intel is providing AVX-512 with a consistent instruction set throughout the whole stack. That may finally lead to a bit more widespread adoption. Khorne fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Epiphyte posted:What actually uses AVX-512 in home use? Games won't support a feature for 0.001% of the market. In the productivity space support might trickle down from the Xeon line, like maybe AI apps that already support AVX512 on the ~cloud~. Or video encoding libraries used by the content providers.
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From and older cpu review:https://www.anandtech.com/show/15039/the-intel-core-i9-10980xe-review/5 posted:3D Particle Movement v2.1: Brownian Motion Intel makes the best processor for running custom 3d simulation code that you should have run on gpu to begin with, but didn't because you wanted to make the most edge case cpu synthetic benchmark possible.
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Epiphyte posted:What actually uses AVX-512 in home use? Don't virtual backgrounds have an AVX requirement?
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WhyteRyce posted:Don't virtual backgrounds have an AVX requirement? AVX2 afaik
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gradenko_2000 posted:AVX2 afaik I thought it was something up with the GPU
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