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Ponsonby Britt posted:I dunno, what if Serini's invisible partner is Darkseid? It would explain why she's so accepting about the world literally being dominated by anti-life.
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Toplowtech posted:Is his sofa legendary or just really rare? Or is it artifact level? He doesn't have a sofa. That's why he uses other people's.
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Apr 7, 2021 08:44
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Schwarzwald posted:I don't think having your mind altered to be obedient is "freedom," exactly. I was thinking about his crippling sunk-cost fallacy if he doesn't remember sinking any costs; he would be free to approach the situation with fresh eyes instead of being chained to a course of action that he may not even want anymore. Amnesia (by itself) wouldn't compel obedience; but it would clear out the obstacles that prevent a truly free choice.
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Apr 7, 2021 15:20
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World Famous W posted:Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose
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Rogue AI Goddess posted:Nod, get treat. Greyview and Oona are such fun characters that I'm kind of sad they are being introduced so late in the narrative.
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TheAceOfLungs posted:I was thinking about his crippling sunk-cost fallacy if he doesn't remember sinking any costs; he would be free to approach the situation with fresh eyes instead of being chained to a course of action that he may not even want anymore. Amnesia (by itself) wouldn't compel obedience; but it would clear out the obstacles that prevent a truly free choice. And then just as he’s about to finally agree to team up against Xykon, something or someone comes along that jogs his memory and he veers back towards the Plan again... Or he’s forced to confront the conclusions that he came to during the time where he lost those parts of his memory, and finally realizes that he can learn to let go of the guilt he’s been burdening himself with, or something along those lines, and accept that not every death or sacrifice in pursuit of a cause is always going to pan out.
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I hope Rich is ok... Jeez, I'm gonna be a wreck once the next battle scene starts. The wait between updates is killing me now that it feels like we're getting to a climax with Xykon and Redcloak (or possibly Serini). Doesn't the amnesia potion thing seem pretty shortsighted for an epic rogue? I'm not sure what the plan is exactly, but it feels like, even if she gets everyone there with the potion and makes them forget about the gates, there are still other people that will remind them what they were supposed to be doing. Can you reverse the effects of an amnesia potion with Dispel or something?
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Apr 10, 2021 15:59
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Phenotype posted:I hope Rich is ok... The point of the amnesia potion wasn't to make them forget about the gates entirely - it was to convince them that they didn't find the gate in that location and therefore must look elsewhere. She said that the effect would be that "you'll forget ever seeing me or this place, and you'll report back to your boss that you looked high and low and couldn't find anything". In other words, it wouldn't entirely wipe their memories of everything to do with the gate, or wipe away months of character progress. It'd just muddle their memories of finding and monitoring the gate, allowing her to misdirect them into searching away from the Gate in basically the same way that the very final defense on Girard's Gate tried to do.
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Apr 10, 2021 19:22
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She's epic level and not a PC. She can make her potions do whatever she wants, she's been at it long enough. It's clearly worked well enough so far.
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Apr 11, 2021 00:19
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nimby posted:She's epic level and not a PC. She can make her potions do whatever she wants, she's been at it long enough. It's clearly worked well enough so far. It's funny, because normally you need to know a requisite spell to craft a potion that does the same thing. The only spell that resembles the effect she describes is Modify Memory. Does this mean Serini has 10 levels in Bard?  (obviously plot > rulebook but it's fun to try and fit the story into the rules sometimes)
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Apr 11, 2021 01:04
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:It's funny, because normally you need to know a requisite spell to craft a potion that does the same thing. The only spell that resembles the effect she describes is Modify Memory. Does this mean Serini has 10 levels in Bard? As someone who asks these questions constantly, this is exactly what was wrong with 3E D&D.
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Apr 11, 2021 01:10
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Creating magic items should not require knowing how to cast a spell and I don't think they fixed that in later editions
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I can see where that logic is for magic items just from a gameplay mechanics standpoint it's a simple way for a dungeon master to keep player characters from beelining for bags of holding or what have you. But potions should definitely be an exception to that rule imo and of course here story concerns are way more important.
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:It's funny, because normally you need to know a requisite spell to craft a potion that does the same thing. The only spell that resembles the effect she describes is Modify Memory. Does this mean Serini has 10 levels in Bard? I am 90% sure that pot she's using is meant to be some Homebrewed magic item to allow making potions as a not spellcaster.
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The amnesia potion doesn't matter. It's either narratively important, and then that's bad and therefore doesn't matter. Or its not narratively important, which in case it doesn't matter.
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Dr Pepper posted:I am 90% sure that pot she's using is meant to be some Homebrewed magic item to allow making potions as a not spellcaster. Well, duh, she's brewing it at home.
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Apr 12, 2021 12:55
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Rich status: okay #1231: Technically Still Changes Minds
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Apr 12, 2021 13:40
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:Rich status: okay Is that world a reference to something?
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Apr 12, 2021 13:42
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e X posted:Is that world a reference to something? I'm guessing a reference to Discworld. "Terry Pratchett's Men at Arms posted:Retrophrenology:
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e X posted:Is that world a reference to something? the world of my meat i beat it and it changes my mind
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Apr 12, 2021 14:06
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When all you have is a nail... Nale?
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Apr 12, 2021 14:26
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We ain't got a Nale anymore
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Apr 12, 2021 15:28
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e X posted:Is that world a reference to something? I don't know if it's a reference to versions of the game where "intimidation", as a skill, existed. Or maybe it's a ref to some sort of Toon thing, from Steve Jackson Games? Or it's just a funny thing in itself, expanding from calling Gunboat Diplomacy "Warhammer Diplomacy" instead.
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I've suspected for a while that Odin isn't actually as addled as he seems (cue Shojo's theme) and is actually giving direct advice but speaking in scrambled sentences. "When all you have is a nail, every solution starts to look like a hammer" seems to me to be pretty direct advice to Durkon to reconsider his approach. To wit, if you have a nail, you'd figure "I should use solution X to pound it into place" but perhaps solution X is actually a solution, you just don't use it to pound the nail into place. In fact the very next panel has Durkon saying "Ye cannae truly change someone's mind by hittin' 'em."
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Apr 12, 2021 15:33
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Cup Runneth Over posted:We ain't got a Nale anymore But does Redcloak know that? If Elan walks up to him wearing a fake goatee... I'm assuming Redcloak knows who Nale is because team evil originally hired them way back at the beginning.
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ConfusedUs posted:But does Redcloak know that? If Elan walks up to him wearing a fake goatee... You really think Redcloak cares enough to remember some human cannon fodder?
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Apr 12, 2021 15:51
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Thor’s ringtone is Can’t touch this - Hammer time 
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killerwhat posted:Thor’s ringtone is Can’t touch this - Hammer time Not just that - that's Thor's ringtone *for Durkon*. He set a special one so that he wouldn't miss his calls!
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ConfusedUs posted:When all you have is a nail... I'm not sure if Durkon can hear Odin's words, but if he can I'm not sure he's going to repeat verbatim everything.
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Johnny Aztec posted:You really think Redcloak cares enough to remember some human cannon fodder? He might pretend he doesn't but Redcloak is an intensely detail oriented person.
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reignofevil posted:He might pretend he doesn't but Redcloak is an intensely detail oriented person. He did forget the exact significance as to why Greenhilt is the larger threat than the Paladins. He doesn't remember everything, but more a vague gist. However I'm not sure if this could help because its a huge risk to try again with Xykon around, two clerics have a lot easier time escaping from Xykon than a bard.
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reignofevil posted:He might pretend he doesn't but Redcloak is an intensely detail oriented person. I mean, what is Nale to redcloak? A mercenary team they hired to find Dourkan's talisman. He is just going to see: A Human where there shouldn't be any humans, and/or The Bard in a lovely disguise. Nale meant nothing, and means nothing to Redcloak. also, if only Elan had some more Potions of Bluff around,to give to Haley, we could have had this fixed already. Wonder how high a DC it'd take to convince a hostile Redcloak.
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Raenir Salazar posted:He did forget the exact significance as to why Greenhilt is the larger threat than the Paladins. I mean, MitD's logic was sound. From their perspective, the paladins do seem like a bigger threat even given all the information about Roy.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:We ain't got a Nale anymore Come to think of it, this is very relevant here, in that it led to a very pissed-off Sabine. Who's off on mystery business related to a separate evil plot, which will pretty much have to show up soon since there's not much story left. And about the only thing we know about that evil plot so far is that it involves engineering the destruction of the Gates - something that both Redcloak and Serini absolutely oppose at all costs.
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Rich made a comment in book 1 about how Sabine and Haley are opposites in a way that wasn't so obvious. If that's going to come in to play--and how could it not?--then it's going to be soon.
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LashLightning posted:I don't know if it's a reference to versions of the game where "intimidation", as a skill, existed. Or maybe it's a ref to some sort of Toon thing, from Steve Jackson Games? Or it's just a funny thing in itself, expanding from calling Gunboat Diplomacy "Warhammer Diplomacy" instead. I think it's both the first and last of those, at the very least
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LashLightning posted:I don't know if it's a reference to versions of the game where "intimidation", as a skill, existed. That'd be weird considering that the version they're in is one of those versions.
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ultrafilter posted:Rich made a comment in book 1 about how Sabine and Haley are opposites in a way that wasn't so obvious. If that's going to come in to play--and how could it not?--then it's going to be soon. I think he answered in a Q&A that it referred to their loyalties. Haley pretended to be a licensed member of the thieves' guild but was actually a free agent, and Sabine pretended to be a free agent but was actually working for the IFCC.
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nimby posted:I'm guessing a reference to Discworld. Pretty sure it isn't, because Rich hasn't read Discworld. Not only that, but he actively avoids reading it because he doesn't want to be influenced.
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Pretty sure Odin's remark there is about Redcloak's state of mind. The nail is Redcloak's grievance and his mission - in the original cliche, "nails" are problems. Every solution looks like a hammer meaning that every solution seems bad to him, because having the nail is more important to him than... I guess the overall carpentry project in this metaphor. Allowing any of the hammers to hit the nail might be good for the stability of the project, but it does mean you have to give up the nail. And the nail... is all he has. His entire life, right down to his name itself, has been about The Plan. He can't give it up. Or I'm reading way too much into it.
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