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i'm sure you all will be shocked by this poll https://twitter.com/LucasGold06/status/1379834041696985090 InsertPotPun posted:so...why...why the "that's not infrastructure!!" squealing?? like...it doesn't have to be infrastructure so who cares? it's like saying "that's not gardening!!" because infrastructure, at least thus far, hasn't been demonized and is considered good and popular by normal people. by complaining that it's not an infrastructure bill, they're trying to make voters think it's not going toward fixing roads but obamaphones and crack money instead.
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I donno what Manchin wants and apparently he doesn't, either. He wanted a talking filibuster, now he doesn't. He was okay with reconciliation, then he wasn't. Whatever. It's up to senators to stop him from voting down things that help him personally and his state that he has indicated before he wants to see. Grondoth fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Apr 8, 2021 |
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Grondoth posted:They want to replace your lead pipes and pay for replacing your windows, those monsters A babysitter watching PATRIOT KIDS alone heard some rustling upstairs. Thinking the PATRIOT KIDS were having nightmares of socialism, she rushed to check on them. The sounds led her to the attic, where she saw a Puerto Rican Congresswoman installing energy-efficient insulation. Confused, she called the parents to let them know that everything was alright, but the Puerto Rican Congresswoman was working late. The PATRIOT PARENTS intoned seriously, "Get out of the house, we don't have a Puerto Rican Congresswoman. We're calling the police." The Boys in Blue told the family that if they hadn't caught the fiend, their heating bill in winter would only be half as patriotic.
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Grondoth posted:I donno what Manchin wants and apparently he doesn't, either. He wanted a talking filibuster, now he doesn't. He was okay with reconciliation, then he wasn't. i dont think he will vote against the infrastructure or popular poo poo like that. but he will make alot of noise about it. i hate the loving games he plays. i still think if push came to shove he would be "ok" with a talking filibuster but gently caress if i know.
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InsertPotPun posted:so...why...why the "that's not infrastructure!!" squealing?? like...it doesn't have to be infrastructure so who cares? it's like saying "that's not gardening!!" It's so they can say "DEMS ARE LYING WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE DOING INFRASTRUCTURE". Same reason they're making GBS threads out their eyes about Will Call requiring photo ID, or MLB moving one game to Colorado and "hurting minorities". It's just a way to frame whatever they're doing as Bad Somehow.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i dont think he will vote against the infrastructure or popular poo poo like that. but he will make alot of noise about it. i hate the loving games he plays. i still think if push came to shove he would be "ok" with a talking filibuster but gently caress if i know.
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FlamingLiberal posted:So far he hasn't single-handedly torpedoed anything so I tend to agree that I think he's just going to make noise and then vote for it when push comes to shove yeah. idk about the filibuster though i remain hopeful for some reform. it does sound like we can do a bunch of infastructure poo poo and probably other poo poo through a couple reconciliations. anyway yeah, manchin will make loud noises but he will go for it if he knows he will be the only/second only dem against it. dude isnt stupid.
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Mr Interweb posted:because infrastructure, at least thus far, hasn't been demonized and is considered good and popular by normal people. by complaining that it's not an infrastructure bill, they're trying to make voters think it's not going toward fixing roads but obamaphones and crack money instead. the obvious response seems to be "so?" in much the same tone of voice you would use if your friend pointed out someone wearing a baseball cap. and there just doesn't seem to be an actual answer.
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InsertPotPun posted:yeah, no that part i get. the "why" is always really clear. i just don't get how the attack is supposed to be effective. if it doesn't HAVE to be "for infrastructure" then who cares that the money isn't being used "for infrastructure"? Of course it's completely nonsensical. It's just fodder for Fox News editorializing about how those Dastardly Tax-and-Spend Democrats are at it again and they can all pretend to be upset.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. idk about the filibuster though i remain hopeful for some reform. it does sound like we can do a bunch of infastructure poo poo and probably other poo poo through a couple reconciliations. anyway yeah, manchin will make loud noises but he will go for it if he knows he will be the only/second only dem against it. dude isnt stupid. It sounds like the Democrats are teeing up a reconciliation bill for Immigration Reform after Infrastructure is done. There will obviously be limitations, but they seem to think they can carve out paths to citizenship and other big reforms via reconciliation. Going to be a really racist couple a weeks during that vote-a-rama. https://www.rollcall.com/2021/04/07/democrats-weigh-reconciliation-bill-for-immigration-action/
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It's going to be hilarious that Trump desperately wanted "infrastructure week" but could never get it, but Biden's on track to getting it. I wonder if it will get Trump out of jealousy (envy?) to turn harder on Senate GOP.
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InsertPotPun posted:yeah, no that part i get. the "why" is always really clear. i just don't get how the attack is supposed to be effective. if it doesn't HAVE to be "for infrastructure" then who cares that the money isn't being used "for infrastructure"? I feel like there's an awfully common tactic among people on the right, or people who live in a fantasy bubble in general, where they'll defend some ground that far out in advance of the actual vulnerable position, just because it helps wear you down. Like someone who's complaining about covid and saying it's not real. "Oh, you knew someone who died? I'll bet they had some preexisting conditions or something!" And my reaction isn't "SO WHAT IF THEY DID,  the flu doesn't kill half a fuckin million people in this country alone and WITH all the restaurants shut down and everyone wearing masks". It's "Daaahhhh no they didn't"It weakens your own line of attack by throwing you off and making you shift your footing (or at least mine because I'm poo poo at arguing in person). But it's the same with this infrastructure stuff I think. They know it's more visceral to yell about "They said THIS and now they're doing THAT!!!" and if you're going to defend against it, you find yourself saying "But but but yeah but here's why wasn't a lie!!!" instead of "So the gently caress what, we're spending money on good things that we badly need, wanna tell me why elder care is bad? Huhhh??" It's that LBJ thing about calling someone a pigfucker, in a way.
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Mr Interweb posted:i'm sure you all will be shocked by this poll This is straight up just a list of how much of a percentage a Trump voter considers those groups as people.
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Handsome Ralph posted:I think the more disheartening thing here is he's also telegraphing "Oh, I don't care for reconciliation either.". From his piece: quote:I simply do not believe budget reconciliation should replace regular order in the Senate. How is that good for the future of this nation? Senate Democrats must avoid the temptation to abandon our Republican colleagues on important national issues. Republicans, however, have a responsibility to stop saying no, and participate in finding real compromise with Democrats. This is consistent with where Manchin has been all year. It matches March 7th quote:When asked if he would support using reconciliation, Manchin said only if the regular process requiring 60 votes fails. And it matches his insistence on Biden's White House summit with Collins and her loving gang before he'd commit on ARP, even after reconciliation. This would be more concerning if the GOP had demonstrated an ability to bring a single viable alternative in the past 2 years but they haven't. (notwithstanding Q4's clean check rhetoric that encouraged some folks who know better to advocate for FYGMing the unemployed to get their checks) It would be more concerning if there were even 5 GOP senators who'd go for a weakened version of ARP or infrastructure that most of the Dems would accept as "Better than nothing". There haven't been. Dapper_Swindler posted:i dont think he will vote against the infrastructure or popular poo poo like that. but he will make alot of noise about it. i hate the loving games he plays. i still think if push came to shove he would be "ok" with a talking filibuster but gently caress if i know. Data Graham posted:But it's the same with this infrastructure stuff I think. They know it's more visceral to yell about "They said THIS and now they're doing THAT!!!" and if you're going to defend against it, you find yourself saying "But but but yeah but here's why wasn't a lie!!!" instead of "So the gently caress what, we're spending money on good things that we badly need, wanna tell me why elder care is bad? Huhhh??"  KENNEDY CENTER BAILOUT), and we saw Blackburn pratfall on it in December. They're trying for "look at all this money Dems are spending on stupid trivial nonsense instead of on the warm and fuzzy thing they say they're spending it on" That, sadly, catches well in the media when it's the mating habits of nocturnal mites in active lava flows. Less so when it's broadband internet after the year we've just had. Build Back Better, despite my  , makes for a natural pivot anytime someone asks about if whateverthefuck is really infrastructure.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:What stage of the Manchin cycle are we at Liberals continue to prove how absolutely worthless they are. Excited to see all the news articles talking about how if only we were wonky enough to understand the process instead of condemning this rear end in a top hat. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Liberals continue to prove how absolutely worthless they are. Excited to see all the news articles talking about how if only we were wonky enough to understand the process instead of condemning this rear end in a top hat.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Liberals continue to prove how absolutely worthless they are. Excited to see all the news articles talking about how if only we were wonky enough to understand the process instead of condemning this rear end in a top hat. What does this have to do with liberals? The article is just about Manchin, and Manchin has done this song and dance before.
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The Manchin/Sinema risk I do still see is getting a halfassed and inadequate bipartisan minimum wage increase through normal processses. I suspect there's 60 votes for $11-$12/hr phased in over 5+ years, even losing Bernie, Warren, Brown and their ilk. I don't imagine any of the Dems who want more would deny cloture even if they'll vote against it. Which sucks. A lot.
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FizFashizzle posted:Wrong huge piece of poo poo; it was Hitchens. I'm definitely not a fan of Dawkins, but this makes a lot more sense that it was Hitchens 
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Paracaidas posted:From his piece: I guess that kinda tracks, though the op-ed gives me the feeling this is less him doing his usual bit of kayfabe and more him being a shitter. Hope to be wrong but it feels a little more forceful than when he did a similar song and dance prior to the stimulus package getting passed.
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It's cancel culture gone rampant! That's it, "cancel culture" and not the free market at work, lulz https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1379982103996035073?s=20
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Young Freud posted:It's cancel culture gone rampant! That's it, "cancel culture" and not the free market at work, lulz Holy poo poo. I've seen like three clips bouncing around the past couple days and its just the cruelest, least-charismatic poo poo I've ever seen. I'm surprised they didn't just keep it going to own the libs.
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Handsome Ralph posted:I guess that kinda tracks, though the op-ed gives me the feeling this is less him doing his usual bit of kayfabe and more him being a shitter. Hope to be wrong but it feels a little more forceful than when he did a similar song and dance prior to the stimulus package getting passed. The better question would be why the gently caress does he have to come out and constantly do this song and dance where he threatens the democratic agenda? Who the gently caress is he doing it for?
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Flopsy posted:The better question would be why the gently caress does he have to come out and constantly do this song and dance where he threatens the democratic agenda? Who the gently caress is he doing it for? Voters in West Virginia, presumably.
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Young Freud posted:It's cancel culture gone rampant! That's it, "cancel culture" and not the free market at work, lulz Vic Berger is an internet prankster, not a journalist.
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Deteriorata posted:Voters in West Virginia, presumably. And stymieing infrastructure makes them happy how? It's just him and Sinema constantly have to go out and make everything loving stressful. I'm just genuinely baffled why he's so fixated on getting republicans on board but making no effort to do so. Like who the hell has to have a sit down with him or this more mind games to get his dick hard?
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Flopsy posted:The better question would be why the gently caress does he have to come out and constantly do this song and dance where he threatens the democratic agenda? Who the gently caress is he doing it for? prolly capitol hill reporters so they stop asking him every single day
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Surely there is some amount of money fox could throw at comedy writers to get a good conservative funny show? Conservatives cannot be funny by definition. Punching down is never funny.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Surely there is some amount of money fox could throw at comedy writers to get a good conservative funny show? There was a good dissection of why, no they can't, a couple threads back I think but it was basically because all their hot humor topics are punching down or about being a huge dick.
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Flopsy posted:And stymieing infrastructure makes them happy how? It's just him and Sinema constantly have to go out and make everything loving stressful. I'm just genuinely baffled why he's so fixated on getting republicans on board but making no effort to do so. Like who the hell has to have a sit down with him or this more mind games to get his dick hard? West Virginia is pretty much the embodiment of conservative ideals these days. They don't want good things to happen to them, they don't want money pouring into their state, and they don't want their roads or schools fixed up. Because if any of that happened someone they don't like might benefit from it. It's bad enough that instead of sticking around to try and improve things, people who actually care and want to make things better just move to other states. Yet Manchin keeps managing to get elected anyway by doing the Manchin cycle, being hugely outspokenly conservative while actually voting solid blue almost all the time. And honestly it's perfectly fine to me if Manchin and Biden and the like keep talking about how much they want everything bipartisan if they keep ignoring it and passing progressive stuff anyway when it counts. It does make me laugh when people talk about bribing Manchin with earmarks to pour vast amounts of money into WV. His electorate doesn't want that and he'd lose the next election (although that's likely anyhow).
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Flopsy posted:And stymieing infrastructure makes them happy how? It's just him and Sinema constantly have to go out and make everything loving stressful. I'm just genuinely baffled why he's so fixated on getting republicans on board but making no effort to do so. Like who the hell has to have a sit down with him or this more mind games to get his dick hard? He's not actually stymieing anything right now. He's just talking, trying to thread the needle of being a Democrat without appearing to agree with Democrats on anything - until it comes time for a vote. Then suddenly he's all about reasonable compromises. He does this pretty regularly.
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