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The Colonel posted:
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GorfZaplen posted:Lol I somehow forget every time that it was about Darling in the Franxx It was lightning rod of a show I guess
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GorfZaplen posted:Lol I somehow forget every time that it was about Darling in the Franxx
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Endorph posted:sometimes i forget darling in the franxx, in general But how could you forget such memorable characters like uh, that lesbian girl, the two who got married, and the chick with the horns? What about the doggy style cockpits?
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drat I need to check this show out
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it's telling that little witch academia got in srw before franxx did, or gently caress, any of the out there picks
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https://twitter.com/rolandkelts/status/1379612313834057728?s=20 As if the problem is a lack of education and not the industry being a loving meat grinder that burns everyone out at 25.
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Willo567 posted:it's telling that little witch academia got in srw before franxx did, or gently caress, any of the out there picks Waffleman_ posted:https://twitter.com/rolandkelts/status/1379612313834057728?s=20 of course more pay would also draw more people into the industry, but still Endorph fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Apr 7, 2021 |
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Waffleman_ posted:https://twitter.com/rolandkelts/status/1379612313834057728?s=20 And that it severely underpays its staff.  Though I will say that having an easier pathway towards a career in animation, if that is your dream, is indeed a good thing. It's just that this is a stop gap that doesn't solve most of the fundamental underlying issues. A startling tidbit from that article: quote:Overall, the domestic industry produces around 300 titles annually. Roughly 200 animators are needed to create each title. Even generous estimates peg the total number of working animators in Japan at 5,000 to 6,000. The math is ominous.
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Endorph posted:franxx will absolutely be in a mainline srw at some point. Probably means it'll have a better story at least
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Apr 7, 2021 13:51
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GorfZaplen posted:sometimes I forget grouchio has only watched like three anime and barely e ngages with this hobby that he's based his entire identity around lol
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Endorph posted:sometimes i forget darling in the franxx, in general lucky
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I thought the problem with the anime industry is that margins are so tight that they either underpay people or go bankrupt, so I'm not sure what adding more animators to the situation is going to accomplish. They already know these people are willing to work themselves to death and with a bigger supply they can also cut wages while working them the same amount. That's my kneejerk reaction, thanks for listening.
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animator academy programs are good for the industry, i think the problem is just that wit is not a studio i would trust with one
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Captain Cappy posted:I thought the problem with the anime industry is that margins are so tight that they either underpay people or go bankrupt, so I'm not sure what adding more animators to the situation is going to accomplish. They already know these people are willing to work themselves to death and with a bigger supply they can also cut wages while working them the same amount. That's my kneejerk reaction, thanks for listening. i thought anime mostly made money from merch (and it was a lot of money)?
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Captain Cappy posted:I thought the problem with the anime industry is that margins are so tight that they either underpay people or go bankrupt, so I'm not sure what adding more animators to the situation is going to accomplish. They already know these people are willing to work themselves to death and with a bigger supply they can also cut wages while working them the same amount. That's my kneejerk reaction, thanks for listening.
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marumaru posted:i thought anime mostly made money from merch (and it was a lot of money)? however, the people actually *making* the anime, receive none of these profits. that is why the margins are tight. 90% of the profit is given to people and companies entirely unrelated to the actual core product. furthermore, the thing with merch and such is that to turn a profit on them, there needs to be a decently sized fanbase. the people are not beating at the doors of akihabara storefronts for, iunno, granbelm merchandise (sadly). so literally no one made any money off granbelm. look at how much anime gets produced each year. 300. can you even name 300 anime period? heck, can you name 50 anime that aired last year, much less 300? the vast majority of anime that exist are just glorified ads for their source light novels/games/manga/etc, and have about as much of a budget as your average commercial - just stretched over 24 minutes instead of 24 seconds. the ads might work on a few people, but most peoples eyes just glaze past them, and they're quickly forgotten. so you have a situation where the companies making the anime see almost none of the profit, and where most of the anime that exist aren't making a profit to begin with. Endorph fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Apr 7, 2021 |
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Endorph posted:however, the people actually *making* the anime, receive none of these profits. that's capitalism baby
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marumaru posted:that's capitalism baby no i mean even the execs of the anime studios make none of the money either. like not even a 'workers are being exploited' thing, even the guy exploiting the workers directly isnt seeing much of the money. the moneys going to the guys exploiting the guy exploiting the animators.
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incidentally, this is also why kyoto animation was shifting to their in-house light novel contests. they owned the light novels, so they got the money from the boost in sales of the light novels. they owned the ip, so they were the ones licensing out the merch. beyond the boundary and myriad colors werent huge successes or anything but kyoani made way more off them than they did something like dragon maid.
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Endorph posted:no i mean even the execs of the anime studios make none of the money either. like not even a 'workers are being exploited' thing, even the guy exploiting the workers directly isnt seeing much of the money. the moneys going to the guys exploiting the guy exploiting the animators. wait what? how are they not making money from licensed merch and events?
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marumaru posted:wait what? Generally when they get a contract/agreement to work on an existing IP, the cash investment to actually produce those animations come from an executive committee of investors, and in exchange they essentially get all of the profits via merchandise. Residuals are fairly small or non-existent.
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marumaru posted:wait what? in the case of original anime they do make some money, but you'll notice original anime isnt nearly as common as anime based on something. the company that produced the transformers commercial doesnt make money if you buy an optimus prime figure.
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the production committee gets all the revenue, the anime studio is just a contractor unless they're on the production committee. and even when they are they're usually behind like 8 other companies so they get a tiny piece of the pie.
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ah, of course. i forgot that they often don't own the IP. thanks!
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The entire amount of money that an animation studio will often ever see from the production of an anime is just the production budget. This is why it was funny when David Productions did Neptunia after Jojo and people were coping by saying "Oh they'll use the money to make Stardust Crusaders even better"
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kirbysuperstar posted:It's not the same without sixty animated gifs Sigs off crew
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Endorph posted:they dont own the ip. they dont make the merch. they don't host the events. why would they make money? Is it just a lack of capital to do original series?
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Wark can you make a sticky bulletin warning about discussing Attack on Titan final Chapter spoilers outside of the AOT thread?
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Better get my big spoiler posts in while I still can
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Endorph posted:no i mean even the execs of the anime studios make none of the money either. like not even a 'workers are being exploited' thing, even the guy exploiting the workers directly isnt seeing much of the money. the moneys going to the guys exploiting the guy exploiting the animators. thats just capitalist accumulation.
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Grouchio posted:Wark can you make a sticky bulletin warning about discussing Attack on Titan final Chapter spoilers outside of the AOT thread?
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Wark Say posted:If people waltz into the anime thread or any other threads dropping spoilers of that caliber, just report them.
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Can't believe Eren and Armin ended up together.
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Sakurazuka posted:Sigs off crew
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