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Thundarr posted:A universe without time is one that can never change. Entropy, disorder, chaos (aspected or otherwise) cannot exist there. Given the present situations of our protagonists, that seems like reason enough to want Jags to not succeed. I don't think he's gonna be talked down from his position in under a minute, though.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Sever case of "dont know what to do with my hands, especially now I have 3 pairs, one of which is extra long" Spiders at least busy themselves by using 3 of their 4 pairs of limbs to walk.
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Apr 7, 2021 17:09
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They should just show Jagg's the Wednesday bat meme, that'll sort this right quick
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Apr 7, 2021 17:11
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I assume the kind of 'without time' Jagganoth means is a world not frozen, but radically freed from linear time; change can occur but you can simply step back before that change. It's a not an unheard-of eschatology, that in the perfected world time will have no power, that liberation is to escape the grip of time.
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Guildenstern Mother posted:Now for the real debate, which of the three is influencing the jojo posing? Seems like some WC kinda drama, but I can see Cio voting yes on it, overruling Allison who knows how anime it looks. WC's been doing it by accident for a while now so it has to be her
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Joe Slowboat posted:I assume the kind of 'without time' Jagganoth means is a world not frozen, but radically freed from linear time; change can occur but you can simply step back before that change. It's a not an unheard-of eschatology, that in the perfected world time will have no power, that liberation is to escape the grip of time. Entropy requires that time has a direction. If everybody could just re-aim time's arrow at will from their perspective then it would do weird things to their ability to interact with anything outside of themselves, creating a new sort of prison! Or else such a universe would operate in such a profoundly different way from ours that somebody from our universe could never understand it, which would mean Jags has no idea what he's working towards despite being 100% convinced that it would be better than the status quo. Or maybe he's just going to turn everybody into happy little beams of light because time has no meaning when you're a photon. 
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Apr 7, 2021 17:39
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Thundarr posted:Entropy requires that time has a direction. If everybody could just re-aim time's arrow at will from their perspective then it would do weird things to their ability to interact with anything outside of themselves, creating a new sort of prison! Physics isn't real in this comic already. Soul-flame is real. Atum, not atoms. If you argue 'life without time is incomprehensible from our perspective' you don't need to frame it in terms of laws of physics that already apply 0% to the larger cosmos.
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Apr 7, 2021 17:45
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If the time-loop fan theory is correct, then he might be talking about that particular prison.
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Apr 7, 2021 17:56
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Fair, though most things are still happening in a way that we can make sense of because the setting functions mostly like our world does. Just with a lot more anime fights between gods, angels, devils, and noodle aficionados. Mostly I'm just curious how a timeless universe would be conveyed in the comic. I'm interested to find out even though we probably don't want events to actually play out that way.
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Apr 7, 2021 18:01
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Rogue AI Goddess posted:If the time-loop fan theory is correct, then he might be talking about that particular prison. yeah that's a pretty good point, if Allison is actually just the latest Conquering King in an actual neverending loop, destroying time (in a certain sense) could be good i feel like he's being more literal though
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Apr 7, 2021 18:06
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Gonna be a real shock when it turns out Abbadon has been setting us up for hardcore Calvinist/Determinist predestination.
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Apr 7, 2021 18:20
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Jadis the hardcore Calvinist.
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habeasdorkus posted:Gonna be a real shock when it turns out Abbadon has been setting us up for hardcore Calvinist/Determinist predestination. the final boss is the Apostle Paul
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Thundarr posted:Fair, though most things are still happening in a way that we can make sense of because the setting functions mostly like our world does. Just with a lot more anime fights between gods, angels, devils, and noodle aficionados. So the Godtime from glorantha.
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Speaking of Jojo I'm getting BIG FATHER PUCCI VIBES from this page. Is Jag's secret power [ MADE IN HEAVEN? ] Grouchio fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Apr 7, 2021 |
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Apr 7, 2021 19:06
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Thundarr posted:Fair, though most things are still happening in a way that we can make sense of because the setting functions mostly like our world does. Just with a lot more anime fights between gods, angels, devils, and noodle aficionados. Sure, but nothing about entropy is strictly required for our world to exist like it does, though entropy is in fact fundamental to it. Ancient cultures perceived the same general world as we do, in terms of personal experience. I imagine a timeless world would, in a comic, look a lot like cubism.
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Thundarr posted:
Maybe for you but Jaggs is really smart. Rigged Death Trap posted:So the Godtime from glorantha. Yes. A thing that also super sucked for mortals.
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Apr 7, 2021 19:28
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quote:YISUN was questioned once by their disciples at their speaking house. The questions were the following: Jagganoth has identified the problem and does not plan to kindly ignore it.
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Apr 7, 2021 19:53
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Tulip posted:Maybe for you but Jaggs is That's right, Jagganoth is voiced by Mark Wahlberg
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Apr 7, 2021 19:58
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Rogue AI Goddess posted:If the time-loop fan theory is correct, then he might be talking about that particular prison. It's this. He's not trying to destroy linear time, he's trying to destroy cyclical time. ...which, unless this is the first cycle he became aware of the problem, means he's already tried and failed before. Probably tried to explain all this to the other demiurges before, too.
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Apr 7, 2021 20:33
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What is the best way to catch up on the time loop fan theory? I guess I hadn't heard that one previously.
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Apr 7, 2021 21:08
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Considering the proto-comic had Zoss's role taken by Literally Nietzsche, some eternal return isn't out of the question. Allison's gonna rebuke Jagganoth with the anime speech equivalent of Amor fati.
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Thundarr posted:What is the best way to catch up on the time loop fan theory? I guess I hadn't heard that one previously. I don't know that I'd call it a fan theory at this point; 6 Juggernaut basically spells it out here.
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Apr 7, 2021 21:29
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'Spin the wheel and laugh at god' is the name of a red art in the Broken Worlds RPG that rewinds time as well.
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Apr 7, 2021 21:39
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:I don't know that I'd call it a fan theory at this point; 6 Juggernaut basically spells it out here. Also comments by Zoss
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Apr 7, 2021 22:05
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it's still up in the air whether characters are speaking metaphorically in a cycle-of-violence sort of way or about a literal time loop
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ATP_Power posted:'Spin the wheel and laugh at god' is the name of a red art in the Broken Worlds RPG that rewinds time as well. and you can take it at level one! broken worlds gets batshit in very short order
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If time is cyclical, it looks like the cycle is 'Zoss goes back in time to personally set the wheel straight, again and again, ultimately decides this will never work and hands his key to an idiot from Earth, we are now in the Earth Idiot Timeline' However, Jagganoth's problem is with pain, suffering, and loss. Time doesn't need to be cyclical to make that a problem or indeed a quality of time. Moreover, Nietzsche's Eternal Return was as much a thought experiment about having only one life to live - if you were forced to do your entire life over again exactly as you had it for eternity, that's precisely how important your choices already are: This is all of time to you. (Later writings point to him entertaining the idea of literal eternal recurrence). So, even if time is merely one-way, Allison's amor fati is a decent response to Jagganoth and Incubus' various brands of nihilism or desperate cosmicidal rage.
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:It's this. He's not trying to destroy linear time, he's trying to destroy cyclical time. Right, and now (?) the anomaly that is Allison is running around. Jaggs has never had the Zoss key.
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https://twitter.com/Orbitaldropkick/status/1380175033436356610?s=19
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Apr 8, 2021 16:13
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Very cool but I've had a figurine of Ciocie Ciolle for a while now
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Apr 8, 2021 16:45
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Phy posted:Very cool but I've had a figurine of Ciocie Ciolle for a while now Ah but that's Ciocie Ciolle Classic, you want the New Cio.
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Apr 8, 2021 22:12
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That's a lot of statue.
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Thundarr posted:Or else such a universe would operate in such a profoundly different way from ours that somebody from our universe could never understand it, which would mean Jags has no idea what he's working towards despite being 100% convinced that it would be better than the status quo. 
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Any idea what the pricing on that Cio statue will be? It looked like none of that company's 1/6 resin lines have price info yet.
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wdarkk posted:Any idea what the pricing on that Cio statue will be? It looked like none of that company's 1/6 resin lines have price info yet. I got a 1/6" scale Toothless a few years ago for 250$us, and it's wonderful, but yeah, poo poo's expensive.
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I was thinking a 1/6 of cio would be too big but that's a little under a foot.
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OgreNoah posted:I got a 1/6" scale Toothless a few years ago for 250$us, and it's wonderful, but yeah, poo poo's expensive. Yeah that’s what I’m afraid of, at that price level it competes with things that are also really awesome.
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