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I watched 'The Thaw', which I realised I wasn't actually sure if I'd ever seen (pre-Seven Voyager blends together somewhat). Turned out to be a good ep, but the ending would have been so much more powerful if it had been Janeway herself rather than a hologram copy - use some technobabble about her using a neural link to control it or whatever. Having your hero terrify the embodiment of fear itself and end with "I'm afraid..."/"I know" would have been incredibly badass.
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Payndz posted:I watched 'The Thaw', which I realised I wasn't actually sure if I'd ever seen (pre-Seven Voyager blends together somewhat). Turned out to be a good ep, but the ending would have been so much more powerful if it had been Janeway herself rather than a hologram copy - use some technobabble about her using a neural link to control it or whatever. Having your hero terrify the embodiment of fear itself and end with "I'm afraid..."/"I know" would have been incredibly badass. I mean I thought it was just a projection of her so essentially it was. And also just more evidence that Janeway is evil.
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Apr 7, 2021 17:17
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Eimi posted:I mean I thought it was just a projection of her so essentially it was. And also just more evidence that Janeway is evil. She became an Admiral of course she's evil.
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Apr 7, 2021 17:27
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Angry_Ed posted:She became an Admiral of course she's evil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0lZytCblEE This is canon in my heart. Because remember, Janeway is not just an admiral, but one of the highest ranking admirals they've shown.
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Apr 7, 2021 17:36
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Angry_Ed posted:She became an Admiral of course she's evil. she used time travel to destroy the federation and created the dystopia we saw in picard
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Apr 7, 2021 23:05
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Eimi posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0lZytCblEE I know this is common practice and all because of maintaining continuity between takes, but I never before noticed that Picard pulls an empty mug from replicator (and then sips from said empty mug). Oh, Nemesis, the depths of your laziness never end.
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Apr 7, 2021 23:36
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Does it ever strike you that Geordi La Forge is a ridiculous name?
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Apr 8, 2021 00:23
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Arglebargle III posted:Does it ever strike you that Geordi La Forge is a ridiculous name? "Gene Roddenberry created the character in honor of George La Forge, a quadriplegic fan of the original Star Trek series, who died in 1975."
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Apr 8, 2021 00:27
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Is Burnham a reference to steamed hams???
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Apr 8, 2021 00:36
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Nitrousoxide posted:Is Burnham a reference to steamed hams??? ...........................no.
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Apr 8, 2021 01:32
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Didn't you Say Steamed Clams? I thought we were having Steam Clams.
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Apr 8, 2021 01:40
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It's a Betazoid expression
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Apr 8, 2021 01:53
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Well I'm from the Fifth House, and I've never heard anyone use the phrase "Steamed Hams."
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Apr 8, 2021 02:26
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Oh not in the Fifth House no, it's a Sacred Rings expression.
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Apr 8, 2021 04:04
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The Nexus?! In this quadrant, on this stardate, in the middle of a starship, localized entirely within your quarters? Yes! I must see it! NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *smash* Jean-Luc! Time is the fire in which we burn! No, Soran, it's just an energy ribbon
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Apr 8, 2021 12:23
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Nitrousoxide posted:Is Burnham a reference to steamed hams??? I’m still waiting for them to somehow link “The Burn” with “Burnham” because the name is similar and it would be the absolute laziest writing I’ve come to expect from Disco
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They probably thought they were being clever by not linking Burnham to The Burn.
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Apr 8, 2021 13:12
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She did loving cause it though. If she didn't go and save Saru's people in series 2, they would still be enslaved and not star faring. Burnham is the cause of everything. She was the one who hosed up the meeting with the first Klingon and caused a massive war. She was the one who created the red signals and created Control as a by product. She set it up so the Burn could happen as I said above. I'm looking forward to how she ends up creating this 5 light year spanning intelligent black hole or whatever the gently caress it is. And then is hailed a saviour again for fixing it.
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Apr 8, 2021 19:19
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happyhippy posted:She did loving cause it though. So if I stop someone from getting hit by a car, and then fifty years from now their grandkid murders someone, I'm on the hook for that?
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Apr 8, 2021 20:00
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Isn’t...isn’t that the basis for non interference? That kind of a big part of trek. Even if it is kind of dumb
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blastron posted:So if I stop someone from getting hit by a car, and then fifty years from now their grandkid murders someone, I'm on the hook for that? "Responsible for" and "caused" are two different things. Truman's decision not to invade Japan may have caused me to be here, because there's a reasonable chance that my grandfather could have died in Operation Coronet. But, Truman isn't responsible for my actions.
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Apr 8, 2021 20:06
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happyhippy posted:She did loving cause it though. I realize that complaining about every single thing Burnham does is a sacred pastime in the various Trek threads, but uh wow this is some take
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If you’re defining “Michael caused the Burn” as “Michael took any action at all that was part of the causal chain that led to the Burn”, then literally everyone notable caused the Burn. Saru caused the Burn because he exposed the Ba’ul’s lies and uplifted his people. (That entire episode, incidentally, was driven by Saru, not Michael.) Prime Georgiou caused the Burn by rescuing Saru in the first place, which had nothing to do with Michael at all! I get that it’s fun to dunk on a show you don’t like but Michael didn’t cause the Burn.
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Apr 8, 2021 20:25
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I mean by Star tracks own logic she definitely caused it. It’s dumb but to be consistent that’s how it works in that universe
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Apr 8, 2021 20:38
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Timby posted:I know this is common practice and all because of maintaining continuity between takes, but I never before noticed that Picard pulls an empty mug from replicator (and then sips from said empty mug). Oh, Nemesis, the depths of your laziness never end. I see this sort of thing all the time when I'm watching TV. It's really egregious when someone has one of those disposable coffee cups with the lid and when they set it down it makes an audibly empty clunk sound.
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Apr 8, 2021 20:40
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So now that we know how the future is from DISCO, does anything Star Trek Picard does matter because you fukken know they are going to write another THREAT TO THE GALAXY THAT MUST BE SOLVED and that will be the basis for the entire season that they write backwards from. They somehow went from having Discovery be a lovely prequel to now forcing everything else be a lovely prequel to Discovery. Edit: I forgot to say which series would write that but it doesn’t matter because both will
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Apr 8, 2021 20:45
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blastron posted:If you’re defining “Michael caused the Burn” as “Michael took any action at all that was part of the causal chain that led to the Burn”, then literally everyone notable caused the Burn. Saru caused the Burn because he exposed the Ba’ul’s lies and uplifted his people. (That entire episode, incidentally, was driven by Saru, not Michael.) Prime Georgiou caused the Burn by rescuing Saru in the first place, which had nothing to do with Michael at all! She didn't cause it yet. Just kidding, they aren't going to go back to a solved plot.
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Apr 8, 2021 20:47
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I think the Prime Directive allows interference if a non spacefaring race is actively being interfered with already by another spacefaring race. Like freeing Bajor from the Cardassians
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I think the Prime Directive allows interference if a non spacefaring race is actively being interfered with already by another spacefaring race. Like freeing Bajor from the Cardassians
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I think the Prime Directive allows interference if a non spacefaring race is actively being interfered with already by another spacefaring race. Like freeing Bajor from the Cardassians Bajor was space-faring before they were invaded by the Spoonheads. efb
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Apr 8, 2021 20:58
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blastron posted:So if I stop someone from getting hit by a car, and then fifty years from now their grandkid murders someone, I'm on the hook for that? Listen, Jack, Edith Keeler must die, okay?
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Nessus posted:Bajor had warp drive, they were just beat to hell and occupied. Like if Earth had been occupied by the Vulcans or Andorians or something. "Having warp drive or its equivalent" is their threshold but I imagine the Federation would have had a different tack if Bajor had been freed as, say, part of the war settlement with Cardassia and just incidentally was now in Federation territory. I'm sure the Bajorans think they had warp drive before the occupation
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CPColin posted:Listen, Jack, Edith Keeler must die, okay? But they'll end up with Wacky Space Hitler.
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Burning_Monk posted:Bajor was space-faring before they were invaded by the Spoonheads. Since I started on DS9 one of my favorite episodes so far is “Explorers,” where Sisko reconstructs and sails an ancient Bajoran solar sailing ship. At the end thanks to trek space magic Ben and Jake end up at Cardassia, and the Cardassians recognize his achievement by revealing the Cardassians “recently” discovered the wreckage of an ancient Bajoran ship, proving they had interstellar travel and first contact centuries ago. They’re all “Hey what a coinkydink, we found this wreckage on Cardassia that supports what you did literally just now, imagine the timing!” Lol.
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I think everyone is getting confused. See Micheal Burnham didn't cause anything she just is tangentially related to everything in star trek universe. Like if there is a major thing that is going to occur she will have been related in some way to it cause the writers don't know how to write a compelling character who is super smart. Instead they write someone who just happens to be X and thus has the secret to Y. It was most blatant with the time jump. She immediately meets book who just so happens to be able to get her information about the federation and also set off the conflict with what will become the big bad. Can't just disagree with the Orion alliance ideologically no she has to have physically wronged them so they are noticed.
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Rob Rockley posted:Since I started on DS9 one of my favorite episodes so far is “Explorers,” where Sisko reconstructs and sails an ancient Bajoran solar sailing ship. At the end thanks to trek space magic Ben and Jake end up at Cardassia, and the Cardassians recognize his achievement by revealing the Cardassians “recently” discovered the wreckage of an ancient Bajoran ship, proving they had interstellar travel and first contact centuries ago. They’re all “Hey what a coinkydink, we found this wreckage on Cardassia that supports what you did literally just now, imagine the timing!” Lol. It's a great episode with solid memes, like *Hammock Time* and O'Brien and Bashir singing "Jerusalem". Cardassian's pulling the archeology site out once shown their rear end was a nice touch into their personality.
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The Federation didn't free Bajor from the Cardassians, except incidentally. I don't think it was actually part of the Fed-Card war, was it? It's just that Bajor was getting to be more trouble than it was worth to an occupying force dealing with war on a few fronts and they decided to ditch.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean by Star tracks own logic she definitely caused it. It’s dumb but to be consistent that’s how it works in that universe Yeah, Burnham breaks the Temporal and the regular Prime Directive at the same time and the long chain of causality results in the Burn.
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HopperUK posted:The Federation didn't free Bajor from the Cardassians, except incidentally. I don't think it was actually part of the Fed-Card war, was it? It's just that Bajor was getting to be more trouble than it was worth to an occupying force dealing with war on a few fronts and they decided to ditch. The Cardassians only left Bajor in 2369, immediately before DS9 begins. So yeah, the occupation and accompanying holocaust is going on while everyone's yucking it up on TNG.
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More Like Dukat was trying to help the poor savage Bajorans modernize, but they rejected his gift and spat at it! I mean really the real crime is the lost chance for peaceful integration 
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