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The ring is at the same time a magic arefact, a power enhancer, a phylactery and a macguffin , much like weeding rings.
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all of the above said,BigRed0427 posted:. If its a spoiler and explained later dont anwser, One thing that might be worth keeping in mind as you read LotR for the first time that a lot of stuff won't necessarily be explained at all in the text. E.g., if a character shouts out "Elbereth!" or sings a song about "Earendil" you might not get explanations of who or what those characters are anywhere in the entire rest of the book. All those characters are "real" in the sense that Tolkien had written who and what they were, but none of those explanations were published for about forty years after LotR itself first came out -- not until the Silmarillion was published posthumously. Tolkien did it that way because he was a weird author writing a weird book that was half his own private hallucination and half deep scholarship. Think of it as reading outsider art, not reading a polished novel, and it'll make more sense in some ways. I really envy anyone reading the Lord of the Rings for the first time, especially as a first introduction to fantasy fiction. When I read it for the first time as a child it was like a third eye opening in my forehead. I don't know if that kind of revelatory impact is still possible given how saturated our culture has become with fantasy tropes, but I hope it is.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:all of the above said, Tolkien is very different from other fantasy writers in this respect. The true nature of Gandalf, for example, would be a plot point in another book. In LOTR it is never actually confirmed and without the larger context of the Silmarillion it is basically impossible to understand. He's a wizard who does wizard things at first, but as the story goes on you realize that no, he's more than that, but ultimately the main story never hinges on Gandalf's power, so there is no real plot reason you'd need to understand it. Pretty much all the lore is like this, whereas in most modern fantasy most lore is plot relevant.
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sweet geek swag posted:Tolkien is very different from other fantasy writers in this respect. The true nature of Gandalf, for example, would be a plot point in another book. In LOTR it is never actually confirmed and without the larger context of the Silmarillion it is basically impossible to understand. He's a wizard who does wizard things at first, but as the story goes on you realize that no, he's more than that, but ultimately the main story never hinges on Gandalf's power, so there is no real plot reason you'd need to understand it. Pretty much all the lore is like this, whereas in most modern fantasy most lore is plot relevant. This is why Tolkien's stuff is so engaging imo - and where so much fantasy fails. He gives all of these glimpses at these extensive structures of history and metaphysics but they're all roads that run over the horizon in different directions, down paths that the story doesn't follow, so we can only imagine where that road leads. That's why there are hundreds of thousands of hours of youtube fan theories about this stuff.
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sweet geek swag posted:Tolkien is very different from other fantasy writers in this respect. The true nature of Gandalf, for example, would be a plot point in another book. In LOTR it is never actually confirmed and without the larger context of the Silmarillion it is basically impossible to understand. He's a wizard who does wizard things at first, but as the story goes on you realize that no, he's more than that, but ultimately the main story never hinges on Gandalf's power, so there is no real plot reason you'd need to understand it. Pretty much all the lore is like this, whereas in most modern fantasy most lore is plot relevant. This is also why the "prequel" impulse feels so cargo-culty in some ways: a modern author might throw in an unexplained reference like "Oromë" somewhere as an epic simile or something just because it sounds cool, and then go back years later (when it's time to pay the bills again) and say "Gee you know what, I wish I knew who Oromë was" and will write an entire new book that provides all that backstory and completely changes what it means when you run across "Oromë" in the original text again. (Or, you know, "Anakin Skywalker") Trouble is, that isn't what Tolkien did, he had Oromë all hashed out for decades before LotR was even a glimmer in his eye, and the reference when he tossed it in had all the weight of backstory already behind it in his head. But modern readers might well assume that the Silmarillion stuff was a "prequel" in the modern sense, i.e. written after the fact and intended to cash in on unexplained and barely glimpsed bits and pieces in the main story. It's rare that an actual prequel is as satisfying as that though; and more often than not all you get out of a prequel is "oh so that's how Han Solo met Chewbacca, ok  "
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Tolkien knew that the important thing in his narrative was the story he wanted to tell. He wasn't polluted by disgusting worldly concepts like deadlines or a profit motive.
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A lot of lore is explained in the LoTR poems and songs. Which is one reason I guess no one remembers reading about it.
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Southpaugh posted:Tolkien knew that the important thing in his narrative was the story he wanted to tell. He wasn't polluted by disgusting worldly concepts like deadlines or a profit motive. Come on, I'm trying my best to avoid implying that.
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sweet geek swag posted:Tolkien is very different from other fantasy writers in this respect. The true nature of Gandalf, for example, would be a plot point in another book. In LOTR it is never actually confirmed and without the larger context of the Silmarillion it is basically impossible to understand. He's a wizard who does wizard things at first, but as the story goes on you realize that no, he's more than that, but ultimately the main story never hinges on Gandalf's power, so there is no real plot reason you'd need to understand it. Pretty much all the lore is like this, whereas in most modern fantasy most lore is plot relevant. There's exactly one bit in Minas Tirith where Pippin wonders, for the first time, exactly what Gandalf is, and he never gets an answer.
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Apr 2, 2021 17:00
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He wonders on the horse ride to MT.
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Southpaugh posted:Tolkien knew that the important thing in his narrative was the story he wanted to tell. He wasn't polluted by disgusting worldly concepts like deadlines or a profit motive. This but unironically http://file770.com/tolkien-an-unexpected-sainthood/
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euphronius posted:He wonders on the horse ride to MT. The chapter title is "Minas Tirith" so I am technically correct  .
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Apr 2, 2021 17:58
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Lol fair enough .
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Southpaugh posted:Tolkien knew that the important thing in his narrative was the story he wanted to tell. He wasn't polluted by disgusting worldly concepts like deadlines or a profit motive. The good people at Allen and Unwin penning increasingly polite and frantic deadline reminders as JRRT gravely ponders future tense second person verbs
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Apr 2, 2021 22:39
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Omnomnomnivore posted:The chapter title is "Minas Tirith" so I am technically correct The appropriate smiley.
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Tree Bucket posted:The good people at Allen and Unwin penning increasingly polite and frantic deadline reminders as JRRT gravely ponders future tense second person verbs
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Apr 3, 2021 09:20
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That’s not true at all.
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Apr 3, 2021 12:16
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Before we had word processing, there were these things called "manuscripts". As in, "hand written". With an implement called a "pen". The only way to correct an error was to "strike out" the text and to write a new version in the remaining space (if you had enough foresight to leave any, otherwise you would have to "paste" a new piece of paper over it using "glue"). Or something like that, anyway.
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The more I think about it though, I can’t tell what is more psychotic: reusing your pencilled first draft sheets by writing over them in pen (and amending stuff as you go) to save paper in wartime, or 20-30 years later hunkering over your dad’s 3x-recycled sheets to decode the faded pencil text underlying the pen version like the fuckin Dead Sea Scrolls and publishing 12 volumes of it
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Apr 3, 2021 12:40
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One thing Tolkien would do is write a draft in pencil, then write a second draft over the first in pen. Drove Christopher crazy when he was trying to do the History of Middle-Earth.
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Apr 3, 2021 13:55
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I mean ... yes, that's ...
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I can say with certainty that the most psychotic option is #3, namely creating a youtube channel containing thousands of hours of content wherein you argue with other youtube channels about the lore and canon of those papers.
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Apr 3, 2021 15:09
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Data Graham posted:I mean ... yes, that's ... Sorry about that, I hadn't checked the thread for a while and didn't see your post!
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It's cool, I thought maybe you were doing a really oblique gag about overwriting my post in pen 
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Data Graham posted:It's cool, I thought maybe you were doing a really oblique gag about overwriting my post in pen Now waiting for sweet geek swag to
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Mods change name to Fair Copy “C”
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Zopotantor posted:Now waiting for sweet geek swag to
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I'm the note scribbled in the margin that says "There should not be supposed more than say 3 or at most 7 sweet geek swags ever existed.'
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GimpInBlack posted:I'm the note scribbled in the margin that says "There should not be supposed more than say 3 or at most 7 sweet geek swags ever existed.' That's bullshit. The version of me from the Book of Lost Tales were there are hundreds of me is much better.
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CommonShore posted:This is why Tolkien's stuff is so engaging imo - and where so much fantasy fails. He gives all of these glimpses at these extensive structures of history and metaphysics but they're all roads that run over the horizon in different directions, down paths that the story doesn't follow, so we can only imagine where that road leads. That's why there are hundreds of thousands of hours of youtube fan theories about this stuff. So basically, the world's lore is secondary to to what our character are doing right now. Granted, we still get lore dumps here. I'm so far up to the Hobbits arriving at Brandybuck Hall and we get a complete history of the Hall, it's villages and the Brandybuck family. And now were leaving Brandy Buck and moving into the Old Woods with the creepy trees. I think my favorite aspect so far is the actual "Threat" Of Sauron and his forces are still very distant, vague, and spoken in hushed tones but everyone in the know knows something super bad is about to happen. So far our only representation of him are the Black Riders who we don't see a lot of. We are not getting Frodo coming into the Shire one day and seeing Orks killing everyone and burning the place down. Just Gandalf showing up one day and saying "Hey Frodo, that ring of yours? We gotta get rid of it. Head to Rivendale and we will figure out our plan there." BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Apr 5, 2021 |
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Soviet TV version of Lord of the Rings rediscovered after 30 years First episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vquKyNdgH3s They left Tom Bomabdil in! Anyone here understand Russian?
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Omnomnomnivore posted:Soviet TV version of Lord of the Rings rediscovered after 30 years Whoa, neat. Should double-feature this with the Finnish tv LOTR
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Omnomnomnivore posted:Soviet TV version of Lord of the Rings rediscovered after 30 years 
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Based on only those two screenshots, having not yet clicked, this version must own bones cause that's a rockin' Bombadil
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Bright blue his jacket is not
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tiny brain: Durin's Bane has wings huge brain: Durin's Bane has no wings galaxy brain: Durin's Bane does not appear on-screen
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Universe Brain: Durin's Bane has wings, but did not use them in the confrontation with the Fellowship
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